Yahoo team ranking story says this about the Chiefs:

15 — The overreaction to the Chiefs’ season will be fierce. People have been dying to dunk on the NFL’s current dynasty, and now is their chance. No, the Chiefs don’t need a full rebuild. They just haven’t won close games. Kansas City is still the No. 7 team in DVOA this season after Sunday’s loss, ahead of teams like Denver, Buffalo, Philadelphia and New England. Haters will get in their licks now. Level-headed people will understand it’s just an unlucky season for a team that’s still good.

A friend had an alternate theory on DP that I hadn’t heard.

He’s simply bored with college ball.

I'm seeing Flory mentioned more and more in mock drafts this year.
Good for him. I still think he's way undersized (no freaking way he's 6-10), and needs more offensive game to have a consistent NBA career.
we can dream, right?

Yea, i listened to some of that Dickie V / Barkley game. Honestly, it's not about the game to them. They toss out a generic phrase about a player here and there, but generally not great to listen to. Dickie V is past tense as a broadcaster IMO.

Ha, seems like i'm the only one in this thread, but may as well keep myself entertained!

Well hmmmm. this got interesting.

The Titans are hiring 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh as their next head coach, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter.

Didn't see that Saleh was even in the equation. I think he should have stayed in SF as a coordinator, but where does that leave Nagy????

Just a reminder for some...you can cancel your ESPN+ subscription if ya want. We just have one more hoops game on Dec. 22, then that's it til football or hoops next year.

Holy smokes! $31M a year for Trent McDuffie!!

Chiefs for sure could not afford that price tag. wow.

Totally not a game-related comment ... but i think Gus Johnson and Jimmy Jackson are now my favorite announcing duo. Head and shoulders above the rest IMO. Excellent back and forth, with JJ providing solid insight.

Looks like the USA got a great group draw.

Paraguay, Australia and the winner of a three-team playoff.

The Australians aren’t a pushover, but all our games are winnable.

I hear others saying England is in the group of death, but I don’t see any really crazy groups.

wow! i had to DVR the game, and was just finishing it up ... with BYU making a furious comeback. and the freaking recording stopped with 1:27 left!! WTF!!!!
Didn't get to see the end. incredible. looks like we won though. Assuming DP didn't make a miraculous appearance at the end?

What makes y’all think he’s retiring? News I’m missing?

world cup!!!!

For lack of a better spot to put this...

Looks like the Big 12 just gained a great coach. Arizona State has hired a local guy to me: Randy Bennett from St. Mary's in California.

He's had a tremendous amount of success at St. Mary's, given it's a teeny tiny school. Maybe 2,500 students?

He's played with a small, shooting roster. He's played with a larger more plodding roster. He adjusts to his personnel.

Wish him luck, but not too much luck.

@BigBad said in Season in review: the players:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Season in review: the players:

Fair enough. Basically I’m simply offering a way to bitch about players to soothe our post season blues. Since these players are pros now, seems fair.

Does being paid somehow negate being young and dumb? Does it negate playing only one season under Coach Self, who always takes 2 years minimum to get the best out of guys?

I don’t understand what you’re asking.

This post is a simple way to discuss player performance. No nuance involved.

@approxinfinity said in Season in review: the players:

My issues arent with the players. The things I want to grade here are their usage, their growth, their pay. It feels very difficult to judge them as individual contributors in a meaningful way when their capacities are very much bounded by forces external to them.

That being said I would probably give each of them an extra point over your ratings if judging how they handled their season.

Fair enough. Basically I’m simply offering a way to bitch about players to soothe our post season blues. Since these players are pros now, seems fair.

I think the “growth” category is the big issue you’re personally having with Self. Most saw no growth, and actually performed worse as the season progressed. Flory is better than last year, but we can see his flaws and kryptonite.

Usage: another Self issue.

As far as i can tell, the schools can "revenue share" in any way then want though, right?

I poked around and couldn't find any limits on structure. Who knows. it's all wrapped in a riddle.

But 100% against paying em all the same. Ya get what you can, tis the American way. All that being said, i HATE this entire pay system. Way out of control. It'll be a death blow to college sports at some point.

Agreed. I just thought he was wimpy going to the rim. too many wild, gangly layup attempts.

Let's take a look at how we feel the players performed this year. I'll start us off with a few. Feel free to offer your own ratings here if you'd like. My grades could for sure be skewed as my mood is crap right now!

My two cents:

Darryn Peterson

Averages: 20 pts / 4 rebounds / 1.7 assists ( a shockingly low 38 assists on the year. wow) / 60 3pts made

Performance: This is a tough one. Generally his numbers are more than good for a freshman. I argue he did very little to next to nothing to make the players around him better. Ya have to add his health issues to the overall as a big negative, both for him and the team.

Score: 7 out of 10

Melvin Council

Averages: 12 pts / 5 rebounds / 5 assists / 36 3pts made

Performance: Seemingly a team leader. Fan favorite with his "dawg" PR movement. Bonus points for that. Generally a weak scorer. Needed to be more dominant offensively more than he was. Had a pretty bad end of season run. Defense seemed strong, at least the effort seemed there mostly. I'd prefer Self get guards who can take over games in all aspects (sherron, graham, etc).

Score: 7 out of 10 / End of season run lowers grade.

Tre White

Averages: 13.8 pts / 6.7 rebounds / 1.7 assists / 56 3pts made

Performance: He probably deserves a better grade than i wanna give him. Except for a few games during the regular season, he was a consistent scorer, hit the boards, defended. But he was crap in post season games. Big demerit for a very experienced player. My two cents: He's soft as hell when near the rim. Weak. Go straight at it, get a foul instead of these 360 up and unders he constantly tried.

Score: 6.5 out of 10 / I understand his stats alone say he should grade better.

I may add a few at some point.

@kjayhawks2.0 said in Kansas vs St Johns:

@crimsonblu22 I’m hearing everyone but Mari and Elmarko are being shopped hard by their agents. Trying to get max pay days. Dook is supposedly offering over 3 mill for Flory alone.

Stupid if ya don't in this era, huh. it is what it is now. times have changed

Not so fun wth the box score...

this one can't entirely be judged on the box score. unless they added a mental mistake category.

3 PT SHOTS

KU -- 5-14

SJU -- 11-35

Pretty much the most glaring stat. We challenged them to shoot, and they made enough to win.

INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCES

Council -- he did what he had to in the major stats: 15 pts, 9 boards, 4 assists. but an ugly to watch 5 TOs.

Bryson -- 0 points, 5 boards. Think he'll be better in years to come? not sure what his go to way to score is yet.

Mbiya -- more boards than Flory in less than half the minutes.

Elmarko -- will be remembered for that last play

Tre -- 4 pts, 5 boards, 3 assists, 3 TOs. we needed him to score.

DP -- 21 with some i guess questionable shot selections. but somebody has to shoot!

REBOUNDS

KU -- 44

SJU -- 36

Nicely done. going in i thought we matched up well to compete on the boards.

TURNOVERS

KU -- 16

SJU -- 8

no bueno.

BLOCKS

KU -- 9

SJU -- 3

Also nicely done.