I don’t disagree with @HighEliteMajor in theory on this issue because the NCAA does claim to be about amateurism and one of the key aspects of that is not getting paid for your skills and when players agree to their Grant in Aid for their athletic scholarship, they are agreeing to abide by NCAA rules.

The underlying issue that’s leading to stuff like the ShoeCo investigations, Ed O’Bannon case and the California law is that the NCAA is either unwilling or unable to fully enforce their own rules. I’m fairly certain it’s the latter and that the NCAA is unable to fully enforce their own.

To me, the NCAA has to make a decision in the near future about either enforcing their rules or adapting their rules so they can be enforced or they risk shutting down in the not to distant future.

If the NCAA continues to not make significant changes, that bill that California is working on will get passed in some form in every other state and the NCAA will have a losing battle on their hands to remain in existence.

The NCAA absolutely has to figure out how they can adapt and evolve if they don’t want universities and conferences creating a new governing body for collegiate athletics in the next 20 years or so.

@FarmerJayhawk The NCAA cannot sell a jersey with player’s name while that player is an active NCAA athlete. Once that player is no longer eligible through turning pro, or exhausting eligibility, jersey’s with a player’s name on it are able to be sold through licensed retailers. I have a Paul Pierce KU throwback Nike made a few years ago that I bought from Lids and a shirt with Kirk Hinrich’s name and number that KU sold when they retired his jersey in 2010.

I don’t know percentages, but everyone would get some piece of the pie from the player, school, apparel manufacturer, the retailer, to the NCAA due to the licensing agreements in place.

I know the retailer is the one getting the biggest slice of that pie though with everyone else getting a small percentage.

As far as players themselves, they’re allowed to keep their game worn stuff if they choose to. The watch party I was at on Friday night had a special celebration to hang up a Tyler Patrick game worn jersey in that bar that he donated himself. He could’ve chosen to sell if he wanted to and kept the money for himself, auction it off and keep the money himself minus the auction fee, or could’ve donated it and written off the cost of the jersey (probably $200 or so).

This is an area I’d like to see the NCAA change in. Allow players to sell their game worn memorabilia if they choose to. Make a list of approved ways to sell items and let kids make some money that way. I’d imagine there would have been a fairly big market for that blown out shoe of Zion’s if he’d had been allowed to sell or auction it.

justanotherfan said:

Carter Stanley is a caretaker. KU still needs an upgrade, but if he can keep teams from completely loading the box to stop the run, this KU team can move the football. QB play just has to keep defenses honest so the backs can do their thing.

This is why I was probably the biggest supporter on here of Peyton Bender last year. It wasn’t because he was an elite QB because he wasn’t. It was because he took care of the football and was a good enough passer to keep defenses from stacking the box. Bender allowed the Pooka and Herbert to be Pooka and Herbert.

The first two games, Carter Stanley was awful and running game suffered because of it. If Peyton Bender was the QB this year, KU would be 3-0 and those first 2 games would’ve been 20+ point blow outs as well. Unfortunately Carter Stanley has never been a consistent passer or good decision maker, so we have what we have this year.

The defense will be solid enough to keep KU in most games. The defense last year only gave up 30+ points 4 times all season, I think it’ll be similar this year. KU also has one of the best running attacks in the B12 behind Pooka and Herbert. The question mark is the QB play and passing game. If the passing game is average, KU will be able to win some games this year because KU has a better receiving corp this year I believe. KU didn’t have big body receivers last year, this year, Parchment and Lassiter are stepping up along with the TE’s. Andrew Parchment is an all B12 receiver so KU has some weapons. It’s just a matter of whether or not Stanley can find those weapons.

There was a time when the Olympics didn’t allow professional athletes to compete because they were about amateurism. That hasn’t been the case for a long time now.

I do think the NCAA should allow student athletes to earn extra money by using their likeness. I would put some restrictions on that such as not doing endorsement deals whether national or local. If a kid wants to sell off a game worn uniform for some extra money, go for it. If a kid wants to do an autograph signing at a local business, go for it.

