Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread
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@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
Ok let’s say this ALL together lol - -KEVIN IS NOT I repeat- - NOT COMING BACK - -there now don’t you feel better lol
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I think a million dollar reduction in salary is crazy high. Heck if they fired him he could probably collect better than that even if the U protested.
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For what it’s worth, I wonder if the freshmen will get a lot of play early to acclimatize themselves to KU ball and (later) AFH. There’s not much at stake in Puerto Rico and the exhibition game. It could build “team”. Then we see “the best of the best”. Thoughts?
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I know it’s not likely to happen, but it’d still argue that KJ needs to come off the bench. By the looks of Self’s offseason take charge attitude, I think he’s ready to move on from KJ as a starter.
Starters:
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- Timberlake
F- Mgbako
C- Dickinson
Rotation players
G- Jackson
wing/big - KJ
F- Marcus Adams
F- Udeh
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
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@Gorilla72 yeah I expect a VERY long bench in PR. Reduce the risks of getting anyone hurt
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I know it’s not likely to happen, but it’d still argue that KJ needs to come off the bench. By the looks of Self’s offseason take charge attitude, I think he’s ready to move on from KJ as a starter.
Starters:
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- Timberlake
F- Mgbako
C- Dickinson
Rotation players
G- Jackson
wing/big - KJ
F- Marcus Adams
F- Udeh
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
I think wee gonna see El Marko over Morris
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Well, that lock of getting MM was a bit off the mark! So, just like going into last year, i have concerns about 3 pt shooting with this roster.
Back to this lineup:
Starters
G- Dajuan Harris
G- Arterio Morris
F- Nicolas Timberlake (it’s all i can do to NOT call him Justin!)
F- KJ Adams (somebody has to play here)
C- Hunter Dickinson (better not be a freaking bust!)
Rotation players
G - Elmarko Jackson
Wing - Marcus Adams Jr.
Needed: A backup big
Deep Bench (we’ll see if they are deep, or less deep)
G- Chris Johnson
G- Jamari McDowell
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With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
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What quality 5 is going to come here and play less then 10 minutes a game?
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@jayballer67 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
Ok let’s say this ALL together lol - -KEVIN IS NOT I repeat- - NOT COMING BACK - -there now don’t you feel better lol
This didn’t age well.
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@RockkChalkk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
This didn’t age well.
Only one of many comments made with certainty. Not very fair to pick just this one! Remembering one from early March last year, for example…
It’s almost as if players’ free will adds some unpredictability to these things.
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@mayjay said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
It’s almost as if players’ free will adds some unpredictability to these things.
PHOF.
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@RockkChalkk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@jayballer67 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
Ok let’s say this ALL together lol - -KEVIN IS NOT I repeat- - NOT COMING BACK - -there now don’t you feel better lol
This didn’t age well.
LMAO - - -no it didn’t did it - - - and couldn’t be happier that it didn’t-- huge day for the Hawks
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@jayballer67 ha. Cheers buddy!
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@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@jayballer67 ha. Cheers buddy!
yes indeed - -great day – makes my day, Kevin is so solid, no great but really , really , really, good
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@BeddieKU23 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
What quality 5 is going to come here and play less then 10 minutes a game?
Grant Nelson in an ideal world, but beyond that not likely someone withdrawing from the draft, but someone coming up from a low major looking for more exposure even in limited minutes.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
Would think that with that line-up, opponents would pack the lane and take their chances on us making outside shots. One way to counter would be to have Dickinson play the high role where he can make shots and he is a good passer. Kevin or KJ could post up smaller guys.
And, I would also expect quite a few more line-up changes during a game than in the past year. I would be surprised to see both KJ and Hunter playing a lot of minutes together, given that KJ is really the only back up 5 option right now. At least if there are quick fouls on either. A lot depends on Marcus’ development, esp. if we don’t get a Nelson or similar.
But, at least we should be able to generate a lot more scoring from the bench than this year…
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I’m celebrating McCullars return. It’s way too early to bemoan shooting problems. These guys are working hard on their shooting, I’m sure. There will be positive surprises…
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
You’re not the only one. I would have preferred we landed a different player for that spot, but I do think this is still a salty lineup.
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McCullar is a class act. I don’t know if he balances out some of the character issues on the team, but he goes a long way towards bringing me back in the fold. I’m probably in the minority, but I’d rather take a moderately less talented guy with sterling character over the stereotypical a-hole blue chipper.
