Conference realignment
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@bskeet said in Conference realignment:
For Kansas, the question is: Are we better off (long term) as a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in The B1G pond?
I choose Big fish, big pond!
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Conference realignment:
@bskeet said in Conference realignment:
For Kansas, the question is: Are we better off (long term) as a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in The B1G pond?
I choose Big fish, big pond!
I agree ā love going big
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Well interesting, how legit ā any fire behind their absence ?-- -I guess that Washington & Oregonās ADās not at the Pac 12 Media days , wonder how much that might have to do with the rumor they being considered by the BIG ā things might already be taking place just not disclosed.
Pac 12 Commish fired shots at Big 12. - -Saying he appreciates the Big 12 saying they open for business BUT not sure yet if they ready to shop here yet. ā LMAO, this guy is twisted, itās his league more then ours thatās more likely then not to get teams taken not the Big 12.
Actually only 5 -12 League ADāS showed up for the PAC 12 Conference.- -I STILL think itās the Big 12 that will be adding PAC 12 teams when the air clears
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As a Big 12 (nee Big
grad who lives in Pac-12 (nee Pac-8) country, itās interesting to watch fans in each conference badmouth the other.Iām hearing exactly the same rhetoric from both sidesā¦āHow dare we lower ourselves by taking in schools from THAT conference. They donāt compare to the teams in OUR league.ā The truth is that both conferences are āwalking woundedā after they lost their sugar daddy schools.
Personally Iād like to see more cooperation and less backbiting. Letās face it, thereās a reason that the Big 10 and SEC didnāt come calling for the others: The dollar bill. And the Notre Dame situation makes it even more unlikely that any of the have-nots will join the two majors. The sooner the larger left-behind schools figure this out and start making the best of the situation, the better.
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@nwhawkfan said in Conference realignment:
As a Big 12 (nee Big
grad who lives in Pac-12 (nee Pac-8) country, itās interesting to watch fans in each conference badmouth the other.Iām hearing exactly the same rhetoric from both sidesā¦āHow dare we lower ourselves by taking in schools from THAT conference. They donāt compare to the teams in OUR league.ā The truth is that both conferences are āwalking woundedā after they lost their sugar daddy schools.
Personally Iād like to see more cooperation and less backbiting. Letās face it, thereās a reason that the Big 10 and SEC didnāt come calling for the others: The dollar bill. And the Notre Dame situation makes it even more unlikely that any of the have-nots will join the two majors. The sooner the larger left-behind schools figure this out and start making the best of the situation, the better.
you and me both. just like PAC 12 schools need to accept their position and that they nee the Big 12 help the better - -Fans from KU need to understand that the Big is not gonna be sending KU any invitation to join the Big 10. - -Itās only getting less and less chance
On the bright side if there is one , with the talk from the BIG Commissioner that itās not over , and they checking out now Oregon , Washington and others that just helps the Big 12 in adding Pac 12 teams cause if like it has been said in other articles if they lose anymore teams /Schools they are done so there is that , BUT with the chances of the Big 10 possibly adding Stanford - -Oregon - -Washington and when itās all said and doe Possibly Norte Dame , there is no way KU gets invited to joined that Conference. - The sooner the PAC 12 realizes things , and KU realizes and just get this done the better off we will be.
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Now some talk going on that maybe the Big 21 takes on possibly 3 PAC 12 teams and then possibly San Diego State. The reason for the interest of the Aztecs ? Because the size of the Campus blowing up and more West Coast Media
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@nwhawkfan said in Conference realignment:
As a Big 12 (nee Big
grad who lives in Pac-12 (nee Pac-8) country, itās interesting to watch fans in each conference badmouth the other.Iām hearing exactly the same rhetoric from both sidesā¦āHow dare we lower ourselves by taking in schools from THAT conference. They donāt compare to the teams in OUR league.ā The truth is that both conferences are āwalking woundedā after they lost their sugar daddy schools.
Personally Iād like to see more cooperation and less backbiting. Letās face it, thereās a reason that the Big 10 and SEC didnāt come calling for the others: The dollar bill. And the Notre Dame situation makes it even more unlikely that any of the have-nots will join the two majors. The sooner the larger left-behind schools figure this out and start making the best of the situation, the better.
Itās open season for attacking each other at the moment. Biggest mouth the winner, they think.
Hard to blame any of em, as they are fighting for survival.
Not sure it matters that much in the end. the BIG and SEC are the top dawgs from here on out. The rest will nibble at the bits.
