Conference realignment
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@mayjay said in Conference realignment:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Conference realignment:
It is an academic institution first and foremost after all!
I thought KU only exists to irritate the hell out of the entire state of Missouri?
We’re the Gondor to their Mordor tbh
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Go back to the abyss prepared for you, Missouri! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your master, Nick Saban! Go!
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So will college sports break down into political history followings?
Big10 - Union
SEC - Confederate
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Well this is certainly interesting. Now let’s get this out there before we get accused of blowing things out of the water before it goes anywhere - -we all know there is nothing in this that will happen but if it’s true and parties believe it is , it’s good to see we have a new Commish that isn’t gonna sit still and watch all of this pass us by. - -Now here is what I heard within the last hour. Actually read and heard
There is a report that came out from St Paul Minnesota , from the Pioneer Gazette I guess that our New Commish had reached out to the University of Minnesota to see if they had any interest in possibly joining the Big 12. - Now the guy says or people feel if he reached out to Minnesota makes them feel they weren’t the only Schools. They said now what if he reached out to the Western quad of the Big ten ? - - Schools like Minnesota — Iowa - - -Wisconsin - - & Nebraska ?
Now like they also said we know that these Schools probably would have no interest, probably just going to take the money & run. but they said from a Social media stand point wonder how that would look ? - – Because what those schools ar facing now is having to make several trips out to the Western Coast area’s - -how is that going to end up working out ? - - Hmmmm makes you wonder .
Like we said at the beginnning and the people said also , we know there is nothing to this BUT - It’s good to know that we have a Commish that is going to refuse to just sit still& he is going to be out and touching all bases-- all possibilities for the conference. - for me myself , I like tht , I want an active guy thats willing to get after it and protect our conference
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I guess you gotta shoot your shot
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Now crazy rumors of Oklahoma State & Texas A & M to the Big 10. - - -Oklahoma State IS NOT going to the Big 10. For one the academics don’t match up with Big 10 standards
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I think the big white elephant in the room could be political/lifestyle differences.
Maybe this scrambling of conferences is good for our country? Maybe it helps establish more of a systemic integration?
For example… I’m worldly… lived abroad and travel extensively. Some of my Kansas friends have not had this fortune. Sometimes I see how it would help them to experience more of the world.
Does anyone else see this conference spaghetti as a cultural opportunity?
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Academics first and cost, so no! Time too.
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I think things are going to get pretty interesting in the not to distant future now that the BIG has their media package done. - - - CBS , NBC , Peacock, - - I enjoy listening to Sicem 365 a Baylor podcast , lots of talk about re-alignment and such. They talking with the BIG done with their TV package , your going to start seeing movement.
They said they think the PAC 12 isn’t going to get anything close to what they want or what they need in the talks with ESPN. - -They think ESPN going to lowball , with the BIG still mumbling about yet further adds probably end up with a 20 team Conference – meaning in the end your gonna see the Washington , Oregon gone to the BIG. - that will destroy the PAC 12.
They talking like more then ever now we might see a merger of some sorts with the PAC 12 & Big 12 - with the thoughts of hey you got you TV deal - - we got our TV deal come on let’s get together solidfy and strengthen and become one better one. We would be the # 3 Conference. We all know that the Big 2 or the Pac 12 is no going to come anywhere close to the BIG or the SEC but we for sure be in a solid place with 3rd on top of ACC and others
I think the chances are good that in the end we will see the 4 Schools Ariz , Arizona St Utah and Colorado when it’s all said and done coming to the big 12. Think we are going to see some movement not that far , cause with the BIG still whispering about still adding more the other like Arizona and those schools gonna act fast while they have a chance & not get left out in the cold
In the end think you will see Oregon & Washington and they said even Stanford joining the BIG
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I know it’s about viewership and not geography… however… #1 and #2 are both really eastern conferences. Adding in UCLA and USC only gives them a touch outside the east.
I don’t like being called “#3”… but is it that bad if we became the premiere conference for most of America that is NOT east?
I know… I know… Texas and Oklahoma aren’t with us. I’ll take some joy in watching them become irrelevant like Nebraska did… and Mizzou further.
This is starting to look like our political system… big electoral states… Ohio, Florida, Michigan… Texas.
Just to piss off Texas… I now consider them an “Eastern state!” lol
I’ll be eating popcorn and watching the huge culture war go down between California and the Big10.
