I am not gleeful that KU is caught up in this at all.

I sort of am gleeful that this might change amateur basketball to a system that actually works for the players.

@HighEliteMajor I have absolutely said that I though Bill Self knew he was getting paid players. I expected more degrees of separation, but I absolutely thought he knew about every single player that got paid.

It’s really only “morally bankrupt” if you think breaking arbitrary rules, set by a multi-billion dollar non-profit, that exploits athletes, are moral in the first place.

Kcmatt7 Sep 28, 2017, 9:01 AM @BShark I did find that Townsend was lead on Selby. And Wiggins. And Jackson. And Ayton. If we have a coach who is a problem, it is him.

https://kubuckets.com/topic/6304/jaybate-this-is-your-day/203?page=11

I don’t want to rub it in anyone’s face. This sucks. Just don’t get mad at those who weren’t wearing ear plugs and crimson and blue glasses when we were talking about this, rationally, over a year ago. And now what we speculated is being confirmed.

If you want to continue living in a fantasy world, nobody is stopping you. Mute the TV and don’t read about the FBI investigation. But being disappointed in anyone on the staff is something you did to yourself.

@Woodrow Link?

What did we actually expect from Self? Put yourself in his shoes. Look at the expectations on the program. He absolutely has to land top prospects or else people will question his recruiting ability. He better be winning the league at least every other year, and getting to a final four every three or four years. You can’t do that without top tier players. Problem is, you can’t get top tier players to come to Lawrence, Kansas for free when they are getting paid to go somewhere else. So, you have to play the game if you want to keep your multi-million dollar job.

Of course I wish Self and Townsend built in a few more layers of separation. Of course I wish it wasn’t us in the investigation. But to expect that we didn’t have players on the take and that our coaches didn’t know we had players on the take is naive. Coaches know everything that goes on in their program.

Honestly, if you have a problem with Self because of this, it’s because you live in a fantasy world where you assumed for some reason that College Basketball players aren’t worth more than their scholarship despite that not being the case for over 50 years. And maybe now you are finally waking up to that reality. Bill Self has plenty of integrity. You just are shocked that the recruiting “game” is played (and has been since Self was a player at Oklahoma State) outside of the rules of NCAA defined amateurism.

I hope that this ends with a “Not Guilty” verdict because that will be the downfall of the NCAA’s stupid amateur rules. The Olympic model will finally have to be implemented, and we can quit pretending that NCAA Men’s Basketball and Football are Amateur sports.

Fultz looked awful last night. Like really, really bad. He just has no idea what he’s doing out there. Definitely shouldn’t be starting.

Embiid had some really costly plays in the 3rd that stretched the game out for the Celtics. Sixers can’t space the floor well enough with Simmons unable to shoot the ball.

Lol Coach K saying he wasn’t worried about it… Jay Williams said on air he was paid while at Duke and everyone else he knew was paid. He said his former agency paid Kevin Love’s AAU Coach $250k.

@Crimsonorblue22 Definitely paid by someone. Butler CC football players find envelopes of cash in their mailboxes.

@KUSTEVE Add in that offensively, it makes sense to put the ball in his hands since he isn’t a threat off the ball at all. Force the D to guard all 5 spots instead of basically letting Garretts man play zone. (Which was typically a big slow 4 last year, playing right into our opponents hands).

This year, when he is running point, he should have a 3 or 4 inch height advantage. We could post him up or clear out and let him drive the ball on a smaller guy. He becomes a much bigger offensive threat at PG, imo.

Great article. Valid points. Essentially the game has turned into how well do you recruit, not how well do you coach. A Maryland assistant had contract incentives based on landing players. How coaches don’t even evaluate anymore, they just get kids based on rankings or if Nike/Adidas handed them to you. And the article isn’t wrong.

@BeddieKU23 Totally worth the sub imo.