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I got it. Letās just sign up all remaining teams that arenāt in the Big10 or SECā¦ Weāll form a 60-team conference and have more viewers than both of these conferences. All of our media will be built by Jay-Z. Weāll figure out what we are doing laterā¦ lol
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@drgnslayr said in Conference realignment:
I got it. Letās just sign up all remaining teams that arenāt in the Big10 or SECā¦ Weāll form a 60-team conference and have more viewers than both of these conferences. All of our media will be built by Jay-Z. Weāll figure out what we are doing laterā¦ lol
Iāve got a great name for that conference.
National Collegiate Athletic Association
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@Kcmatt7 said in Conference realignment:
@drgnslayr said in Conference realignment:
I got it. Letās just sign up all remaining teams that arenāt in the Big10 or SECā¦ Weāll form a 60-team conference and have more viewers than both of these conferences. All of our media will be built by Jay-Z. Weāll figure out what we are doing laterā¦ lol
Iāve got a great name for that conference.
National Collegiate Athletic Association
@Kcmatt7 Ha. not like that name will be in use in a few years!
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We can pay the NCAA a few pennies for their NILā¦ lol
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One thing that Iāve learned is that nothing really happens when thereās a lot of banter. But when it gets quiet, look out.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Conference realignment:
@bskeet said in Conference realignment:
For Kansas, the question is: Are we better off (long term) as a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in The B1G pond?
Thatās an easy question, the Big 10. Both athletically and academically. Athletically, if KU joined, TV revenues would essentially double once KU got full shares if the Big 10 ends up anywhere near the $100 million per school number floating out there. Even if itās in the $75-80 million range, thatās still significantly more than the Big 12 even if KU doesnāt get full revenue immediately like Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers went through. That extra money helps fund renovations to Memorial Stadium, helps fund NIL programs, and helps increase funding coaching and recruiting budgets for olympic sports programs which helps those programs of which KU is pretty good at several such as volleyball, soccer, and track and field.
Academically, KU is far better off in the Big 10 than the Big 12. KU is number 2 or 3 currently in prestige in the league (Texas is better and TCU is as well depending on metrics used). KU would actually be near the bottom of the Big 10 in regards to academic prestige, but being in that group of AAU programs would help significantly elevate KUās academic standing.
This doesnāt mean that KU should act like Missouri a decade ago in trying to get into the Big 10, but working to get a Big 10 invite should be a top priority of Girod and Goff. The biggest thing on the athletic side KU could do is to move forward with Memorial Stadium renovations regardless of where of where the football team at this point. Those renovations would show a long term commitment to growing the football program and making it consistently competitive which is something the Big 10 would be looking at.
I donāt know enough about the academic side of things to say what KU needs to focus on to make themselves more attractive to the Big 10, but Iām sure @FarmerJayhawk could give some insight on that front as to what KU could do academically to make themselves more attractive to the Big 10.
Agree on call counts, except for perhaps the last part, idk about my insight but Iāll give it a go. First thing is increasing admissions standards. Chancellor Gray Little got the ball rolling but KU still accepts 90+% of applicants, and itās not because Kansans are especially qualified. We should strive for metrics that get us to 60-70%. That would increase the quality of the student body and attract better faculty. Better faculty ā> more research $ ā> on and on. KU has some terrific graduate programs, but not the types of cash cows that make us super impressive in Big Ten land. KU Medās NCI Comprehensive Classification is a huge start. Just need more in pharmacy, engineering, et al.
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So let me see if I have this correctā¦ the academic reputation of our school will be determined by what conference we are in, which is being determined by sports media marketing wonks and their valuation of conference media contracts?
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@drgnslayr said in Conference realignment:
So let me see if I have this correctā¦ the academic reputation of our school will be determined by what conference we are in, which is being determined by sports media marketing wonks and their valuation of conference media contracts?
Opposite causal direction! We have to be better academically (among other things) to get into the Big Ten. Which will also enhance our reputation. Being in the same league as Michigan, Northwestern, and Wisconsin vs. Baylor, OSU, and Texas Tech will help quite a bit too.
And just cards on the table here, Iāve argued for a long time the B1G is best for KU even if we still suck at football and basketball gets a bit worse. It is an academic institution first and foremost after all!
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Conference realignment:
It is an academic institution first and foremost after all!
I thought KU only exists to irritate the hell out of the entire state of Missouri?
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Itās hard to win me to go to any conferenceā¦ but your post here brings out my thumb pointing up! Thanks!
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@mayjay said in Conference realignment:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Conference realignment:
It is an academic institution first and foremost after all!
I thought KU only exists to irritate the hell out of the entire state of Missouri?
