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Looked like that user was responsible for the chinese spam. Not sure whether it was intentional or not, but i felt I had to put a lid on it.

Silvio is quite the lightning rod. All the talk in the press seems to be about him rather than the K-State players. This is not fair.

It is definitely his fault for taunting after the block. The technical foul was fair. But the physical altercation was instigated and escalated by K-State players-- multiple individuals.

In the video, what I see is KState players running to confront Silvio. One of them pushes him. I see Silvio brush that push away and another player pushes him and he begins to push away and back at the same time (look closely-- his hands are not clenched; they are open to deflect the aggressors.)

There are at least two pushing him, maybe three. Meanwhile, everyone around Silvio is telling him to stop because they are all KU fans. It looks to me like he’s trying to not over-react for a couple of seconds while the K-State players have no one holding them back. Then the third guy lunges and pushes Silvio down and he comes up swinging.

I think it’s important to look at Silvio’s body language in those early moments. He is not trying to fight at first. He gets provoked and then all hell breaks loose. The stool incident I see as an instinctive act… and one that he fortunately is able to overcome with help of those around him.

Silvio is justifiably being called out. But he should not be singled out. The players from K-State who were responsible for the escalation and the first physical acts should be equally called out.

As is often the case when there is great disparity between two forces, the smaller power can’t win with the traditional rules, so they resort to guerrilla tactics to get the bigger power to do something uncharacteristic. Silvio bit on the bait.

No one who is here is a fair-weather fan. I appreciate that.

Everyone on this site during the season has followed the team with its incredible comebacks and it’s painful letdown losses.

Today was very disappointing, and we fans are going to have to endure a lot of grief from giddy, over-zealous WSU fans for a long long time.

I appreciate being a part of a community of fellow fans who appreciate the team and carve time out of their schedule to share thoughts and emotions with each other.

Have a great off-season, and Rock Chalk.

Paul Pierce in a post-game interview sounding like a coach…

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12055979/paul-pierce-says-washington-wizards-improve-defensive-habits

“You can learn a lot of lessons from losses, but you also learn lessons from winning,” Pierce said. “Hopefully we have better urgency on defense as this stretch comes up. We got Phoenix, Chicago, and of course New York and then our [Western Conference] trip. So we got to build better habits before this trip.”

For just a moment, I wondered what if Pierce was an assistant to Self in a few years… hmmmm.

When will this team be properly referenced as:

KUSA

This was the most impressed I’ve been by an opponent since Durant.

Congratulations B. Hield! The dude totally earned my respect with a special performance in a game for the ages.

Just imagine if Duke had secured their 13th straight conference title…

The 30minute preview show leading up to the game would have been a retrospective…

We would be watching the 5 part series tonight – it would already be in the can, ready for broadcast – built from the materials they started developing 8 years ago when the streak was 5 games long and they already deemed it the single greatest accomplishment in sports history. Interviews with the players over the years… and interviews with coaches…

Think I’m exaggerating? If Grayson Allen had tripped someone tonight, there would be a special report tomorrow and a special piece on Duke’s struggles ready for the weekend games.

https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1072161035400986624

The chart shown here will captivate you for a long, long time.

But this is just another piece of evidence that reinforces what a HOFer Bill Self is.

He is world class.

We witnessed a historic year in Kansas Basketball. It didn’t end exactly the way we wanted, but we’ll look back on this year as a watershed moment – HC Bill Self named to the HOF, Frank Mason III named POY (first in KU history), tying the NCAA record for consecutive conference championships (13) and setting the NCAA record for consecutive appearances in the Tournament (28), among other things.

I believe next year will be tough for us because expectations have been set at an extremely high level - without achieving the FF/NC goals.

In particular, our PG next year (and for many years to come) will be compared to Frank. Whoever takes over the PG role next year will be in a tough position. We now know great PG play when we see it. Anything less will be disappointing but less is almost certain.

So this is just a precautionary note to manage those ‘sky-is-falling’ feelings next year when they come. It will feel natural to pick apart the guard play and backcourt, but that’s because 2016-17 was the new benchmark for excellence.

