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@BeddieKU23 That doesn’t make Self look very good.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@BeddieKU23 That doesn’t make Self look very good.
Would you care to explain how?
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@BeddieKU23 I take that quote as Self deflecting a bit to not throw KU under the NCAA and IARP bus anymore than he has to and because Self also tends to be pretty self depreciating at times and that reads like one of those times. Remember that part of why KU is under investigation is because of a player that received a brand new car either before he arrived on campus or shortly after arriving prior to NIL making stuff like that okay. KU hiring Altius Sports to oversee the NIL program means there’s going to be plenty of NIL money for athletes at KU.
For more evidence that KU’s NIL program is in a good place, look at two recruits in the 2023 class that have interest in KU, Mikey Williams and Bronny James. Those two have massive social media followings and will likely be going wherever they can make the most money, whether that’s professional or NIL money. Both names have been connected to KU as a possible destination which says KU can offer each of them a very strong NIL deal to come to KU.
Also, look at someone like Cam Martin. Why did he choose to not transfer out after the season and go somewhere he could star and get all the playing time he wants? NIL money is probably the answer to that question.
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From all I’ve seen and heard KU players did really well with NIL this year especially with the Championship post tour run. I see KU making innovative moves to stay competitive in the shark infested waters. It was though interesting to hear it from Self that he doesn’t think its where it needs to be to compete in this climate.
I think our recent title is why Mikey & Bronny are interested. Looks good for their brand. Doesn’t hurt KU at all either if they show love.
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@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
It has changed to be that, yes. Both Grady Dick and Jalen Wilson both have agents. They probably aren’t the only KU players who do.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
Yes, it has changed that much. I believe one of the big reasons the Big 12 ended up hiring Yormark as commissioner is his familiarity with NIL as his previous job was with Jay-Z’s sports agency which has NCAA certified agents. In regards to players having agents and getting new cars, as long as that player has an NIL deal with a dealership, getting a car is part of that deal. Quin Ewers who just transferred to Texas is now driving a brand new Aston Martin thanks to the NIL deals he signed.
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Self is simply trying to portray KU as “behind” in NIL stuff in order to imply we weren’t already giving kids extra benefits.
For a more concise expression of this sentiment, review the police captain’s surprise that gambling was going on in Rick’s joint in Casablanca.
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I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
Boosters can give to current players for NIL. The way they’re getting around is saying hey these are the types of opportunities we offer players like you wink wink
Texas Tech is a good example of how this works in practice. Donors have pledged to provide all football players a $20k annual stipend. They’ll absolutely use that on the recruiting trail and say hey kid, come here and it’s $20k in your pocket as long as you’re at Tech. So they aren’t providing inducements per se, but that’s a big part of their recruiting pitch.
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Can’t we start a “KUBuckets Player Assist Program” and essentially raise funds and dish them out to players for use of their likeness in our blog?
Seems like we can just add a donation button to this site and start a fund. (hint)
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
Can’t we start a “KUBuckets Player Assist Program” and essentially raise funds and dish them out to players for use of their likeness in our blog?
Seems like we can just add a donation button to this site and start a fund. (hint)
Dang, Dragon… For a second there i thought you were going to help us poor KU buckets participants!
$$$
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
Boosters can give to current players for NIL. The way they’re getting around is saying hey these are the types of opportunities we offer players like you wink wink
Texas Tech is a good example of how this works in practice. Donors have pledged to provide all football players a $20k annual stipend. They’ll absolutely use that on the recruiting trail and say hey kid, come here and it’s $20k in your pocket as long as you’re at Tech. So they aren’t providing inducements per se, but that’s a big part of their recruiting pitch.
My brain hurts trying to figure out this NIL stuff, Farmer! But coaches and universities can’t discuss NIL stuff during recruiting, right?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
My brain hurts trying to figure out this NIL stuff
I have decided not to worry about it. My view of basketball is that it is a fun sport to watch, and agonizing about all the other crap going on is not worth it. (That is becoming my view of a lot of things!)
Que sera sera 
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Interesting that ESPN never covered the Self/Townsend stay at home during recruiting story. More interesting is Dick Vitale commenting that all charges should be dropped: https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-basketball-violations-NCAA-should-drop-Jayhawks-recruiting-case-Dick-Vitale-says-190507204/.
