Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread
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Might have to remove Udeh from your rotation predictions. Pains me to say it. We will see.
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@BShark said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Might have to remove Udeh from your rotation predictions. Pains me to say it. We will see.
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@BShark NOOOOOO! He has the best potential defensively.
I figured Zuby would transfer based on the tweets you’d mentioned not Udeh.
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@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@BShark NOOOOOO! He has the best potential defensively.
I figured Zuby would transfer based on the tweets you’d mentioned not Udeh.
Now that we are here I think Udeh is more likely. Bill will try to keep him though I am sure.
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Why couldn’t Udeh or Zuby redshirt this Season and stay/develop more ? - -Huner only gonna be here a year anyways
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In one of there threads, IIRC, someone said Zuby was developing ahead of Udeh before an injury. ???
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@BShark this is not right!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@BShark this is not right!
Would bet money we lose Udeh. He loves it here but his guardian thinks he is a starter.
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So self doesn’t develop anymore, just gets one yr guys from portal he can pay every yr?
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This is the new way. past wild wild west
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
So self doesn’t develop anymore, just gets one yr guys from portal he can pay every yr?
Udeh would stay, probably not up to him though.
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We are the new kentucky
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Nice lineup change! More TK…today hopefully.
Juan — assists and defense
Elmarko (Morris?) — scoring, slashing, hopefully some defense
Timberlake — shooting
Marcus Adams — shooting
Hunter — scoring, rebounding
Bench: Elmarko, KJ, Udeh
Can this lineup cut it defensively?
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@Gorilla72 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
In one of there threads, IIRC, someone said Zuby was developing ahead of Udeh before an injury. ???
He was, before Zuby got hurt last season, he was the one that started getting most of the back up minutes.
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@jayballer67 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Why couldn’t Udeh or Zuby redshirt this Season and stay/develop more ? - -Huner only gonna be here a year anyways
Hunter has 2 years of eligibility. Even if he didn’t come here, it was very likely that one of Udeh or Zuby would’ve transferred out anyway because they both wouldn’t be starters here.
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My personal preference if KU is indeed going to lose either Zuby or Udeh is to lose Udeh. I think he has the lower ceiling of the two. In his limited minutes, Zuby put up dominant rebounding numbers whereas Udeh was a below average rebounder, not as bad as KJ, not not that much better either. Zuby was also the much better shot blocker than Udeh was.
Udeh was a little ahead of Zuby offensively, but Zuby wasn’t bad at 65% from the field and was better at the FT line, although both were bad at the FT last season.
Personally, I think Zuby is the better overall prospect and has the higher ceiling between he and Udeh and my personal choice would be to keep Zuby and let Udeh find somewhere else if it comes to that.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Interesting. I can see what you are saying but to me Zuby is the safer prospect but Udeh has the higher ceiling. Udeh’s physical tools and athleticism give him the potential (ceiling) to turn into something great. Zuby can be and was already becoming a solid college big man who can be a strong rebounder and good finisher down low but there wasn’t the same spark when he was on the floor. He has yet to get me to the edge of my seat the way Udeh did in spurts last year. I’m sure the injury was a big part of that.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You getting them confused?
Udeh was the 6-11 guy who’d block shots (often get way out of position and whiff as well) and throw down some lobs.
Zuby may have rebounded better but Udeh had some quick hands getting steals at the top on switches a few times.
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@benshawks08 I agree. Zuby has a higher floor, but lower ceiling. Bill hates mistakes, so Zuby played early. Had he not got injured, I’m not sure Udeh would’ve got any run. I’m a fan of Udeh, I think he can be a star at this level if he stays four years. Zuby can be a McCormack level player in my estimation. Good enough to win you a national title, but not to carry you there. Pdg players
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@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 You getting them confused?
Udeh was the 6-11 guy who’d block shots (often get way out of position and whiff as well) and throw down some lobs.
Zuby may have rebounded better but Udeh had some quick hands getting steals at the top on switches a few times.
Zuby had a block rate of 12.5% while Udeh was 7.7% so no, I’m not getting them confused. Udeh may have made more highlight level plays than Zuby, but Zuby is much more consistent and sound on that end of the floor than Udeh is. Udeh is a flashier player no doubt, but big men like home haven’t necessarily torn the house down with scoring. Doke never averaged more than 13.7 ppg. Zuby can be a guy that can average a double-double by his senior season, I don’t see Udeh ever being that type of player because of his rebounding.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Doke never averaged more than 13.7 ppg.