UCLA and USC, the perpetual pearls of the West Coast are just two irrelevant, hated teams in the Big10. Hope they choke on their money roll! My LA people are telling me they are receiving big time hate in their own backyard now. They better make a plan to recruit more enrollment overseas because many high school kids are changing their education plans.
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@drgnslayr - my fervent belief is that UT and OU will follow the path of TA&M to irrelevancy. If they fail like Fizzou, so much the better.
I feel like UCLA & USC will struggle in the Big 10. The B1G is more smash mouth….
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@Gorilla72 You do know A&M is ranked 6th in the preseason poll and one of the few teams to have multiple wins over Alabama since they moved, on top of having a Heisman winner. They haven’t exactly been irrelevant over the last 10 years. That’s on top of the expansions to Kyle Field during that time as well. I’d very strongly argue that A&M is the one school out of the 4 that have left so far that has been better off since leaving the Big 12.
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A&M has been a great fit down in the SEC. Both have big cult energy
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So if the Kansas Board of Regents has to approve a conference move, and Carl Ice (member of KSU Foundation) is Vice Chair… does this mean we probably can’t change conferences without taking our purple little brother with us?
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@drgnslayr said in Conference realignment:
So if the Kansas Board of Regents has to approve a conference move, and Carl Ice (member of KSU Foundation) is Vice Chair… does this mean we probably can’t change conferences without taking our purple little brother with us?
There would be a lot of pressure on the regents to require KU and KState to remain in the same conference. Not sure if they would draw a red line on that issue, but there is the possibility that would happen.
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@drgnslayr said in Conference realignment:
So if the Kansas Board of Regents has to approve a conference move, and Carl Ice (member of KSU Foundation) is Vice Chair… does this mean we probably can’t change conferences without taking our purple little brother with us?
0% chance they’d stop KU from moving.
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I’m sticking with my guns on this KU is NOT going anywhere, so we don’t have to worry about taking lil brother with us. - - KU when it’s all said and done will be right here in the Big 12. - -Any conference re-alignment will be the Big 12 adding the 4 Pac 12 teams that has been the topic from day one.
The Big 12 WILL be the 3rd P-5 Conference with the additions if any -they will be Arizona - -Arizona State - - Utah - -& Colorado with I think the two best shots out of this group Arizona & Utah.
Just read another article today the BIG is targeting 5 Schools still with 4 of those 5 coming from the Pac 12 then they trying to still get Norte Dame - which that’s not happening for some time anyways - -the other 4 if the BIG invites they will 100 % jump and destroy the Pac 12 - . If Arizona could they would be in the Big 12 today. - All a matter of time.
People still think KU is goin to the BIG - - you need to stop and face reality , the BIG will not invite KU - -not for a few years anyways We have to become better in the football side which we all know or should know this is what it’s all about. the Money sport , the revenue for any possibility we not there yet. - just get ready to accept new additions to the Big 12 - this conference is gonna be fine -not billion but solid 3rd , while these other Conferences maybe not so much. - -I think too when the smoke clears your gonna see the ACC crumble over time yes their GOR is insane but I think the SEC will grab the schools mentioned and they will work around that
An awesome thing would be if that were to happen then the Big 12 with Arizona & Utah maybe be able to get Louisville another from the dissolved ACC would make for a solid Conference and really really good Basketball - -with the addition of Arizona and Louisville regarding that sport - - time will tell but don’t be surprised
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Really good stuff here. B12 smoked the Pac12. Yormark is a revelation.
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Here we go again. Florida State wants out of the ACC. Some are speculating the ACC dismantling has now begun. North Carolina and Virginia next up?
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I keep hearing ACC schools are in talks with the B12, SEC and B10. Sounding like 3 if we are lucky “power conferences” maybe a reality in the near future.
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@kjayhawks said in Conference realignment:
I keep hearing ACC schools are in talks with the B12, SEC and B10. Sounding like 3 if we are lucky “power conferences” maybe a reality in the near future.
Kinda funny if we ended up with three mega conferences.
Same teams, but bunched up differently. There go conference rivalries.
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Oh, and I hate TV money…can’t the NCAA figure out how to combat this???
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I’m gonna be honest with the insane amount of money flying around and the games about ready to be streamed on 5 different apps. I likely won’t be a sports fan in 5 years.
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Yea, we need a czar who can control all this mess and keep fans engaged.