So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm…
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It’s summer and the Coach K 30 for 30 isn’t done yet.
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm…
The retirement of iconic coaches hurts their TV revenue. Suddenly… Self is needed!
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I know this sounds soooo wrong… but…
Can we start a “pre-fund” for Chris Johnson to help him out if he declares to KU?
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So while awaiting the NCAA to pull their thumbs from their butts and punish us for something legal today… we hire an Adidas staffer to run our NIL program. lol
Here is an idea we should consider for Late Night… forget bringing in rappers. Bring in Jo Koy and he will crack up everyone with his tilt on college sports!
Best idea I’ve had in ages! lol
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
Interesting that ESPN never covered the Self/Townsend stay at home during recruiting story. More interesting is Dick Vitale commenting that all charges should be dropped: https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-basketball-violations-NCAA-should-drop-Jayhawks-recruiting-case-Dick-Vitale-says-190507204/.
So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm…
It’s not necessarily ESPN being on our side. Vitale’s comments are in line with his views of wanting NCAA issues to be resolved quickly. We are now beginning year 4 since the NCAA allegations were delivered to KU so that’s what Vitale is taking issue with.
I would also be very surprised if there’s a post season ban for KU at this point since all players involved are long gone and the NCAA is shifting towards not punishing current players with postseason bans for issues this old. I could see Self being suspended a season happening, and I’ve thought all along that Townsend wouldn’t survive this and I still believe that will end up being the case with him.
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@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
It’s summer and the Coach K 30 for 30 isn’t done yet.
SNORT…lmao…that’s a good one!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Vitale did a 180, so you might be on to something. It’s just surprising to get the Dook treatment from ESPN.
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
So while awaiting the NCAA to pull their thumbs from their butts and punish us for something legal today… we hire an Adidas staffer to run our NIL program. lol
Here is an idea we should consider for Late Night… forget bringing in rappers. Bring in Jo Koy and he will crack up everyone with his tilt on college sports!
Best idea I’ve had in ages! lol
As long as it’s not Snoop Dog and stripper poles…
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Vitale did a 180, so you might be on to something. It’s just surprising to get the Dook treatment from ESPN.
Vitale did not do a 180 and this isn’t KU getting treated like Duke by ESPN. Vitale’s statement made zero mention about the innocence or guilt of KU in regard to the violations and didn’t come from an article on ESPN’s website, at least not an easily accessible one that I’m aware of. His statement was complaining about how long it’s taking the NCAA/IARP to rule on these cases. We’re not far away, about 2 months, from KU’s case entering into it’s 4th year without a resolution. That’s Vitale’s issue and is independent of what school is involved with a case being dragged out that long be it KU, Memphis, LSU, or NC State before they finally received their penalties.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m not going to argue about it- I know what what he said, and what I heard, and there’s nothing either of us can do to change each other’s minds about it.
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@Jethro Prove to me how this statement goes against Vitale’s long held beliefs that current players shouldn’t be penalized by the NCAA for the crimes of previous players no longer involved in the program?
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
As long as it’s not Snoop Dog and stripper poles…
Maybe we bring in Jay-Z now that his boy is running our conference!
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Vitale’s tweet quoted in that article does not say a word specifically about KU, and is only about the “absurd” length of time the “cases” are taking. The 247 article is simply directed toward the KU audience.
Definitely not a 360!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:
@Jethro Prove to me how this statement goes against Vitale’s long held beliefs that current players shouldn’t be penalized by the NCAA for the crimes of previous players no longer involved in the program?
Mayjay cleared it up. Vitale didn’t mention Kansas. I read the Vitale Wants Charges against KU dropped headline without pursing the article close enough. Vitale was talking in general about all teams, not KU. No 180. And I was informed elsewhere that ESPN didn’t run the Bill/Townsend story because in the big scope of things we’re down on the ESPN pecking order. That’s 2 losses for my theory. So, I engaged in wishful thinking about a case that has been lingering like a disease over our heads for 5 years- I wanted it to be true, even though it wasn’t…lol.