I am sure most KU fans’ memories have built that higher in their minds!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I dunno, the eye test sure tells me Udeh is better than Zuby. Stats can be misleading sometimes and this might be one of those times. Consider this, a lot of Zuby’s minutes were early season against non-con schedule, some much easier opponents there that skew the numbers. 7 Rebs against ND St, 5 against Texas So. He did have 5 rebs against Duke which is great but also two TOs. Udeh logged 4 Blocks that Duke game! Many of Udeh’s minutes were in the heart of conference schedule and much tougher competition.
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@RockkChalkk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I dunno, the eye test sure tells me Udeh is better than Zuby. Stats can be misleading sometimes and this might be one of those times. Consider this, a lot of Zuby’s minutes were early season against non-con schedule, some much easier opponents there that skew the numbers. 7 Rebs against ND St, 5 against Texas So. He did have 5 rebs against Duke which is great but also two TOs. Udeh logged 4 Blocks that Duke game! Many of Udeh’s minutes were in the heart of conference schedule and much tougher competition.
The eye test also tells me that Zuby was getting the back up 5 minutes ahead of Udeh before he hurt his foot. Zuby’s best overall game of the season came against Indiana and Trayce Jackson-Davis who was a consensus 1st team All-American last season. His second best overall game was against OSU in the Big 12 opener.
A lot of Zuby’s advanced numbers on defense are very comparable to what Doke did as a freshman. One thing that Zuby has that’s not an easily teachable trait is instincts and Zuby was light years ahead of Udeh as far as defensive instincts go.
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@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 You getting them confused?
Udeh was the 6-11 guy who’d block shots (often get way out of position and whiff as well) and throw down some lobs.
Zuby may have rebounded better but Udeh had some quick hands getting steals at the top on switches a few times.
I will say this - it DID seem like he came up with more steals from a guy that size that you wouldn’t think about. - -I really hate to lose either one of these guys though is they both 4 year players, and w have seen thee types develop before into pretty solid payers - -( umm does Azulbuike ring a bell lol- - McCormack ? ) – I know like some have said I GUESS it’s a business but these are suck likeable guys.
Kida wonder with all these transferring out - -and then guys who really didn’t want to leave it seems ( Cuffe ) - kinda pushed out , just wonder some where down the line this doesn’t come back and bite us in the ass
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Back to the original purpose of this thread. New line up with Hunter Dickinson involved now for me would be:
Starters G: Harris G: Morris G: Timberlake F: KJ Adams C: Dickinson
Bench Rotation G: Jackson F: Marcus Adams F: Udeh/Ejiofor
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@jayballer67 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 You getting them confused?
Udeh was the 6-11 guy who’d block shots (often get way out of position and whiff as well) and throw down some lobs.
Zuby may have rebounded better but Udeh had some quick hands getting steals at the top on switches a few times.
I will say this - it DID seem like he came up with more steals from a guy that size that you wouldn’t think about. - -I really hate to lose either one of these guys though is they both 4 year players, and w have seen thee types develop before into pretty solid payers - -( umm does Azulbuike ring a bell lol- - McCormack ? ) – I know like some have said I GUESS it’s a business but these are suck likeable guys.
Kida wonder with all these transferring out - -and then guys who really didn’t want to leave it seems ( Cuffe ) - kinda pushed out , just wonder some where down the line this doesn’t come back and bite us in the ass
The long term issue with having both Ejiofor and Udeh is they play the same position, amd were in the same class. One would eventually transfer out anyway over a lack of playing time. This is why coach generally like have their depth staggered in regards to player at the same position as opposed to two guys in the same class like we have with these two.
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@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
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@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
Done and done!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Back to the original purpose of this thread. New line up with Hunter Dickinson involved now for me would be:
Starters G: Harris G: Morris G: Timberlake F: KJ Adams C: Dickinson
Bench Rotation G: Jackson F: Marcus Adams F: Udeh/Ejiofor
Timberlake at the 3 guy ?
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@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
That would be my #1 target
esp if another player in the fold exits.
