DoubleDD said:

ouch man what a terrible way to end the season

Not even close…that woulda been against penn or seton hall

kjayhawks said:

I said earlier in the week we shouldn’t help and switch everything because I’d rather make them hit tough 2s than open 3s. They flatout had more talent and athleticism than we did. It would’ve took a perfect game to win.

Agree with this as well.

A hall of fame high school coach I know always said you win by making the one or two guys who never score 30 have to in order to beat you.

Meaning let booth and their other least productive shooter have open shots every single time. If you’re guarding them you help on ever drive and let booth not make 5 threes but heck 7 or 8 because I bet he can’t. Whoever the weakest two players on the floor are you always let them shoot. Do everything u can to guard other guys. What u get is guys shooting who mentally know their role isn’t to do more than chip in 10-15 a night and when left open freeze

It’s Vick against uw at sprint

@BeddieKU23 I want to agree but recent history is we don’t and we don’t have the horses this year playing what Bill expected (Dave).

@benshawks08 @drgnslayr agreed if 1,2 and 4 happen 11-7 goes to 13-4 in my mind real quick.

Jalen was so good to start last year and he’s been awful shooting the ball this year. I didn’t know it was possible to be that bad after last year he shot it fine.

Dave is the mystery if he could have some confidence it’d help. He was right in the middle of the huddle locked on coach at the end of the game that he wasn’t even in. That’s solid character really hope he succeeds.

@BigBad Charlie isn’t better than anyone we’ve had. He can’t beat me off the dribble he’s a streaky volume shooter not the answer just stop gap in case we missed on recruiting

Love love love Dotson quickest cat…will remind everyone of mason

Needs to chuck 1000 threes a day in the offseason

Grimes is tyler Dorsey on steroids

Romeo we have to have if Vick leaves otherwise we are gonna struggle

@BShark

Exactly let Garrett shoot During our run he chucks two wide open threes as Wright wants.

Make guys who aren’t “the guy” beat you

kjayhawks said:

They left Garrett open on purpose no doubt but I didn’t mind him trying to help get us back in, Malik missed a good look and Svi missed a shot at the rim with Garrett’s 2 3 points misses that would’ve cut it to 7 there with about 8 to go when actually got a few stops. What makes them hard to gaurd on night like tonight is they had 6 guys hit atleast 2 3s and a 7th hit one. Their starting 5 man went 4-5 from distance. No college team I’ve seen in recent memory was gonna beat Nova tonight, know our luck they be icey against Michigan like they were vs TT and lose. Which I’ll be pulling for Michigan anyway.

I minded him shooting. Played right into what nova wanted. Garrett is like Doke if it isn’t s layup or dunk it isn’t going in.

His job is drive and kick to an open shooter

No foul!!! Braun got mauled on the dunk

@BShark box score watching checking points my point is he’s playing great D, all over the court and getting dunks and put backs. The O isn’t ran through him and he’s excelling playing aggressive while here he made 1 mistake and was yanked.

Only tcu last year he played well and go figure he had a huge leash with other guys out…played loose

It’s all on coach he berates then but doesn’t build them up. His shtick is getting old.

Porter Moser can coach

@benshawks08 @drgnslayr agreed if 1,2 and 4 happen 11-7 goes to 13-4 in my mind real quick.

Jalen was so good to start last year and he’s been awful shooting the ball this year. I didn’t know it was possible to be that bad after last year he shot it fine.

Dave is the mystery if he could have some confidence it’d help. He was right in the middle of the huddle locked on coach at the end of the game that he wasn’t even in. That’s solid character really hope he succeeds.

@benshawks08 correct I think it’s the worst team he’s had and without Ochai going off (similar to Vick) we’d be in trouble.

Braun is coming back to earth but it’s a hurt remy and awful Dave that’s killing us.

Also the poster above me outlined why 11-7 because people keep thinking “self will fix this” yet each year is a new year and self can’t play for the players he can only controls who plays. We don’t have the horses this year it’s evident.

@BeddieKU23 yeah I agree not sure where he should go spot wise (don’t care just get that money) just happy for him.

In the nba he’s your typical athletic 3 and D guy. Needs to work on his quickness still laterally and get better defensively but the tools are there. His stroke is so pure he should be a great off the bench guy who knocks down threes and gets that second contract.

@benshawks08 great questions and discussion.