Wish the Big 12 was a leader, but it’s a follower. Interesting to see the conferences that are leading (Big 10 and Pac12.) My guess is that the ACC will side with them and the Big12 and SEC are the two pushing to play no matter what.

I also think they will eventually conclude that it isn’t worth the risk of conducting a very public experiment with student athletes’ lives when the peer conferences have decided against it.

I don’t want to go backwards! Let’s just skip forward to the happy ending! (there is a happy ending, right?)

@FarmerJayhawk “Weird” ballots are good. It sends a message to the parties (not the same message as voting for a 3rd party candidate, but similar) and it doesn’t ‘throw a vote away’.

I have always voted like that. I like to think it means I’m voting for “the person” and I don’t subsume values that perfectly align down party lines.

@kjayhawks said in The "crap on Trump" thread:

Edit: I’ve also heard Biden say more racist things than Trump.

I don’t know what to say to this.

We are certainly NOT hearing or seeing the same things.

I’m not going to defend Biden. I already said there is plenty of reasons to be apprehensive about Biden.

But my decision will be based on Trump’s body of work. And, taking that into account, a banana peel has more integrity, is more qualified to perform the duties of the presidency and is less dangerous — even if you are running with forks — than Trump.

I mean, c’mon! He’s botched this whole pandemic and recovery stimulus and made the US look more inept than most 3rd world countries. The resulting health costs are going to be ginormous… and the national debt which has soared, is going to take a century of sacrifice to reconcile.

Glad you have recovered! Sounds like you’ve had a brush with covid or at least a scary relative.

You were wise to wear a mask in December. The early guidance was that they did no good. Of course, things are different, now.

I think a recent model that showed that if 90% would wear masks, the infection rate would drop dramatically (assuming there is safe distancing and no gatherings).

Totally agree that not all people are wearing masks. The people of this country who are not participating in this are doing the country harm. Ironically, many are doing so in the name of freedom.

I don’t think we should abandon practices that are known to be effective just because there are some misguided people refusing to be responsible.

Racially insensitive:

• Biden: Occasionally makes comments that suggest he is racially insensitive
• Trump: Repeatedly makes insensitive and incendiary comments and voices support for racist groups.

Inappropriate sexual advances:

• Biden: Has been accused by one person
• Trump: Boasted about grabbing pu**y in an interview on live radio, numerous video and photographic evidence including his association with Jeffrey Epstein, not to mention numerous allegations from business women to prostitutes.

Call me crazy, but I’m going to go with Biden if we keep dredging up this kind of stuff about Biden.

There are plenty of other things that are not great about Biden. But we’re talking many degrees of magnitude between these two humans. One is like a hand grenade and the other is like 2750 tons of ammonium nitrate.

@Marco

The data I’m looking at shows 162.4k deaths in the US. Yesterday there were an additional 1100 deaths. here is my source: Domo Coronavirus tracker

My concern is the latency between the number of cases and the deaths. The number of deaths is creeping up right now from a nadir in late june/early july. #of Deaths lag the # of cases curve by about a month or so.

Right now, the number of cases is starting to drop from the peak in mid-July. Even now, the number of cases is double the previous peak in early April.

Based on this, I would expect to see a surge in the number of deaths by the end of August to align with the surge in cases.

A couple of caveats: 1) In March and April, testing was much less available, so the number of cases recorded probably is a significant underrepresentation of the actual number of cases at that time. 2) Doctors have learned a lot since April and that should lead to more effective treatment that may reduce the death rate.

A reduction in the death rate sounds good. But I’m assuming that there will be more “recoveries” like the 42-year-old woman in Lawrence (a triathlete) who still has significant symptoms five months after her “recovery”. Also, as, doctors extend the life of patients who eventually die, the shape of the death rate curve will change.

It is true, the infirm have a greater risk of death from this as do certain minorities and those with comorbidity. The fact is this: ANYONE, regardless of age, heritage or health can contract Covid and there is no understanding of why some people have a more serious case than others. And to be sure, we will learn a lot fast if we decide to engage in a social experiment that puts all the kids back in classrooms together in August. Just not sure what the cost of such an experiment will be.

