Talent Wins Games
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@mayjay said in Talent Wins Games:
This crappy coaching job still has managed somehow to go 17-3 against the hardest schedule in the nation.
Not a comment on the coaching, but just our record against the “hardest schedule in the nation.” Our schedule strength is wholly a reflection of the fact that all the teams we’ve played are at least decent, to good, as well as the fact that all B12 are ranked fairly high (were all top 60 in Kenpom). I’m not sure there is a Quad 4 team in the bunch - probably only a few Quads 3. BUT - how many wins do we have against teams that are potentially second weekend tournament teams? 2 - MSU and TTU. One, the first game of the season and one in 2OT at home. How many teams have we even played that are likely at-large selections? Just UK, MSU, TTU, ISU and maybe Iona and one of OU or WVU. That’s it. We got hammered by UK, barely split against TTU, and we’ll see after tomorrow with ISU. Other than that, we’ve only beaten the bottom half of the league so far.
The point is that I’m not sure that we are even close to as good as our record - and statistical strength of schedule - suggests. At least we haven’t yet proven it against many tournament caliber teams.
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Yea just think how easily they could be 15-5 or 14-6. KSU, TTU and ISU all could have gone another way.
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If you want “the sky is actually falling” visit the phog board. The absolute coaching failure thread has some pure gold.
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This reminds me of my time at Michigan. Spoiled fan base for certain!
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@BeddieKU23 said in Talent Wins Games:
If you want “the sky is actually falling” visit the phog board. The absolute coaching failure thread has some pure gold.
ya been there - - done that , wasn’t necessarily limiting my post to this site - -PHOG is absolutely ridiculous -I’ve read their little posts, like stated like a Spoiled little fan base Golden spooned. for God’s sakes teams are going to get beat- -and badly on given days. If people didn’t realize that this was a very easily scenario then they were just hidding behind Apron strings - -people should of seen this coming. - -It’s NOT the end of the world. We just flat ass got beat by a better club that day & chances are we will get a whuppin pretty good AGAIN somewhere down the line. - -Next yr we get reinforcement’s very well might not be that way.
Like I said not limited to this site there are just some people who aren’t happy unless they win every game zero turnovers , zero fouls , and out rebound opponents every game… - As far as the Coaching part itself I’ll still take Coach anytime of the week. Day in - -Day out. there have been just to many occasions during his career his winning % against other ranked opponent where he has won I’m not questioning his reasoning/ability/ decisions to lead the team . When a guy has a 297-18 winning % of 94.3 % at home and many of those coming against other ranked teams - -sometimes highly ranked teams & I’m sure even during those times I’m sure there are some idiots STILL questioning WHY he didn’t play this player or that player in certain times even though we won Questioning Coach’s deciding players minutes. - - IF a guy is winning 94.3 % of his games at the Phog and hate to think what his overall winning % is - -I’M NOT QUESTIONING the guys Coaching’s decisions.
Therre is a reason he is at where he is at and we are at where we are at, and a lot of it is knowledge of the games and situations of the game. - Let me be perfectly clear again I’m not saying you or even some others here are the whiners-- but generally overall it’s just insane the way some think
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@jayballer67 you’ve been warning us of an impending Kentucky beat down for weeks.
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Highs and Lows of following your favorite team. It’s a message board(s) where people express what they feel, what they want. We all are passionate, maybe even get heated, say things we don’t actually mean and that’s easy when things go badly as they did Saturday. When things are cookin’ and wins are piling up its easy to relax a bit and enjoy. When you lose by 18, not so much.
The blowouts seem to bring out more views since it usually only occurs when KU doesn’t play well for all or a majority of the game. We’ve had some pretty bad losses in recent memory, some in the regular season, some in the post-season. As the original post hits on, we just need some dudes and looks like we have a recruiting class that is expected of a blue-blood program. Would be nice if we sustained those classes. I think Self can maintain and get some more success landing more recruiting classes like this one and sprinkling in some good transfers.
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@BeddieKU23 I do visit, and they are on tilt. But it’s always on tilt…it doesn’t take a loss to send them over the edge.
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I read over there too for giggles, agree and good way to put it. Savages over there
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@approxinfinity said in Talent Wins Games:
@jayballer67 you’ve been warning us of an impending Kentucky beat down for weeks.