I don’t think people don’t want KU to win the big 12 in hopes it’s better for the ncaa. What people say is play guys those early non con games and let them have a long leash to learn. Best learning is in game on the job think about any job you’ve had. You can practice and practice but until you’re in it you won’t learn the best from mistakes.

Goal is ncaa title always. Big 12 mini goal as a stepping stone.

14 games must be won We lose road games against top half of big 12 teams (Tech, Texas, Baylor, ou/isu) Must win - every single home game must hold serve at home. Self’s system with winning league (which is winning on the road always holds true because we have been so dominate at home). Must split with the top 4 teams I listed.

Texas Tech and Texas then OU-ISU are next up if not Baylor. We are right there with OU-ISU in my mind. If ISU could not turn it over so much they’d be even more dominate. They turn people over like crazy but are then just as careless with it. Need two ball handlers like we had in graham-mason.

11-7 is our final record Baylor-Tech-UT (unless Beard losses his team)- KU - OU/ISU

@BeddieKU23 I want to agree but recent history is we don’t and we don’t have the horses this year playing what Bill expected (Dave).

@BeddieKU23 he deserves it all. Shot is so pure…works his tail off and has learned to get his head and shoulders by guys (get low) when he drives and explode at the rim. Oh and he has the pull up game if defense slides as he doesn’t get called for charges…and last but not least he is the best off the pick on the wing from a big knocking down the 12-15 footer we’ve had in years. Literally a staple of nba wing play.

Dudes flat out a stud and is a better human being.

Glad Self pulled the redshirt when he did lol pretty funny we say coaches don’t look at rankings well we got Ochai here by luck and then after a half a season of practice he literally made it impossible for Bill not to pull the shirt!

@Kcmatt7 white, grimes, Tristan and biggest one Gethro.

Gethro with Drew would thrive he’d be given opportunity, miss defensive assignments but learn and do that early in the year in games we win either way. Game experience is the best Self can’t wrap his brain around this.

Gethro is 6’10 230 and long and athletic. Rim run, set screens, dunks, dump offs and put backs. You want to get to the league well this is what you do here…look at Thamba at Baylor identical.

Gethro at UNM averaged 9.8 ppg and 5.1 boards on 19.8 mpg.

I get we say “he couldn’t get minutes here” and yet look what we are running out there.

Here’s the reality. Self plays favorites based on who he trusts. How he comes to the trust conclusions no one but self knows. Practice, summer league whatever it is…it isn’t games for this trust.

Quick leash for those he doesn’t and stunted growth. Long leash for those he trusts and can do no wrong even if turnovers or bad shots are taken.

Apply it to remy, grimes, gethro whoever.

He didn’t make Grimes better…Sampson did that.

I can add Cheick too. He couldn’t “grasp” bills system or whatever your insiders claim close to the program. He’s in the wrong spot whatever yet he isn’t played through it against cream puffs he’s relegated to the bench.

Everyone who’s followed KU knows Self prioritizes system over better athletes and potential so that entails the system is literally stopping better players with higher ceilings to improve and REACH that ceiling in season.

@Marco that’s just wrong and ridiculous.

Frank played 33, 33 and 36 his last three years here.

Dtae’ played 32, 35 and 37

Get out of here with our best lead guard shouldn’t play 30 mpg this is asinine

@BShark that seems like an ignorant comment especially at this time.

How’s the team look? Are the majority of our players playing their best ball? Are they maximizing their potential? We need all 5 guys a threat to score and a three headed monster to win the big 12.

How’s Dave look? Does he look like end of year Dave who carried us the second half against the groves bro’s?

Ochai should shoot the most Braun and Remy 2a and 2b (Braun disappears against better athletes and he’s too hot and cold).

@Crimsonorblue22 agreed no doubt about that. For him to be coached to change his game this drastically was a mistake.

Self wants guys to play with a free mind and just go play but system takes precedent over freedom to play. Similar to what I’ve pointed out in the game thread. If och comes down goes 1 on 5 and shoots Self isn’t mad or yanking him. Go watch any early games and tell me what happened with Remy. Remy plays less minutes than Harris and they took the ball out of his hands. I guess going undefeated in open gyms means more to a HOF coach than actual D1 games that were played. Never knew summer league practice would carry more weight than a years of games and resume’ a guy like remy had built up.