I don’t know how to put a value on 1 persons life, let alone 100k or 200k. The number of deaths today-- whether characterized as a lot or a few – are the result of 6 months of occasionally-aggressive efforts to limit the spread. So, it’s fair to say that if we stop those efforts, the infections and the deaths will increase. Will it double or triple or quadruple? I don’t know. But instead of 1000 people dying a day, there will be many more.

People are being asked to do two simple things: 1) avoid crowds and practice safe distancing and 2) wear masks when they are in the presence of others (beyond their family ‘bubble’). To me, that isn’t too much to ask.

Sadly, there seems to be a slice of the population to which inconvenience is anathema and another slice of the population that is dismissive or in disbelief of the risks of the virus, largely because they have been blessed not to have first hand experience – that is, they don’t know someone who has become ill.

It is disturbing to me that some are so self-centered, short-sighted, and selfish.

Anyway, the economy is NOT “shut down”. It is dampered.

Some people are working remotely. Those that cannot are finding ways to work safely. They just need ALL consumers to reciprocate with responsible behavior. If there were NO efforts to mitigate the virus, the economy would most certainly shut down because we would have a health catastrophe.

The effect of the current restrictions on businesses is lumpy – some are near death, some are thriving and the majority are somewhere in between. I have a friend who owns a pizza business that says business is back to within 10% of what it was pre-pandemic. It is tenuous, and uncertain, but certainly not “shut down”. That’s in Santa Clara County California, where there are lots of restrictions.

TLDR:

My opinion: Controlling the spread of the virus is the fastest way to regain and sustain consumer confidence.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk did you watch his video? He explained why he did it, I understand what you mean, but I also was trying to get why he did it that way. It had to do w/population being so small in the no mask counties and he was doing it per 100,000. 1/3 pop. 90 counties were unmasked, 2/3 pop masks, 15 counties. I wrote that down because I was confused. He also started graph about a week after mandate cause nothing shows up then.

I watched the video before I saw this thread with keen interest as it suggested compelling evidence that masks are effective. And when he explained that the blue line had a different scale than the red line and that the key was to focus on the trend lines, I let out a deep sigh. I get it, but he’s got to know that approach can be interpreted as deceptive.

It’s a bad graphic that opens him up to questions of objectivity… and undermines his message. Did they do that to make the “mask mandate” counties look better or was it to create a more compact graph or some other reason?

@FarmerJayhawk did it right. In his chart, the evidence is still compelling and accurate.

@Texas-Hawk-10

My 2 cents on this trope about the media:

“The Media” is an easy and popular target. Such a blanket statement suggests that there is a collective effort across all media that is akin to conspiracy theory. I don’t think such a statement is productive or accurate.

Yes: there are some shi**y sites out there that are pushing agendas. On the other side of this teeter-totter are some government agencies which have been actively trying to downplay the severity to the point of manipulating information to deceive people. (See Georgia’s charts about a month ago). Let’s just call that lying.

Yes, the media has a conflict of interest because the business model rewards engagement, which is driven by content that is more sensational. And… ALSO… the individuals in government positions have conflict of interest to mollify and placate constituents, drive the economy and have harmony within their party.

We are all caught in the middle of an information battle.

What a person decides to believe should be done with prudence and analysis.

Scapegoating is the easy route. It’s easier and more convenient to believe “the media” is to blame or “the liberals” are to blame or “the conservatives” are to blame or “the Chinese”… etc. etc… But that’s a dangerous path to take.

The messy truth is we all face the difficult task of sort through a noisy information landscape to find the best approximation for the truth that we can from the high-quality news outlets that work hard to be fair and objective and the officials who are working to serve their constituents in good faith.

@kjayhawks

What’s your source?

Here’s what I found from the CDC: Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.**

**Estimated global mortality associated with the first 12 months of 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1 virus circulation: a modelling study

So, the way I read this, the highest estimate of global deaths is 575k (not greater than 600k). And that estimate covers a 12 month period.

By contrast, COVID19 is around 700k in less than 12 months.