@tundrahok Remedial classes can also be for nontraditional students who haven’t been in a math or English class in awhile and need a refresher.

BShark said:

@jayballer73 Russell + Agbaw is the start of a toughhhhh secondary.

KU is going hard to flip Garber too.

That’s not the start of one, that’s the continuation of one. Co Harris was the start.

@JayHawkFanToo Gene Chizik won a national title and was fired 2 years later and hasn’t gotten another head coaching job anywhere since then, yet Gill got another HC job after his tenure here.

@JayHawkFanToo I’ve read that article, I just don’t put much stock into anything Whitlock has to say because he’s been a really poor journalist for a very long time.

@JayHawkFanToo Turner Gill being black definitely impacted his candidacy at Auburn. As much as we want to think race is no longer an issue, the fact that rules like having to interview a minority candidate prove race is still an issue. There’s still plenty of racism going on in Alabama today along with other places in the deep south. The reason Charlie Strong didn’t get the Florida job when Urban Meyer left was because his wife is white and there’s a lot of people, both black and white, who have issues with mixed race marriages in the deep south. No matter how much people want to downplay it, race is still a big issue when it comes to coaching jobs in the south.

Gene Chizik went 3-9 and then 2-10 in his two years at Iowa St. before Auburn hired him. Gene Chizik didn’t get that job because of his resume as a head coach. He got that job because of the good ol’ boys network. He was definitely not more qualified than Gill at that time to take over Auburn. Chizik was not a good coach and got lucky that a booster paid off Cam Newton’s dad to bring Cam there.

Gill getting passed over at Nebraska isn’t that telling about what they thought of his coaching ability. It says their administration knew their defense was shit at the time and they hired the defensive minded coach over the offensive minded coach because their offense wasn’t in bad shape at the time. They hired the guy whose strengths were where Nebraska’s weakness at the time was, simple as that. Had their offense been garbage and the defense still living up to the “Blackshirts” reputation, then Gill would’ve been hired over Pelini instead.

20-30 in a vacuum is not impressive for a 5 year stretch. However, go look at Buffalo’s previous 7 years from when they moved up to the FBS prior to Gill taking over. That 7 year stretch for them was 0-11, 2-9, 3-8, 1-11, 1-11, 2-9, 1-10. 20-30 in 5 years is much better than 10-69 over 7 years. That 7 year stretch is one of the few that can give KU’s current streak of futility a run for its money and Gill is the one who made that program competitive.

Gill was never given a fair chance at KU because people were still slobbering all over Mangino’s junk because Mangino had one fluke season and couldn’t back it up.

@JayHawkFanToo 20-30 at Buffalo at that time was very impressive. KU was not the only school highly interested in him at the time. Both Nebraska and Auburn were legitimately interested as well. Had Nebraska’s defense been in better shape, it’s like Gill would’ve taken over there instead of Pelini. There was definitely a racial element involved in Gill not getting the Auburn job.

Those 20 wins in 5 years were double what Buffalo had done in the previous 7 years since they had joined the FBS. That’s not smoke and mirrors. Winning consecutive division championships is not smoke and mirrors either.

His system would’ve worked at KU had he been given his 5 years to get Mangino’s players out of the program because those players were the issue at the time. Gill needed those players gone, but was too nice of person to kick them off the team like they needed to be. Those 3-4 years after Mangino were never going to be easy on KU football because had they gotten another hard ass coach, most of those players would’ve transferred out and KU would’ve been fighting the depth issues sooner.

@HighEliteMajor Gill’s philosophy has always been about personal accountability which was the exact opposite of how Mangino ran the program. It went from one extreme to the other philosophy wise during that transition from Mangino to Gill and what happened wasn’t unexpected. When people who are used to having a routine set for them whether it be tmgoing to HS to college, transitioning from the military or prison to civilian life, and a lot don’t know how to properly adapt to that change without learning some hard lessons.

That’s what was going on with Gill at that time. Players were learning life lessons about self accountability the hard way. Since most college football players will never sniff and NFL field, that’s a life lesson they have to learn and so that’s what Gill was preparing them for. It was always going to be a 3-4 year process for the culture change to happen and get to where KU could have been successful. Gill was letting those players learn that lesson the hard way.

Year 3 and the following offseason for Gill was going to be the most important part of his tenure had he gotten there. Those players who weren’t handling their business in the classroom and were rumored to have eligibility issues included a lot of leaders on that team that had been a huge negative influence. Gill needed those younger players to see the consequences of not handling their business which was going to be year 3. That offseason between years 3 and 4 is when the negative influences were going to be gone and new leadership within the players was supposed to take over and change the toxic culture of Kansas football for the better.

I’m not going to say Gill was ever going to win B12 titles at KU, but given his full 5 years, I think he would’ve had KU bacj in a bowl game and in that 5-8 wins over year area that Mangino had KU in as well.

@HighEliteMajor Those issues you mention about conditioning was Mangino’s players rebelling against Gill which I’ve said countless times was the core of every issue Gill was facing while coach. That was what Gill needed the most was time to get Mangino’s players out of the program to establish his culture the way it’s supposed to work.

What screwed Gill the most was losing to North Dakota St. in his first game. Hindsight says that wasn’t a bad loss given the run the Bison have been on since 2010. People also forget Gill knocked off a top 15 Georgia Tech team the week after NDSU.

A lot of people also forget that 2011 class Gill put together was a great class by KU standards (34th nationally) and had his QB of the future in Michael Cummings. That class had a lot other players who would become big players for KU including Ben Heeney and Tony Pierson. There were also 7 Olinemen in that class.

I do believe year 3 would’ve been rough under Gill (2012), but I think years 4 and beyond would’ve seen the upward climb up the standings for Gill because those 2011 recruits would’ve been in year 3 and taking over that program from a leadership role.

Georgia Tech hired Temple HC Geoff Collins to fill their opening.

I will wait for the details of the incident to come out before passing judgment on Pooka. Best case scenario is he put himself into a bad spot and this is a teachable life lesson for him. Worst case is he’s a footnote in KU football history as a one year wonder with off field issues.