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Maybe jumping the gun a little bit, but it seems fairly likely Mgbako will be a Jayhawk on Friday so an updated projection.
Starters:
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- Mgbako
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Rotation players
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
F- Udeh
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
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@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
Ok let’s say this ALL together lol - -KEVIN IS NOT I repeat- - NOT COMING BACK - -there now don’t you feel better lol
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I think a million dollar reduction in salary is crazy high. Heck if they fired him he could probably collect better than that even if the U protested.
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For what it’s worth, I wonder if the freshmen will get a lot of play early to acclimatize themselves to KU ball and (later) AFH. There’s not much at stake in Puerto Rico and the exhibition game. It could build “team”. Then we see “the best of the best”. Thoughts?
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I know it’s not likely to happen, but it’d still argue that KJ needs to come off the bench. By the looks of Self’s offseason take charge attitude, I think he’s ready to move on from KJ as a starter.
Starters:
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- Timberlake
F- Mgbako
C- Dickinson
Rotation players
G- Jackson
wing/big - KJ
F- Marcus Adams
F- Udeh
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
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@Gorilla72 yeah I expect a VERY long bench in PR. Reduce the risks of getting anyone hurt
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I know it’s not likely to happen, but it’d still argue that KJ needs to come off the bench. By the looks of Self’s offseason take charge attitude, I think he’s ready to move on from KJ as a starter.
Starters:
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- Timberlake
F- Mgbako
C- Dickinson
Rotation players
G- Jackson
wing/big - KJ
F- Marcus Adams
F- Udeh
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
I think wee gonna see El Marko over Morris
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Well, that lock of getting MM was a bit off the mark! So, just like going into last year, i have concerns about 3 pt shooting with this roster.
Back to this lineup:
Starters
G- Dajuan Harris
G- Arterio Morris
F- Nicolas Timberlake (it’s all i can do to NOT call him Justin!)
F- KJ Adams (somebody has to play here)
C- Hunter Dickinson (better not be a freaking bust!)
Rotation players
G - Elmarko Jackson
Wing - Marcus Adams Jr.
Needed: A backup big
Deep Bench (we’ll see if they are deep, or less deep)
G- Chris Johnson
G- Jamari McDowell
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With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
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What quality 5 is going to come here and play less then 10 minutes a game?
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@jayballer67 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
Ok let’s say this ALL together lol - -KEVIN IS NOT I repeat- - NOT COMING BACK - -there now don’t you feel better lol
This didn’t age well.
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@RockkChalkk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
This didn’t age well.
Only one of many comments made with certainty. Not very fair to pick just this one! Remembering one from early March last year, for example…
It’s almost as if players’ free will adds some unpredictability to these things.
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@mayjay said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
It’s almost as if players’ free will adds some unpredictability to these things.
PHOF.
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@RockkChalkk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@jayballer67 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk lets add McCullar and call it a wrap.
Ok let’s say this ALL together lol - -KEVIN IS NOT I repeat- - NOT COMING BACK - -there now don’t you feel better lol
This didn’t age well.
LMAO - - -no it didn’t did it - - - and couldn’t be happier that it didn’t-- huge day for the Hawks
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@jayballer67 ha. Cheers buddy!
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@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@jayballer67 ha. Cheers buddy!
yes indeed - -great day – makes my day, Kevin is so solid, no great but really , really , really, good
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@BeddieKU23 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
What quality 5 is going to come here and play less then 10 minutes a game?
Grant Nelson in an ideal world, but beyond that not likely someone withdrawing from the draft, but someone coming up from a low major looking for more exposure even in limited minutes.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
Would think that with that line-up, opponents would pack the lane and take their chances on us making outside shots. One way to counter would be to have Dickinson play the high role where he can make shots and he is a good passer. Kevin or KJ could post up smaller guys.
And, I would also expect quite a few more line-up changes during a game than in the past year. I would be surprised to see both KJ and Hunter playing a lot of minutes together, given that KJ is really the only back up 5 option right now. At least if there are quick fouls on either. A lot depends on Marcus’ development, esp. if we don’t get a Nelson or similar.
But, at least we should be able to generate a lot more scoring from the bench than this year…
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I’m celebrating McCullars return. It’s way too early to bemoan shooting problems. These guys are working hard on their shooting, I’m sure. There will be positive surprises…