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Before long, we will have hologrammed games in the home or virtual reality with court side seats. Just hope it will not be too expensive.
I see that Meta Quest already has it for NBA games. College should not be too far behind.
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Will be fascinating to see if they can get out of the GOR. Thats like half a billion when you include the exit fee
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Everyone is jumping the gun a bit I think. Florida St has to get out of the ACC GOR first.
If they somehow can, they probably go to the B10 or SEC. I would think most FSU fans see going to the B12 as a lateral move and not worth the trouble of trying to get out of the ACC GOR. You could make a pretty salty conference just taking the top half of the ACC and the top half of the B12, though.
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As a FSU fan, this isn’t new but the CFP snub has set this in motion after some legal review. They will likely have to pay $120 million to leave perhaps more, perhaps less. Will be interesting to see what happens but it’s the only way to solidify the future in this race to destroy the sport
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Conference realignment:
Will be fascinating to see if they can get out of the GOR. Thats like half a billion when you include the exit fee
They won’t end up paying near that much. Seen to much talk- they chances are will settle or a lot less. Will still be plenty but nothing close to that. - -After they leave- - -or announce or get invitation to BIG 12 or SEC-- you cn take it to the bank the implosion of the ACC begins
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@BeddieKU23 said in Conference realignment:
As a FSU fan, this isn’t new but the CFP snub has set this in motion after some legal review. They will likely have to pay $120 million to leave perhaps more, perhaps less. Will be interesting to see what happens but it’s the only way to solidify the future in this race to destroy the sport
Plus get out of the GOR. That’s well into the 9 figures. 120 is the exit fee plus 300m+ in foregone media rights. It’s gonna get wooly
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@FarmerJayhawk The Gor runs thru 2036 I believe. That’s a lot of tv dollars. We’ll see how good their lawyers are. The Big12 pulls in more money so I don’t think lateral to ACC, but still behind the other 2 surviving conferences.
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What’s funny is this all could’ve been prevented if not for greed. If the PAC12 and SEC had not poached teams from the Big12, none of this would be going down. Poaching big12 teams has likely ended 2 other conferences!
All the 5 major conferences had to do was band together, pool the money for equal distribution and wield unlimited power over the NCAA while preserving all the last 100 years of conference history. - you could even ban games outside of the “power 5” conferences to insure the best product if you desire.
Football has limited games, but imagine playing all your conference teams once and another 9 common opponents from another conference? You could have different schedules with a “non-conference” portion that is different and imbalanced to equalize things - 1st place finishers all play the other conference winners and on down. Would make for excellent and more fair scheduling and games, but instead Missouri is in the SEC, UCLA is in the BIG10, the PAC12 is rapidly dying, the ACC is on life support, centuries long series have been broken. It’s crazy and all over greed that could be satisfied to a greater extent if they had worked together instead of poaching one another.
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They have secured private equity funding if they go down this road and from everything that I’m aware of, this is the path they are preparing for. The plan is still to get multiple ACC teams to follow suit with them in this fight. There has been some talk that if 3-4 ACC teams go at this together, they will have a fighting chance.
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I don’t have any confidence in our lawyers but they seem prepared for action. They may first go with a Declaratory Judgement to get the courts to define rights and obligations before anything more serious but who knows. They could also push for a settlement which I find more likely because I can’t imagine the ACC or ESPN want a messy litigation battle.
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It’s coming… https://apple.news/ACBU1jQXxTUihn5kx7M03yA
THE FLORIDA STATE board of trustees voted unanimously Friday to file suit against the ACC to challenge the legality of the league’s grant of rights and its $130 million withdrawal fee, a necessary first step to plot the school’s future and potential exit from the conference.
All told, the university estimates the total exit fee, including the forfeiture of television revenue, would be $572 million.
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Mercy Was listening to the podcast and man did FSU land the bomb shell on the ACC. - -7 count lawsuit, none of the Board members voted against the suit , they are saying this whole thing isn’t about winning -it’s about settlement. Reducing the penalty
Being said the penalty of 572 million is insane and no way that gets upheld that the ACC will have to settle for much less, FSU more or less saying this huge GOR and other things were almost forced under duress Word around is FSU will win this easily, and chances are this may not even see a court , that there will be a settlement. The ACc will amend and come up with a settlement cost for AL ACC schools if they want to depart.