I & BShark siad as much. Not really a knock but this team just not as talented and a lot of clos games just several factors buddy it sucked I agree but I mean the sun still came up the next day Kentucky is good , they got length - - they got a pure outside shooter , and they have Oscar on top of the fact I just think we was living on borrowed time. - Thanks for the your input buddy
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@BeddieKU23 said in Talent Wins Games:
Highs and Lows of following your favorite team. It’s a message board(s) where people express what they feel, what they want. We all are passionate, maybe even get heated, say things we don’t actually mean and that’s easy when things go badly as they did Saturday. When things are cookin’ and wins are piling up its easy to relax a bit and enjoy. When you lose by 18, not so much.
The blowouts seem to bring out more views since it usually only occurs when KU doesn’t play well for all or a majority of the game. We’ve had some pretty bad losses in recent memory, some in the regular season, some in the post-season. As the original post hits on, we just need some dudes and looks like we have a recruiting class that is expected of a blue-blood program. Would be nice if we sustained those classes. I think Self can maintain and get some more success landing more recruiting classes like this one and sprinkling in some good transfers.
Very well stated buddy Thank you appreciated much
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@Kcmatt7 said in Talent Wins Games:
Yea just think how easily they could be 15-5 or 14-6. KSU, TTU and ISU all could have gone another way.
And Dayton and the first tech game also could have gone either way and we’d be a one loss team…
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@DCHawker exactly 17-3 is awesome but also some smoke and mirrors if we watched the games.
We saw what the sec just did to the big 12 and it wasn’t pretty. Chances a big 12 makes a final four is diminishing as Baylor isn’t a final four team without lj cryer.
Kudos those to our guys for showing toughness to comeback against kstate and hanging on in double OT against tech.
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@kuballin10 said in Talent Wins Games:
@DCHawker exactly 17-3 is awesome but also some smoke and mirrors if we watched the games.
We saw what the sec just did to the big 12 and it wasn’t pretty. Chances a big 12 makes a final four is diminishing as Baylor isn’t a final four team without lj cryer.
Kudos those to our guys for showing toughness to comeback against kstate and hanging on in double OT against tech.
I’m not sure how much I would read into the games with the SEC. Every home team won, except the Hawks. IF we had held serve it would have been 5-5. The 4 teams that didn’t play are from the bottom half of the conference, including GA, which is just bad.
I do think their best 2 are better than ours - clearly more athletic. But, I might give a slight edge to our top 6 compared to theirs. Then, a slight edge back to them for their top 10 against all of ours.
Regardless, they are conferences with the most quality nonconference wins and teams capable of making E8 or FF runs.
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@DCHawker I agree with you on that. They are top heavy and better athletic conference.
We have probably a better mix of teams but all with not as high of ceilings.
I don’t like the narrative Self didn’t amp up our guys because Frank and graham went in and upset tucky a few years ago was an incredible game.
We just didn’t have the horses.
Taking from the other site scroll down look at those pictures tech’s guy literally has his back to Harris there is no see man see ball even geez https://247sports.com/college/kansas/board/103719/Contents/why-isnt-remy-in-the-game-181382985/?page=27
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I’ve all but quit posting on the Phog hoops board. Absolute toxic mess over there. Still DM some posters and limit my consumption to the football board. Small, but dedicated and generally pleasant group over there.
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@FarmerJayhawk Some absolute banger threads after the UK game.
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I’ve delivered a few lumps to you coming in here with some big ideas… but I’m glad you are stirring the pot in here. We all need fresh ideas. Overall, I’m a big Self fan for many reasons… not all his coaching on the floor. But I have a critical side, too.
I’m not sure the right direction with Remy. Self’s approach is defense first. And… if he lets everything go by him we will never have the potential to defend because defense is a team sport. One bad defender kind of blows it for everyone.
There are a lot of dynamics involved when bringing in a new guy and thinking you can just hand the keys to team over to him. I’m yet to see an example anywhere where the guy coming in didn’t have to earn cred first.
I am seeing some of your argument on how Remy has been coached here… but I still don’t think it’s that simple. None of us in here are on the team and know how practice goes and how the guys connect exactly on the court and off.
I’m curious… you just showed up in here. Might you consider giving us all a proper intro. You don’t need to post your real name. But how about some bio info… where did you grow up… experience with the game… etc. Let’s make this a little more personal and not all Xs and Os. I’m curious if you are from the Midwest. Just my opinion here… but I think part of Self’s popularity is his Midwest mannerism. He talks in Midwest sentences and thoughts. I am from this area so I understand him easily.
I grew up here but visited Southern California in my youth summers… and I was all about UCLA and Wooden. I got a good taste of Wooden’s approach. Teaching players how to tie their hightops (back when you laced them up), etc. etc. Walton shows up to practice in his pajamas. I venture to say that Self wouldn’t appreciate a gag like that and someone would buy a lot of pine for pulling a stunt like that around him.