I do think you can win a championship with Kevin playing 35 minutes a game.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
How many KU games did you watch last year? You wouldn’t be saying that if you watched Kevin play.
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@Jethro said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
How many KU games did you watch last year? You wouldn’t be saying that if you watched Kevin play.
Ha. Watched em all Jethro, like i’ve done basically since the 80s. Last year was last year. We have basically a new team this year, and we need different skills.
I was hoping for a true, volume shooter to help space the floor, give us a chance at making some 3s next year. that’s all. Kevin is not that guy, but brings other skills. i appreciate his skills on defense, but he’s not a good fit for this team offensively IMO. that’s all.
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@dylans said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
McCullar is a class act. I don’t know if he balances out some of the character issues on the team, but he goes a long way towards bringing me back in the fold. I’m probably in the minority, but I’d rather take a moderately less talented guy with sterling character over the stereotypical a-hole blue chipper.
I do think you can win a championship with Kevin playing 35 minutes a game.
Hard to disagree. Seems like a strong character guy.
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I’m not going to get too hung up on whether Kev shoots 30 or 35% from 3. At his volume last year that difference would be… 15 points (he scored 364). He’s such an asset otherwise that those 15 are easily made up vs a sharpshooter who can’t guard, rebound, handle, or move without the ball like Kev.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I’m not going to get too hung up on whether Kev shoots 30 or 35% from 3. At his volume last year that difference would be… 15 points (he scored 364). He’s such an asset otherwise that those 15 are easily made up vs a sharpshooter who can’t guard, rebound, handle, or move without the ball like Kev.
I don’t put much stock in preseason computer rankings especially since they can’t really factor in coaching but Kevin’s return really moved the needle with some models that were down on KU. All these models had guys like Chris Johnson playing way to much however.
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@BShark no two ways about it, he fills our biggest need. We needed more skill from the 3/4 spot.
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The following my my guess of the rotation and minutes:
- Harris (32 mpg) / Morris (8)
- Morris (18 mpg) / Elmarko (11) / Timberlake (11)
- McCullar (23 mpg) / Timberlake (15) / Elmarko (2)
- KJ Adams (22 mpg) / Marcus Adams (9) / McCullar (9)
- Dickinson (32 mpg) / KJ Adams (8)
In games where we have foul trouble we will see Braun, McDowell, or Johnson get minutes as well.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Jethro said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
How many KU games did you watch last year? You wouldn’t be saying that if you watched Kevin play.
Ha. Watched em all Jethro, like i’ve done basically since the 80s. Last year was last year. We have basically a new team this year, and we need different skills.
I was hoping for a true, volume shooter to help space the floor, give us a chance at making some 3s next year. that’s all. Kevin is not that guy, but brings other skills. i appreciate his skills on defense, but he’s not a good fit for this team offensively IMO. that’s all.
We had 1 clutch player on this team last year. When you needed the dagger basket, you went to him, and he delivered. When we needed a stop, he found a way to deliver. WE weren’t even the same team when he wasn’t on the court- it was so obvious, it was ridiculous. He guarded the best player every freaking’ night. There were many game night chats on here when we marveled at his performance. The kid is just flat a winner. So, that’s why I asked if you’d actually seen a KU game last year. Because it’s hard for me to imagine you didn’t see that being a fan that “never misses a game”. Kevin McCullar was our best player last year, period.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Jethro said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
How many KU games did you watch last year? You wouldn’t be saying that if you watched Kevin play.
Ha. Watched em all Jethro, like i’ve done basically since the 80s. Last year was last year. We have basically a new team this year, and we need different skills.
I was hoping for a true, volume shooter to help space the floor, give us a chance at making some 3s next year. that’s all. Kevin is not that guy, but brings other skills. i appreciate his skills on defense, but he’s not a good fit for this team offensively IMO. that’s all.
You will see some different things from him this year. It’s going to be very fun to see what Bill tinkers up with Hunter. Hunter is not just a guy to dump it into down low. He is versatile. Kev is going to really be able to cut to the basket.
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There is a lot to be excited about but the excitement is rightly tempered by the need for some players to improve their shooting / expand their offensive toolbox in the off-season.
Juan needs to be a threat from deep. Can he become a 33% shooter from 3?
Kevin needs to be more consistent from three and be dependable for some mid-range shots that JWill delivered.
KJ also needs to deliver more points from mid-range. But he should be the one player who isn’t required to acquire a transformative skill. He can make a comfortable living off rebounds and tips with Hunter picking up a lot of inside scoring responsibility.