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Memphis didn’t get jack for Wiseman. @HighEliteMajor is gonna be so mad when all we get is a fine and some probation
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What does the “probation” mean?
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@RockkChalkk don’t mess up again or you’ll get buried
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@RockkChalkk don’t mess up again or you’ll get buried
Was listening to local sports radio. - They was comparing KU/Memphis and the things that pretty much the same. - - -KU just like Memphis Coach’s have stayed persistent that they were not awar of certain things. That’s what Hardaway said and the IARP decided in favor of him - - No penalities on Haraway -Memphis no post season ban, on probation till 2025 - - but the fines they have to pay is laughable - comes to 1/4 of 1 % - -then think they said 50,000 shoot that is just a spit in the bucket.
I dunno just all in all I mean sounds like you can take it either way , but it’s sounding like a lot more possibility of this all not really amounting to much. They were talking about even if Self gets suspended like 12 games or ballpark - - KU would be ok , you dealing with like Decembre 1st part of January Case & the Other assistant’s could take care of that - -we wouldn’t be in the meat of Conference - -gona be interesting - -let’s just get this dam thing over with - -bring drug out way to long
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I take the Memphis ruling as a positive for KU. Memphis was clearly handed a slap on the wrist after making some interesting decisions at the time of the whole Wiseman saga.
Whether anyone should care now that almost all of this is legal anyway is another discussion. If the NCAA/IARP makes all of these cases go away in similar manner they may have finally done something right
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YIKES
According to this CBS report KU hasn’t had their hearing with the IARP & timeline for completion is looking at Summer 2023
but NCAA Vice President of Hearing Operations, Derrick Crawford, told the media on a call Tuesday that the four – Louisville, Arizona, Kansas and LSU – are on track to be resolved in “late spring, early summer of 2023.” Louisville and Arizona have completed their hearings while Kansas and LSU have not, suggesting they may be ahead in the queue.
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@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
YIKES
According to this CBS report KU hasn’t had their hearing with the IARP & timeline for completion is looking at Summer 2023
but NCAA Vice President of Hearing Operations, Derrick Crawford, told the media on a call Tuesday that the four – Louisville, Arizona, Kansas and LSU – are on track to be resolved in “late spring, early summer of 2023.” Louisville and Arizona have completed their hearings while Kansas and LSU hot, suggesting they may be ahead in the queue.
I mean HOLY CRAP come on you guys have turn this whole thing into a circus. - -Summer of 2023 ? - -You can’t tell me that your still collecting facts/information- -make the fricken ruling for Christs sakes.- I’ve got a 1 year old pit that could make the ruling faster then that. - - Christmas comes once a year - - IARP rulings comes once every TWO years lets get real here enough is enough.
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Fer crissakes. The never ending movie.
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Is Self back to recruiting?
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This protracted deliberation might be the punishment.
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@Gorilla72 Yes, he is back out recruiting.
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https://www.si.com/college/2022/09/27/memphis-basketball-ncaa-penny-hardaway-wiseman
Memphis made it difficult on IARP… I believe we have been playing ball with IARP. Any bets on who will be punished more?
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@drgnslayr NO
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I’m still trying to understand our self-imposed punishment… this didn’t help -
Why do I still have a bad feeling we will be treated worst by IARP… especially now that we have basically admitted guilt! We’ve thrown a lifeline to this entire stupid process and it still remaining after basically eliminating all these violations with new NIL structure.
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I’m still trying to understand our self-imposed punishment… this didn’t help -
Why do I still have a bad feeling we will be treated worst by IARP… especially now that we have basically admitted guilt!
at this point - -nothing will surprise me. - one reason I feel we might get hit , if at all possible and you know they will try their dam hardest – if at all possible they want to lay the hammer to us. - -The NCAa has a hardon for us as we have rippled the waters with them - -challenged them more then once , they don’t like boat rockers -so if they can they want us so bad it makes them wet
IF the NCAA could screw some blue blood JUST ONCE they would be in 7 th heaven saying see - - -we showed you -were th NCAA don’t mess with us , thats what they want. – So I’m right there with you- -could go either way but won’t be shocked if they do
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1603065430809223169
KU will be skating free I imagine…
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