I'm okay if we go ahead and win out from here on out... with a different guy having a career night each game. Hmmm.... let's see... who is next? lol

This will be a good test. Are we ready to start a new trend of winning on the road? It's one thing to win on a neutral court... and something completely different on their court.

We will have had several days rest and prep for this game, including the mixing of DP in the lineup. Just from the little bits of DP we've seen... he isn't going to be our quarterback. That position clearly goes to Melvin, who creates plenty of action to build his assist numbers. We need DP to score. There is a good article about Mel on kusports and how he has been the mvp of this team so far. I think DP will become that title eventually if he stays healthy because he'll get more pt and will get properly integrated in this team. Still... it will be close between these guys, while Tre does Tre. I said this weeks ago... he is our "silent assassin!" Melvin barks like a dog.. Tre bites! lol

@Jayhawk_69 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:

Reportedly, Bill Self has said that Melvin Council has been "hands down" the MVP of the team so far. Thoughts?

Personally, I like Melvin a lot but I would give the nod to Tre.

I think Tre likes to be the silent assassin. Teams aren't focusing on him with double teams and their prime defender, so he can go get his almost at will. He's the best rebounding guard I think Kansas has ever had. And he's one of the few Jayhawks who understands how to draw fouls in our entire history. I acknowledge Frank and Devonte as being good at this, too... but not like Tre.

Mel is an energy/emotion guy! He turns it up most when receiving praise. And he does deserve plenty of praise!

I still can't get over Fran Fraschilla criticizing this group Self recruited from the portal. He always has to find something wrong with KU.

I'm back! Made it through the gauntlet. Can't get rid of me that easily!

This is a pretty accurate look at Hurley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me8cMqSvpEQ

I do see him as a savant, a lunatic, and often, a dickhead.

He shows us all... that we need to have more in our life than basketball. Dan does not. Someday he will be recognized as one of the basketball coaching greats... from his mental ward.

Two years ago, I made an absolute fortune picking UCONN winning the nattie... so I can't say even worse things about him.

I could be wrong... but I'm thinking Elmarko is the only one on our team (and maybe on both teams) that understands this rivalry and what it means to both schools.

After seeing him become a one-man wrecking crew against Tenn I know he has it in him to go f some teams up if he is inspired to. (actually, he got Melvin going, too)

Elmarko is my Hawk to rock. By a landslide.

@nuleafjhawk

We just can't escape the elephant in the room... This young man is a walking Fort Knox. It is likely he will make over $100 million in his career.

I don't care if he sprained a toe nail. The guy should sit as long as needed. And he will basically have to walk out on the court to earn his old job back.

And if it's me being replaced for some minutes, I'm cool with it. If I want to keep my minutes, I better go out there and outplay him.

Just my opinion, and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

There is some really dark ideas going around... like he has eligibility issues. Or others saying he won't return. This all needs to stop...and let this play out.

I still have confidence in his return and this is all a legitimate concern about his health.

@bskeet said in Kansas Jayhawks vs Missouri Tigers Game Chat 12/7 12:00 CT:

Pounding Missouri is occupying 100% of the space in my head for basketball right now.

As it should.... for all of us.

It's the suffering part of being a Jayhawk... with hopeful relief on Sunday afternoon, followed by ecstasy, followed by a year of not having to think of this again until it's back on the radar.

@BShark said in Kansas Jayhawks vs Missouri Tigers Game Chat 12/7 12:00 CT:

@drgnslayr It's kind of wild but I feel pretty good with Jamari being the 6th man.

I do, too. Jamari still has upside left in the tank, too. As his confidence grows, so will his game. I love his threat as a trey shooter. Teams will always give him that, thinking he can't make it. He can. I also think everytime he hits one of those the whole team gets excited about it.

People aren't really talking about this... but I see a team REALLY COMING TOGETHER as a team! These guys get excited for each other, and are unselfish. DP is expected to shoot often, but even he is unselfish.

If we can stay healthy and keep with this trajectory, we will be scary come March!

It looks like our games without DP... We really count on White, Council, and Bidunka. I think we have little margin of error. If one of these guys has a bad night, someone else has to pickup the stats. So far, I'm not feeling comfortable thinking the rest of the team can definitely take up the slack. I hope we get more consistency out of others. My first focus is on Tiller. If he can become just a bit more consistent on the stat sheet, it will help us tremendously!

I'm for him staying out until Big12 play

JMO... I don't think DP tweaked anything. I think he's just super sensitive to tightening and Self put down a rule on the max he can play in a game, plus, the option to pull him if he sees him labor. I think the media is just looking for a story.

