DoubleDD said:

ouch man what a terrible way to end the season

Not even close…that woulda been against penn or seton hall

kjayhawks said:

I said earlier in the week we shouldn’t help and switch everything because I’d rather make them hit tough 2s than open 3s. They flatout had more talent and athleticism than we did. It would’ve took a perfect game to win.

Agree with this as well.

A hall of fame high school coach I know always said you win by making the one or two guys who never score 30 have to in order to beat you.

Meaning let booth and their other least productive shooter have open shots every single time. If you’re guarding them you help on ever drive and let booth not make 5 threes but heck 7 or 8 because I bet he can’t. Whoever the weakest two players on the floor are you always let them shoot. Do everything u can to guard other guys. What u get is guys shooting who mentally know their role isn’t to do more than chip in 10-15 a night and when left open freeze

It’s Vick against uw at sprint

@BigBad Charlie isn’t better than anyone we’ve had. He can’t beat me off the dribble he’s a streaky volume shooter not the answer just stop gap in case we missed on recruiting

Love love love Dotson quickest cat…will remind everyone of mason

Needs to chuck 1000 threes a day in the offseason

Grimes is tyler Dorsey on steroids

Romeo we have to have if Vick leaves otherwise we are gonna struggle

@BShark

Exactly let Garrett shoot During our run he chucks two wide open threes as Wright wants.

Make guys who aren’t “the guy” beat you

kjayhawks said:

They left Garrett open on purpose no doubt but I didn’t mind him trying to help get us back in, Malik missed a good look and Svi missed a shot at the rim with Garrett’s 2 3 points misses that would’ve cut it to 7 there with about 8 to go when actually got a few stops. What makes them hard to gaurd on night like tonight is they had 6 guys hit atleast 2 3s and a 7th hit one. Their starting 5 man went 4-5 from distance. No college team I’ve seen in recent memory was gonna beat Nova tonight, know our luck they be icey against Michigan like they were vs TT and lose. Which I’ll be pulling for Michigan anyway.

I minded him shooting. Played right into what nova wanted. Garrett is like Doke if it isn’t s layup or dunk it isn’t going in.

His job is drive and kick to an open shooter

@BigBad Mitch isn’t the answer man. He’d give up more rebounds than we already have

Someone give me a 3 reputation so I don’t have to wait every 2 minutes to post this is stupid

Garrett shouldn’t be shooting. Go work on your J. Bill shouldn’t play him now as we need our best offense players and pray novs misses when we are on D

Yes, inside out ball is gone it’s 6-8 to 6-11 bigs with guard skills. Dukes guys played 4 around one

Thanks for people upvoting me I appreciate it

@BeddieKU23 exactly…only hope is they shoot like they did in the sweet 16…except nova will run them off the line and just trade 3’s for 2’s. Except they will be off from 3 and only win by 10.

Attempted less threes than nova has made. Turning them down to make post entry passes. Bill reverted Wanted it for doke and his Mom also believes the game is inside out. He’s right but also wrong. It’s inside out with dribble penetration not post up and kick it out. Nova and any team will play doke straight up he only has 1 move

@BeddieKU23 Mitch showing why he can’t even play in this game…whoever kept begging for it earlier hopefully know has their eyes open. Mitch is our Connie teahan only plays because self missed on great d-1 guys.

@approxinfinity I mean if we are gonna keep playing through the post then might as well have a guy like Delgado who can get 20/20.

@Oldmanhawk I wouldn’t trade Bill for any other coach on this planet not even Pop from the Spurs. I’m pointing out he is not infallible and his error in what he values puts a ceiling on the team.

Think Mahomes playing his rookie year versus Alex Smith who had a great year his last year here. We aren’t going into foxboro with smith leading us same but if Mahomes had played or played all year who knows.

Calipari (albeit an awful x’s and o’s coach) let’s new guys develop not ONLY in practice but games is my emphasis.

Again - don’t want anyone but Bill but pointing out how he puts a ceiling on this team which matters in March. Give me a few losses now against Bama or whoever so we can excel with experienced freshman or transfers when it matters.

He’s the man, he’s stubborn, he likes it done his way and yet we’ve underachieved a lot. If it weren’t for the Mario Miracle he’d be viewed very differently dare we say the greatest to never win it all.

Bill wants you to “prove it in practice” and “be in the right spot” all the time even if the player performing this doesn’t have the ability to stop the other team.

I hate nothing more than the, “you don’t see what the coaches see in practice everyday”. You’re right I don’t but you know what I do see? The games where it matters most. You know what you can’t simulate with practice??? A game…the game is where you can get the most out of judging a player.

You can play 8 on 5 all week preparing for WV’s or Lville’s press but it won’t be the same when the lights come one.

This is all what is wrong with Bill Self.

The following comments are not knocks on players directly but on player evaluation.
Reed and Morningstar over EJ (remember VCU check those stats)…meanwhile the next year EJ and Tyshawn lead us to a final 4.

Traylor over countless guys.

Now it is Harris over Bobby and Mitch over Clemence.

Bobby performed almost better than Harris in half the minutes and Clemence as well. Oh and Harris will never score 32 in USC…but Joe must not “know the offense” so definitely don’t try to practice in a game against Tarleton State with all these guys.

Oh but wait “Clemence was a bad matchup” oh really then maybe that’s a good spot to see how he does or let him learn in game while we still win by 20 - moving his feet guarding smaller players??? Oh he performed bad in practice all week you didn’t see it. Everyone knows teams who practice poor for a week then go play well and teams that practice great and go get blown out. Guess Dave should have sat too then.