Weāre the Gondor to their Mordor tbh
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Go back to the abyss prepared for you, Missouri! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your master, Nick Saban! Go!
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So will college sports break down into political history followings?
Big10 - Union
SEC - Confederate
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Well this is certainly interesting. Now letās get this out there before we get accused of blowing things out of the water before it goes anywhere - -we all know there is nothing in this that will happen but if itās true and parties believe it is , itās good to see we have a new Commish that isnāt gonna sit still and watch all of this pass us by. - -Now here is what I heard within the last hour. Actually read and heard
There is a report that came out from St Paul Minnesota , from the Pioneer Gazette I guess that our New Commish had reached out to the University of Minnesota to see if they had any interest in possibly joining the Big 12. - Now the guy says or people feel if he reached out to Minnesota makes them feel they werenāt the only Schools. They said now what if he reached out to the Western quad of the Big ten ? - - Schools like Minnesota ā Iowa - - -Wisconsin - - & Nebraska ?
Now like they also said we know that these Schools probably would have no interest, probably just going to take the money & run. but they said from a Social media stand point wonder how that would look ? - ā Because what those schools ar facing now is having to make several trips out to the Western Coast areaās - -how is that going to end up working out ? - - Hmmmm makes you wonder .
Like we said at the beginnning and the people said also , we know there is nothing to this BUT - Itās good to know that we have a Commish that is going to refuse to just sit still& he is going to be out and touching all bases-- all possibilities for the conference. - for me myself , I like tht , I want an active guy thats willing to get after it and protect our conference
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I guess you gotta shoot your shot
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Now crazy rumors of Oklahoma State & Texas A & M to the Big 10. - - -Oklahoma State IS NOT going to the Big 10. For one the academics donāt match up with Big 10 standards
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I think the big white elephant in the room could be political/lifestyle differences.
Maybe this scrambling of conferences is good for our country? Maybe it helps establish more of a systemic integration?
For exampleā¦ Iām worldlyā¦ lived abroad and travel extensively. Some of my Kansas friends have not had this fortune. Sometimes I see how it would help them to experience more of the world.
Does anyone else see this conference spaghetti as a cultural opportunity?
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Academics first and cost, so no! Time too.
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I think things are going to get pretty interesting in the not to distant future now that the BIG has their media package done. - - - CBS , NBC , Peacock, - - I enjoy listening to Sicem 365 a Baylor podcast , lots of talk about re-alignment and such. They talking with the BIG done with their TV package , your going to start seeing movement.
They said they think the PAC 12 isnāt going to get anything close to what they want or what they need in the talks with ESPN. - -They think ESPN going to lowball , with the BIG still mumbling about yet further adds probably end up with a 20 team Conference ā meaning in the end your gonna see the Washington , Oregon gone to the BIG. - that will destroy the PAC 12.
They talking like more then ever now we might see a merger of some sorts with the PAC 12 & Big 12 - with the thoughts of hey you got you TV deal - - we got our TV deal come on letās get together solidfy and strengthen and become one better one. We would be the # 3 Conference. We all know that the Big 2 or the Pac 12 is no going to come anywhere close to the BIG or the SEC but we for sure be in a solid place with 3rd on top of ACC and others
I think the chances are good that in the end we will see the 4 Schools Ariz , Arizona St Utah and Colorado when itās all said and done coming to the big 12. Think we are going to see some movement not that far , cause with the BIG still whispering about still adding more the other like Arizona and those schools gonna act fast while they have a chance & not get left out in the cold
In the end think you will see Oregon & Washington and they said even Stanford joining the BIG
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I know itās about viewership and not geographyā¦ howeverā¦ #1 and #2 are both really eastern conferences. Adding in UCLA and USC only gives them a touch outside the east.
I donāt like being called ā#3āā¦ but is it that bad if we became the premiere conference for most of America that is NOT east?
I knowā¦ I knowā¦ Texas and Oklahoma arenāt with us. Iāll take some joy in watching them become irrelevant like Nebraska didā¦ and Mizzou further.
This is starting to look like our political systemā¦ big electoral statesā¦ Ohio, Florida, Michiganā¦ Texas.
Just to piss off Texasā¦ I now consider them an āEastern state!ā lol
Iāll be eating popcorn and watching the huge culture war go down between California and the Big10.
UCLA and USC, the perpetual pearls of the West Coast are just two irrelevant, hated teams in the Big10. Hope they choke on their money roll! My LA people are telling me they are receiving big time hate in their own backyard now. They better make a plan to recruit more enrollment overseas because many high school kids are changing their education plans.