Speaking of Hunter — he can’t be a bust. I expect great things, but he’s a bit of an unknown until we see him play in the system. He has to score prolifically. Period.
The fifth is a wing. This is the position of highest uncertainty. Whoever it is needs to be a threat from deep — no less than 30% from 3. No one will replace Grady but this player has to make sure we aren’t longing for Grady.
So the question is not just if we have one guy that can be a deep threat (while holding all the usual defensive responsibilities, etc etc) but also, can two guys develop into a reliable threat as well?
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@bskeet Juan is career 39% from 3 so I’m guessing yes on that
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@bskeet Juan is career 39% from 3 so I’m guessing yes on that
Good point — I should say - needs to stay in the 33% range on much higher volume. And this will only get harder if there isn’t 1 or 2 other deep threats.
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Terio’s shooting form is excellent and he shot 41% down the stretch for Texas. He could be a breakout candidate.
@bskeet I’m very against KJ from midrange though. I think that’s bad offense and his shot is a hot mess. Junkyard dog role is perfect for him.
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Another update! Tex predicted this earlier in the thread. came true. I wouldn’t be surprised if he used Morris as our sixth man/spark plug, and put Elmarko in the lineup, surrounded by experience.
STARTING FIVE
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams (would prefer to see a shooting option here, but likely not happening with Self)
C- Dickinson
Bench
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
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Juan/Timberlake/Kev/KJ/Hunter as things sit imo
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I think it’s
Juan
Morris
Timberlake
Kevin
Hunter
If we get Nelson then one of Morris and Timberlake is out and I’m guessing Timberlake because the remy spark plug
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@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I think it’s
Juan
Morris
Timberlake
Kevin
Hunter
If we get Nelson then one of Morris and Timberlake is out and I’m guessing Timberlake because the remy spark plug
I think it will move to that later in the year but that Bill will try KJ as the starting 4 first.
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@BShark said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I think it’s
Juan
Morris
Timberlake
Kevin
Hunter
If we get Nelson then one of Morris and Timberlake is out and I’m guessing Timberlake because the remy spark plug
I think it will move to that later in the year but that Bill will try KJ as the starting 4 first.
you not thinking El Marko might break that starting line up ? - -I think he has a chance
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It’s gonna be Juan, Kev, KJ, Hunter and who cares
Edit: + whoever can rebound
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Juan, Elmarko, Kev, KJ, Hunter by end of season.
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@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Juan, Elmarko, Kev, KJ, Hunter by end of season.
Looking to win games 35-30 I see.
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@DanR said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
It’s gonna be Juan, Kev, KJ, Hunter and who cares
Edit: + whoever can rebound
Think it’s gonna be tough to get any of those 4 out of the starting line up.
Juan, Kev, and KJ could make the all bill self team for guys that “get it” whatever “it” is that makes self want to play guys.
Those guys with an actual big behind them that will allow them to be more aggressive guarding the ball and getting into passing lanes is going to be fun and create a fair bit of its own offense even if they can’t shoot.
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Juando/Morris/McCullar will be the best defensive guard trio in the country.
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@benshawks08 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@DanR said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
It’s gonna be Juan, Kev, KJ, Hunter and who cares
Edit: + whoever can rebound
Think it’s gonna be tough to get any of those 4 out of the starting line up.
Juan, Kev, and KJ could make the all bill self team for guys that “get it” whatever “it” is that makes self want to play guys.
Those guys with an actual big behind them that will allow them to be more aggressive guarding the ball and getting into passing lanes is going to be fun and create a fair bit of its own offense even if they can’t shoot.
Bill’s recruiting actions tell me otherwise with KJ. Contacting every available 4 man with a pulse lately. Now, we’ll see if he actually goes ahead and gets one.
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Ahahahaha ignore me. KJ will be playing massive minutes next year.
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@BShark you talking about this? https://twitter.com/jayhawkslant/status/1661797158272499714?s=46&t=PfvO214bW1XkHtm9eUlx9A
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I see we’re at the “Merv is a top 30 recruit” part of the offseason
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@benshawks08 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@BShark you talking about this? https://twitter.com/jayhawkslant/status/1661797158272499714?s=46&t=PfvO214bW1XkHtm9eUlx9A
Shay has me blocked.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I see we’re at the “Merv is a top 30 recruit” part of the offseason
Bill is making me consider cracking open a beer.