What I’m getting at is… give us some background on yourself and lets put the dots together.
Thanks…
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@BShark good lookin well spoken kid.
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Play him Bill let him grow instill confidence in him. Be hard on him when he messes up but man push him when he gets it…if only we can see practice and the mental games
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@tis4tim he’s still blind lol
I took that more as kudos going around to most of the guys who played because that was a huge win in a tough environment
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@kuballin10 said in Talent Wins Games:
I took that more as kudos going around to most of the guys who played because that was a huge win in a tough environment
I can buy that. Seems like Braun or Wilson deserved more of a shout out though.
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Is he any good??
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@BeddieKU23 The ladies seem to think so. They all call his name…
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Talent Wins Games:
I’ve all but quit posting on the Phog hoops board. Absolute toxic mess over there.
Yup. Me too. Just unpleasant. Only a few over here I’ve blocked…
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Matchups matter in March.
We are not without flaws, but so are others. The flaw revealed by UK was simply talent and athleticism. The good news is that no team can make that adjustment in March. They will have what they have. The bad news is the the NCAA committee will now know where to find our kryptonite.
Nonetheless, there aren’t that many teams that can bring the talent that UK brings. We should be able to get to the second weekend before any kryptonite teams are in our path.
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I don’t think self prepped much for that game. If we see them again, we will be better, not saying we can beat them, but better.
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They also shot 60% plus for a majority of the game. Don’t think that kinda shooting would happen again
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As I recall, part of the reason they shot 60% was because they had their way with us in the paint (dunks and lots of offensive rebound/putbacks).
I remember when we were that kind of team. We just don’t have the personnel this season.
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Yeah Brooks made a lot of short range jumpers too. Oscar made long 2’s, same for Wheeler. Those 3 shot above their pay grade. Happens
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Plays dont score the players do Guards win in March
This thread has and will always hold true
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So it’s February 9… and Remy still seems off in the distant future. At a certain point, even if he comes back, just how much can we see him help our team? He definitely seems like a better personal offensive threat than Joseph… but we weren’t focused on him getting shots before he went down. It seems like we’ve got adequate firepower now.
March is just a few weeks away. And it doesn’t sound like Remy will be back this week, or probably next week. I don’t expect he will ever dribble a KU basketball at 100%.
I hope Joseph continues to get reasonable minutes because he looks like a very important piece to our puzzle moving forward. We should still expect his play to improve because more play gets him into the offensive/defensive stream.
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Just play Joe. He’s 100% healthy and there’s no drama. Kid just wants an opportunity to earn his keep.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Talent Wins Games:
Just play Joe. He’s 100% healthy and there’s no drama. Kid just wants an opportunity to earn his keep.
for sure needs to play
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Nothing to do with this tweet BUT - - -good ol CJ ya good ol CJ. - -he was on the local sports broadcast here in Topeka talking about to KU fans OH - - hold off on making plans , talking about Iowa gonna be the one coming out of our region and KU wouldn’t be going anywhere. - -Well CJ ol buddy where the hell is Iowa NOW? - I can tell where they will be - -they gonna be in the stands watching KU continue to play - - that’s where lmao
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I’m still really high on Zach. If he gets stronger, he will eventually be our leading rebounder. He has the scent for it like Jalen does.
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Good lord, he has come along. Him and Gradey is a very problematic pairing for opponents if it happens.
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@BShark said in Talent Wins Games:
Good lord, he has come along. Him and Gradey is a very problematic pairing for opponents if it happens.
There’s also a decent chance only one of them starts next year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 yeah, that will be incredible if it happens.
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So that’s MJ Rice. my first look at him. Dude looks strong! From what i’d read previously, i’d pictured a different player. I thought he’d be more of a wiggins/josh jackson type. Looks totally different. gotta change my perspective! 6-5 for real? Not a knock, but doesn’t look close to that. (again my Josh/wiggs brain at work)
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Talent Wins Games:
So that’s MJ Rice. my first look a him. Dude looks strong! From what i’d read previously, i’d pictured a different player. I thought he’d be more of a wiggins/josh jackson type. Looks totally different. gotta change my perspective! 6-5 for real? Not a knock, but doesn’t look close that that. (again my Josh/wiggs brain at work)
The best KU comparison is Selden IMO.
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Looks like he lost some weight since last fall. Hopefully he’s quick enough to play the 2