Bill is stunting this team just like he does every year and it’s getting old.

Harris will cause teams to do what Bill did to UNC when they didn’t have Kendall Marshall playing 5 on 4.

Our best KU teams are when every player can score…maybe Bill forgot how basketball worked?

Give Bobby and Joe Harris’ minutes and watch what happens to our ceiling. Give Clemence - Mitch’s minutes and we will bring back the Morrii top of the key 3 like you’ve never seen.

Or go rack up another 25 wins 1 seed and Elite 8 flame out to an athletic team like Memphis.

Oh and how could we forget right…Frank Mason albeit a freshman on the bench as we played Tharpe who was brutal and then who almost saved us against Stanford…yeah Conner Frankamp. Wonder what that season would have looked like if Frank got 25-28 minutes a game since all we heard all year was “he’s so good in practice”…wait I thought that mattered Bill and once you get it in practice you get time in a game.

Oh no wait you gotta remember the “short leash” in the game from Bill can’t play through your mistakes go back to “practicing” it in “practice” again.

Lineup should be: Remy Bobby Och Wilson Dave

Bench in order: Joe Clemence Braun JCL Harris

See ya in March for the heartbreak - I rest my case.

betterfireE said:

Doke should have never started this game. This was obviously a game in which we needed to surprise and we did nothing. We played like scared little pussies giving them so much space along the arc.

I am really disappointed in Bill this time. I am not going to hide it. Yes, they hit a ton of threes but how many were open? Too many. And that is unacceptable. We didn’t put any pressure on ova defensively and gave them exactly what they were expecting. This was a a disaster. Someone tell me otherwise.

I’m disappointed to but we overachieved by a mile.

Honestly I had people saying we need to defend like nova in the gameday chat which I 100% agree with but the players did what Bill wanted defensively as his game plan was hope nova misses which is horrible.

That’s why I preached offense because defensively we haven’t been good all year. We may get a stop late sure but nothing continuous.

Offensively is what got us here and we needed to freely let it fly which we didn’t. Some of that nova and plenty of it self inflicted with “feed the post” to start.

kjayhawks said:

@Bwag I disagree, the lack of our guards being able to stop the dribble drive was the difference IMO. They drove, we helped and then they kicked out for a 3. Most teams won’t have 6 guys hit multiple 3s in one game. If I’m playing against us defensively, I know that I can prob get help off of Vick’s, Garrett’s and Dokes man if needed most the time. Having an athletic big that can help and hit 3s like Paschall was huge. We had no one that could help defensively that didn’t leave a shooter open as stated 6 guys hit multiple 3s and a 7th hit one.

We needed to not help out on the dribble drive essentially give them layups or floaters all game. They drive to kick not to usually score

kjayhawks said:

They left Garrett open on purpose no doubt but I didn’t mind him trying to help get us back in, Malik missed a good look and Svi missed a shot at the rim with Garrett’s 2 3 points misses that would’ve cut it to 7 there with about 8 to go when actually got a few stops. What makes them hard to gaurd on night like tonight is they had 6 guys hit atleast 2 3s and a 7th hit one. Their starting 5 man went 4-5 from distance. No college team I’ve seen in recent memory was gonna beat Nova tonight, know our luck they be icey against Michigan like they were vs TT and lose. Which I’ll be pulling for Michigan anyway.

I minded him shooting. Played right into what nova wanted. Garrett is like Doke if it isn’t s layup or dunk it isn’t going in.

His job is drive and kick to an open shooter

Duh big blank on my end with jre

He’s talented but more Wiggins in terms of attitude than josh Jackson unfortunately

BShark said:

@kuballin10 Actually by rankings Nova recruits on a slightly lower level than KU. They will sign guys in the 75-150 ranking range in the early period without hesitation. Wright has a good eye for evaluation and knowing who they can get.

One thing they all can do though is shoot

Bwag said:

@BShark I think Self needs to look at using his depth and experimenting with various ways of playing.

Hope Doke stays and we develop both Hi-Lo and 4 guard offense.

Like to see us show more accountability on defense and have a lock down and flexible defensive strategy used.

I’m afraid we will be decent at both but not great at one or the other which is the issue.

He just said his talk of live by the three die by the three wouldn’t apply tonight

Go figure

@BShark

Exactly let Garrett shoot During our run he chucks two wide open threes as Wright wants.

Make guys who aren’t “the guy” beat you

BShark said:

kuballin10 said:

@Bwag kids love chucking the threes so it’s great to continually force them to drive

Both sides need adjusting without a doubt

Your point for accountability based on quick hooks affecting recruiting and development is also another bill short coming

On one hand Self has completely broken players like Bragg. Otoh you have success stories like Russ Rob and Newman.

He’s been…getting better about it I think. Next year will be more of a test. Lots of options.

Recruiting was excellent this year after the shit show in 2017 so hopefully it continues. Some legitimately good ins the next two classes including but not limited to: a top 30 guard whose mom went to HS with Jerrance Howard, a top 30 guard whose dad played for Self at Tulsa, a top 50 wing who had multiple family members graduate from KU (including mom), Ttp 40 guard in Topeka, top 25 modern post player from KC whose dad went to KU etc…

Modern guy is n’faly, and Topeka is Harvey

Who’s the other ones?