Selling uniforms and doing autograph signings are ways for kids even a small level schools to earn some extra cash because a lot of D2 and D3 schools are in pretty small towns where the team is a big deal and kid could sign autographs at a local grocery store or restaurant and make $10 a person per autograph or auction off a jersey for $200. Even lesser know players at big schools could do stuff like that. That’s no life changing money, but it’s enough to have some spending money.

I do also agree with others who say the NCAA needs to enforce their rules equally and fairly across the board, but the reality is the NCAA isn’t capable because the don’t have the authority to investigate certain issues.

Using KU specifically, we all know a major violation happened because of Cliff Alexander and his mom with that loan. The NCAA couldn’t prove anything though because they don’t have the ability to subpoena bank records so the case fizzled out with nothing happening.

The same thing is going to happen with Zion because the NCAA doesn’t have any legal power and they have to depend on people’s willingness to comply after the fact when there’s no reason to cooperate.

The NCAA doesn’t have the ability to enforce their own rules and that’s the real issue here. The NCAA either needs to figure out ho to enforce their rules or they need to alter their rules to the point they can enforce them.

I think the NCAA needs to come up with a list of acceptable ways a student athlete can profit off their name and likeness and allow student athletes to do that. I know my ideas on this would need a lot of tweaking, but I think basic concept of having an approved list of ways to earn money would go a long way.

I think the NBA getting rid of the OAD rule will help a lot as well with this issue.

@Marco 6 wins is possible, but I don’t see it happening. Carter Stanley is too inconsistent for me to have enough faith in him to win 4 games in the B12.

@drgnslayr We’ve seen an F game and an A game from KU within 6 days as far as the offense goes. The defense appears pretty much on par with last year’s defense minus the ability to turn teams over. It isn’t a great defense, but they’ll keep KU in most games this year.

The offense on the other hand appears like it could be extremely Jekyll and Hyde this year. If Carter Stanley plays well like he did against BC and the passing game is a factor, KU could beat anyone left on the schedule except for probably OU and Texas. If the CC Carter Stanley shows up, KU isn’t beating anyone left on the schedule.

The current offense is very much a hybrid of a typical Les Miles offense and a typical Les Koenning offense. The Power I is a Miles staple along with that toss dive play that Herbert broke one on to start the second half. The zone read, RPO, spread stuff that opened up the running game was very much a Les Koenning style offense.

We’ll probably still see some head scratching game management issues because it’s Les Miles and that’s not always a strong suit of his. I also think we’ll still see teams load up against the run and force Carter Stanley to make the defense respect the pass.

Bottom line is that Les Miles will make KU a better football program. We saw a glimpse of what that can look like on Friday night. We also know this is still a major rebuilding project that will have unexpected hiccups along the way like the CC game. We will continue to see growth over the course of the season and I don’t think 4-5 wins is out of the question this year for KU. I believe we’ll see KU have another 2-3 games where the offense is clicking and gives KU a shot an some upsets. I also believe we’ll see 2-3 more games where the offense lays an egg and makes people question the progress being made. I think we’ll also see 2-3 other games where KU is somewhere in the middle and competitive, but not good enough to finish the job.

@drgnslayr KSU has looked pretty good so far this year. Best bets would probably be WVU, Texas Tech, TCU, OSU, ISU, KSU, Baylor, Texas, then OU. That would be my guess from most likely to least likely for KU to win.

West Virginia and Texas Tech haven’t been very impressive this year. KU tends to play TCU close just about every year for whatever reason so I’ll never rule that game out regardless of how good TCU looks. OSU is similar to TCU in that they’ve played horrible against KU pretty regularly so that potential is always there as well. We always pick ISU and KSU as likely upsets, KU usually no shows those games. Baylor has typically blown out KU so I wouldn’t bet on that one. Texas and OU are far and away superior to everyone else in the league and I’d be shocked if KU stayed within 20 of either team this year.