Also... this does open up an easy path to keep him out of our upcoming cupcake games in preparation for Big12 play.

Yes.. he didn't go full tilt against NC-state... but an 80% DP is better than anyone on the court. As I mentioned long ago, we have never seen him play 100%.

I suspect, if everything goes well moving forward, we will have spurts of him going full tilt, but will never see him laying out there 100% for 35 minute game.

Just my opinion.

I'm okay if we go ahead and win out from here on out... with a different guy having a career night each game. Hmmm.... let's see... who is next? lol

@BeddieKU23

Nice post!

Yes... I think he is sort of next year's Bidunka we need to retain.

He doesn't have Bidunka's energy, which will be sorely missed, but he has a lot more offensive skills. I just saw an interview with him where he mentions they are trying to get him to play more aggressive, and push most into the paint for his baskets.

Bidunka is still very rough on the offensive side.

I think his draft stock is still pretty low. I expect him to stay in college another year or so.

I'm not even sure about Bidunka's draft stock. It's going to be a competitive year this year, and next year should not be this competitive (but who knows).

I also discovered we might challenge Mel's eligibility to try to keep him another year! Wow!

I'm excited to see us play NC-State. I do business with a lot of Wolfpack grads... so we better win! It will come down to perimeter defense, and with the speed we have we just need to put in a solid effort to limit their 3 percentage.

Tiller - I'm not expecting him to heat up from 3 soon, unless some things change. As I'm thinking back to the Duke game where he got hot, I think that was from the top of the key, where he usually isn't taking 3s now. He has an issue on his shot. When he catches the ball from a side, he makes it one motion with his shot. Even though it will take just an extra split-second... he needs to gather a bit. Bring the ball into his body, align on the basket, then go up and shoot. If he learns that, he will become a solid 3 shooter. I just don't see it right now with his current method.

@ROCKCHALK2025 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:

Conclusion? -- - should be easy enough to remedy -- three keys : Take care of the ball , we have done pretty good with that only 10.9 per

I'm 99% certain that has to do with having Vaughn on the bench.

This team doesn't play like any other team we've ever had, and part of that is how they are learning how to take care of the ball. Self always focused on aggressive defense and never really specifically focused on taking care of the rock. The reduction in TOs is because of Vaughn. He's teaching them how to pass... like... how to pass out of a double-team.

@Jayhawk_69 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:

Reportedly, Bill Self has said that Melvin Council has been "hands down" the MVP of the team so far. Thoughts?

Personally, I like Melvin a lot but I would give the nod to Tre.

I think Tre likes to be the silent assassin. Teams aren't focusing on him with double teams and their prime defender, so he can go get his almost at will. He's the best rebounding guard I think Kansas has ever had. And he's one of the few Jayhawks who understands how to draw fouls in our entire history. I acknowledge Frank and Devonte as being good at this, too... but not like Tre.

Mel is an energy/emotion guy! He turns it up most when receiving praise. And he does deserve plenty of praise!

I still can't get over Fran Fraschilla criticizing this group Self recruited from the portal. He always has to find something wrong with KU.

This will be a good test. Are we ready to start a new trend of winning on the road? It's one thing to win on a neutral court... and something completely different on their court.

We will have had several days rest and prep for this game, including the mixing of DP in the lineup. Just from the little bits of DP we've seen... he isn't going to be our quarterback. That position clearly goes to Melvin, who creates plenty of action to build his assist numbers. We need DP to score. There is a good article about Mel on kusports and how he has been the mvp of this team so far. I think DP will become that title eventually if he stays healthy because he'll get more pt and will get properly integrated in this team. Still... it will be close between these guys, while Tre does Tre. I said this weeks ago... he is our "silent assassin!" Melvin barks like a dog.. Tre bites! lol

@BShark said in Kansas Jayhawks vs Missouri Tigers Game Chat 12/7 12:00 CT:

@drgnslayr It's kind of wild but I feel pretty good with Jamari being the 6th man.

I do, too. Jamari still has upside left in the tank, too. As his confidence grows, so will his game. I love his threat as a trey shooter. Teams will always give him that, thinking he can't make it. He can. I also think everytime he hits one of those the whole team gets excited about it.

People aren't really talking about this... but I see a team REALLY COMING TOGETHER as a team! These guys get excited for each other, and are unselfish. DP is expected to shoot often, but even he is unselfish.

If we can stay healthy and keep with this trajectory, we will be scary come March!