They are waiting to hear and think could be soon the next schools to speak up very well could be today - -Clemson & Miami , they way they think this ends up , then any ACC members will be able to exit with the settlement cost instead of the insane 570 million.
Another thing is ESPN can very easily walk away in 2027 from the ACc - -their network , work away completly -the Implosion is begginning
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When all the dust settles, in the end – we will see the Big 1 will benefit from this with the ACC
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Basically my view https://x.com/johnhollinger/status/1738264095852306450?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ
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The battle is set.
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FSU has got this won
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Not only that , thee will be vey quality teams left with no place to land and if the Big 12 is smart they will offer to remain relevant , if they sit back and take no action then we become the next on the chopping block. We have to stay active in alignment for security of the conference , at the present are in a much better spot then the ACC , general consensus is Fla St popular belief is that FSU lands with the BIG , the question is who joins them ? -most believe it’s either Miami or Clemson - -Then strong talk about UNC to the SEC , FSU wins this your going to see mass exodus.
there will be quality teams that will leave teams tryin to find a landing spot. - -Pitt & Louisville seem to be a popular choice to land in the Big 12 , I think if people think that Yormark is going to sit back and do nothing on this- - that’s just foolish, sa active as he has been and how he is trying to promote the Big 12 by such things as going to Rutgers Park - - going into New Mexico to play - -trying to establish in all four time zones , he is looking out for the best interest of the Big 12. - -He will be on the phone if he hasn’t already been talking to teams from the ACC. - -keep up with the Jone’s fellas or get left behind. Then you face the challenge of being left out and end up in some irrelevant Conference when the Big 12 implodes from lake of action.
Brett will continue to push the totally separate package for Basketball a completely separate media deal by it’s self- -that’s a smart move, it may not be the # 1 money maker but it sure the hell isn’t going to hurt. - -If Gonzaga and yes there are still talks about them joining - our Basketball will just be that much stronger and that raises media coverage/money market shares will go up. - -KU - - Arizona— -Baylor - - Houston - -Gonzaga - -and others just a monster.
It will be aawhile but not that long we looking at 2025 possibly or if the major big brands or most exit the ACC after this - -FSU , Clemson , Miami -Virg–and ESPN cuts ties with the ACC which hs been mentioned - lok out.
Talk is the ACC and ESPN doesn’t want this to drag out as then you start looking at multiple lawsuits against the ACC & possibly ESPN - I really can’t explain that part you would have to read it, or hear but ESPN doesn’t want a bunch of legal battle – will be inteesting
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@jayballer67 based on what? Like what’s the “one weird trick” to get out of the GOR that nobody has found up until now?
I do think they’ll settle, but Maryland ended up paying over 60% of the original exit fees and such when they left.
That being said, it’s so early yet it’s impossible to say. Like we’re still in the fighting over venue stage (Florida vs. NC). And if the judge in this declaratory says yeah you’re on the hook for all 572 then whew that changes things entirely.
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Would be kind of funny if FSU won but neither of the P2s wanted them.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Conference realignment:
@jayballer67 based on what? Like what’s the “one weird trick” to get out of the GOR that nobody has found up until now?
I do think they’ll settle, but Maryland ended up paying over 60% of the original exit fees and such when they left.
That being said, it’s so early yet it’s impossible to say. Like we’re still in the fighting over venue stage (Florida vs. NC). And if the judge in this declaratory says yeah you’re on the hook for all 572 then whew that changes things entirely.
One of the things that FSU is using in their suit is that the whole GOR is fraudulent.–FSU signed the GOR in 2016 with the understand that Espn said that they would not renegotiate anything unless the acc agreed to the extension of 2036, the President of the ACC took it upon himself and signed to the Espn agreement without consulting ANY of the ACC schools , now Espn is not locked into paying the Acc anything after 2027, they could just walk away from the ACC. - -FSU saying this constitutes a fraudulent GOR .