So glad Keegan doesn’t write for the LJW any more. I met him a handful of times and he always came across as an elitist a-hole. Still trying to claim KU screwed up by firing Mangino. Mangino lost the respect of most of the locker room and was going to have a mass exodus of players after the 2009 season had he stayed. What also gets ignored about that investigation is that the Arist Wright issue that triggered the investigation wasn’t a one time deal. It was the culmination of years of Mangino not respecting his players, KU staff and faculty, along with others in positions of authority. Mangino brought everything that happened to him on himself because he didn’t have the ability to show respect to other people. He was a guy who lacked self control and needed anger management, but never admitted he had those issues while at KU.

He also never bothered to develop or recruit a successor to Reesing so KU was going to awful in 2010 regardless of who was coaching them then.

KU did not control the broadcast rights to the game last night. The broadcast rights belong to the conference of the home team. That’s why the game was on the ACC Network.

As for the game itself. Last night was a glimpse of the future of Kansas football. That was by far the best game Carter Stanley has played wearing a KU uniform. He mostly made the right decisions, he mostly made good throws. That was the difference between last week and last night.

The OLine wasn’t the issue last week. Carter Stanley was the issue. When a QB is a non threat like last week, defenses will stack the box. CCU played 9 in the box most of the game because Stanley didn’t give them a reason to respect the passing game.

BC took that same approach to start the game last night. They focused on stopping the run last night and Carter Stanley made them pay after the first couple of possessions. Once Stanley started completing some passes, that’s when the running game opened up and Pooka and Herbert took over.

The defense has been solid all year so far. The biggest difference is they aren’t creating turnovers like last year.

KU probably doesn’t play that well every week, but it was great to see a glimpse of the future under Miles. Also, Andrew Parchment might be the best receiver in the B12 this year.

As head coach at Alabama, Nick Saban went 2-6 in the SEC his first season. Even great coaches struggle without adequate personnel.

Without a good QB, KU’s playbook is severely limited. Miles and Koenning have never been guys who run a flashy offense so not having a QB who can complete a pass more than 5 yards down field is crippling the offense more than the OLine’s struggles which to me are more because of Stanley being a bad decision maker on the field.

Les Miles won 10+ games 7 times in the SEC West and only had 1 losing SEC season in that time running the basic offense he’s trying to put in place at KU. The man knows how to win football games and build programs. Les Miles laid the foundation for Mike Gundy at OSU.

KU currently does not have the roster personnel to run Miles offense the way he wants it run. David Beaty recruited for a spread offense and that’s not what Miles and Koenning run.

It’s going to take time to get those players in place and developed. It’s not an overnight process and the 2020 recruiting class shows Miles wants to build it through the HS ranks which will slow down the process because those linemen need time to physically develop.

As far as Miles and his clock management, I said the day he was hired that anyone who watched Miles at LSU already knows that’s never been a strength of his and never will be. It’s frustrating, but anyone surprised by it clearly didn’t know much about Miles beyond his record at LSU and what his strengths and weaknesses as a coach are. And yes, KU will lose some of the recruits currently committed because KU can’t sign 26 players in December. The players who have committed to KU aren’t surprised by KU dropping a game like CCU because they aren’t stupid. They know KU has been a dumpster fire the last decade and yet they still chose to commit to Miles and attempt to rebuild KU.

Les Miles will make KU a better football program by the time he leaves here. It won’t be an overnight process because it takes time to change offensive philosophies and bring in the correct personnel.

If anyone wants to accuse me of being biased about Miles and Koenning, damn right I am. Born in Louisiana and LSU was the first school I cheered for and one of the 3 schools I considered attending along with KU and Oklahoma. KU is the only football program I’ve seen play in person more than LSU and there is nothing in football like a Saturday night in Death Valley. As far as Les Koenning goes, his dad was my HS football coach and his son was HS teammate while Les Jr. was an assistant at A&M at the time.

Les Miles is the man for the job, just need to be patient and allow him to build the program because unlike basketball, it takes more than one recruiting class to revitalize a program.