As far as the insane 570 Million GOR and exiting , like they said how could ANYONE expect a School to pay those kind of fees when you only make like 45 million of revenue a year ? - that’s just total bullshit. Florida St alrady ha a place to land that’s the BIG, like they said FSU would not go ahead and take this kind of action unless they had a landing spot - sure not going to be the SEC they said because they was talking about things with the SEC and the College Football playoffs… - - They are looking for the settlement not having to pay 570 million that’s not even feasible/realistic -totallt fradulant GOR
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I guess the theory is that the exit fees are meant to be a form of liquidated damages, as the GOR might be. Liquidated damages are damaages for breach of contract that are agreed to in the contract itself because the parties agree that it would be imprecise and hard to calculate damages after a breach actually occurs. CBS has a penalty in the amount of several million in their contracts with everyone involved in Survivor to make sure no one discloses anything, and it has deterred contestants from spilling the beans (even the contract itself has leaked only once in 45 seasons). The amount is huge because no one knows how premature disclosure would affect the ratings and those ratings are consistently high.
There have been many attempts to get liquidated damages tossed out as so excessive they are really punitive damages, which generally do not exist for breach of contract. I would suspect FSU could be pretty convincing that their departure would not hurt anyone to a level anywhere near half a billion bucks.
I will be intrigued if, after bowl season where ESPN controls virtually everything, FSU raises antitrust and restraint of trade issues due to ESPN effectively controlling all the schools’ tv rights through the GOR provision. If the ACC admin has some sweetheart side deal with ESPN that brings nothing to the schools, or just benefits for some, the cries of collusion and corruption will be loud and bitter.
Looking forward to it!
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@mayjay said in Conference realignment:
I guess the theory is that the exit fees are meant to be a form of liquidated damages, as the GOR might be. Liquidated damages are damaages for breach of contract that are agreed to in the contract itself because the parties agree that it would be imprecise and hard to calculate damages after a breach actually occurs. CBS has a penalty in the amount of several million in their contracts with everyone involved in Survivor to make sure no one discloses anything, and it has deterred contestants from spilling the beans (even the contract itself has leaked only once in 45 seasons). The amount is huge because no one knows how premature disclosure would affect the ratings and those ratings are consistently high.
There have been many attempts to get liquidated damages tossed out as so excessive they are really punitive damages, which generally do not exist for breach of contract. I would suspect FSU could be pretty convincing that their departure would not hurt anyone to a level anywhere near half a billion bucks.
I will be intrigued if, after bowl season where ESPN controls virtually everything, FSU raises antitrust and restraint of trade issues due to ESPN effectively controlling all the schools’ tv rights through the GOR provision. If the ACC admin has some sweetheart side deal with ESPN that brings nothing to the schools, or just benefits for some, the cries of collusion and corruption will be loud and bitter.
Looking forward to it!
Espn has till think they said till Feb, o 2015 to exercise their option to extend their agreement to 2036 - -so far hey haven’t exercised those rights. - -Thing is the ACC President signed the agreement with Espn without consulting any of the ACC schools, . People asking ell-- -hy did they sign this agreement, to which was said they just felt so desperate to have the Network they had to have something-- which the ACC president did without really consulting the schools.
@mayjay said in Conference realignment:
I guess the theory is that the exit fees are meant to be a form of liquidated damages, as the GOR might be. Liquidated damages are damaages for breach of contract that are agreed to in the contract itself because the parties agree that it would be imprecise and hard to calculate damages after a breach actually occurs. CBS has a penalty in the amount of several million in their contracts with everyone involved in Survivor to make sure no one discloses anything, and it has deterred contestants from spilling the beans (even the contract itself has leaked only once in 45 seasons). The amount is huge because no one knows how premature disclosure would affect the ratings and those ratings are consistently high.
There have been many attempts to get liquidated damages tossed out as so excessive they are really punitive damages, which generally do not exist for breach of contract. I would suspect FSU could be pretty convincing that their departure would not hurt anyone to a level anywhere near half a billion bucks.
I will be intrigued if, after bowl season where ESPN controls virtually everything, FSU raises antitrust and restraint of trade issues due to ESPN effectively controlling all the schools’ tv rights through the GOR provision. If the ACC admin has some sweetheart side deal with ESPN that brings nothing to the schools, or just benefits for some, the cries of collusion and corruption will be loud and bitter.
Looking forward to it!
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Keep points that the FSU attorneys are focusing on and going to file - -Breach of Contract , Unenforceable withdrawal penalties , Violation of public policy , Restraint of Trade.
FSU saying not so much filing this for the GOR but filing because of the issues they have has concerning Actions of leadership over the last 10 years and the future 13 , Arguing GOR of the ACC withdrawal fees violate Anti Trust Law in Florida. - -and question the ridiculous increase from 21 million GOR 10 years ago to 572 Million GOR now.
