IARP update
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Not worried about this.
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Take a vacation to not recruit a historically bad class? Idk the wisdom of it since it’ll depend on whether we get any credit for it from the IARP, but right now I’m inclined to say it’s a big old nothingburger. KU is very tight lipped about it.
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Days like today I miss HEM coming here and saying why this is THE sign we’re about to get nailed to the wall and Self should’ve been gone years ago. Good times.
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@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:
@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
I would tend to agree with this. I am surprised we are even giving an inch at this point.
I guess we’ll see, at some point, maybe? Historically programs that have self-imposed penalties don’t get brownie points with the NCAA
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The report also made it sound as if Self & T were held out during Spring recruiting period as well.
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Could it be that this is part of a yet-unannounced IARP settlement? KU is getting this out of the way while still having a great incoming class that will cover 2023-24 well with only transfers? Just a thought….
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@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:
@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
I would tend to agree with this. I am surprised we are even giving an inch at this point.
I guess we’ll see, at some point, maybe? Historically programs that have self-imposed penalties don’t get brownie points with the NCAA
My gut reaction is this is part of a settlement. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if the penalties are very minor. We pushed back so hard, I’m thinking the NCAA just wants to be done with it. I’ll put the wishful thinking cap on, and hope for the best.
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It sounds like KU has their NIL program running pretty strongly now which is huge positive if Self and KT aren’t out traveling to recruit.
This also doesn’t look like it’ll be a very big class for KU as far as numbers go. Cam Martin and Jalen Wilson are the only two I’d prepare to lose for sure and then prepare for the potential of McCullar, Dick, and Rice although I don’t think all 3 leave. As weak as the 2023 class is overall, Self’s probably going to lean much more heavily on the transfer market than HS kids to replace those who leave after this season.
Overall, I don’t think this move will have a significant impact on KU’s recruiting for 2023 because I think it’ll a more transfer heavy class than HS heavy class due to the overall weakness of this class.
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Honestly, speculation is just useless during this invisible IARP “process”.
It completely sucks. An embarrassment for the NCAA and years of torment for all the schools still waiting for a ruling.
I truly can’t believe they haven’t aborted this entire thing, or at the very least realized they need to hire more people to handle the workload. How hard can that be???
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At this point it’s like prosecuting a dude for having a little weed on him in downtown Denver circa 2007.
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But if I did react to the Self/Townsend recruiting news…
I’d say it doesn’t appear to be a good sign they’ve been benched.
KU has been fighting this every step of the way (as far as we know). Self-imposing a penalty (no pun intended) can be read no other way than admitting guilt of some sort.
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I made some brownies, the illustration goes, which were made with the traditional ingredients but a bird flew through the house and pooped in the mix and so we just baked it right into the brownies. Who’d like some brownies? I mean it’s just a little bit of poop, probably won’t even taste it.
If Bill Self pooped on the recruiting trail even a little bit (sorry this is getting weird) then it’s hard for me to stomach. However, someone’s gonna have to show evidence that he’s guilty indeed, and after 5 years the brownies have gotten stale and I don’t want to eat them anyway. The tainted brownies should have been served up last decade if that’s what was in the oven. Now, beyond ridiculous, particularly when you look at when the alleged infractions took place.
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We haven’t even had the IARP hearing yet, acc to the article.
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Quote from Self recently…
Self: “Let’s just call it like it is. If you go to a school and you’re not driving a brand-new car within the first month that you’re there, then someone’s not doing their job. … All of the kids can have agents now. Everybody can have an agent. … It’s out of control. It hasn’t been out of control (at Kansas). We’re actually quite a bit behind, I think. Hopefully, we’ll get caught up.”
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@BeddieKU23 That doesn’t make Self look very good.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@BeddieKU23 That doesn’t make Self look very good.
Would you care to explain how?
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@BeddieKU23 I take that quote as Self deflecting a bit to not throw KU under the NCAA and IARP bus anymore than he has to and because Self also tends to be pretty self depreciating at times and that reads like one of those times. Remember that part of why KU is under investigation is because of a player that received a brand new car either before he arrived on campus or shortly after arriving prior to NIL making stuff like that okay. KU hiring Altius Sports to oversee the NIL program means there’s going to be plenty of NIL money for athletes at KU.
For more evidence that KU’s NIL program is in a good place, look at two recruits in the 2023 class that have interest in KU, Mikey Williams and Bronny James. Those two have massive social media followings and will likely be going wherever they can make the most money, whether that’s professional or NIL money. Both names have been connected to KU as a possible destination which says KU can offer each of them a very strong NIL deal to come to KU.
Also, look at someone like Cam Martin. Why did he choose to not transfer out after the season and go somewhere he could star and get all the playing time he wants? NIL money is probably the answer to that question.
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From all I’ve seen and heard KU players did really well with NIL this year especially with the Championship post tour run. I see KU making innovative moves to stay competitive in the shark infested waters. It was though interesting to hear it from Self that he doesn’t think its where it needs to be to compete in this climate.
I think our recent title is why Mikey & Bronny are interested. Looks good for their brand. Doesn’t hurt KU at all either if they show love.
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@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
It has changed to be that, yes. Both Grady Dick and Jalen Wilson both have agents. They probably aren’t the only KU players who do.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
Yes, it has changed that much. I believe one of the big reasons the Big 12 ended up hiring Yormark as commissioner is his familiarity with NIL as his previous job was with Jay-Z’s sports agency which has NCAA certified agents. In regards to players having agents and getting new cars, as long as that player has an NIL deal with a dealership, getting a car is part of that deal. Quin Ewers who just transferred to Texas is now driving a brand new Aston Martin thanks to the NIL deals he signed.
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Self is simply trying to portray KU as “behind” in NIL stuff in order to imply we weren’t already giving kids extra benefits.
For a more concise expression of this sentiment, review the police captain’s surprise that gambling was going on in Rick’s joint in Casablanca.
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I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
Boosters can give to current players for NIL. The way they’re getting around is saying hey these are the types of opportunities we offer players like you wink wink
Texas Tech is a good example of how this works in practice. Donors have pledged to provide all football players a $20k annual stipend. They’ll absolutely use that on the recruiting trail and say hey kid, come here and it’s $20k in your pocket as long as you’re at Tech. So they aren’t providing inducements per se, but that’s a big part of their recruiting pitch.
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Can’t we start a “KUBuckets Player Assist Program” and essentially raise funds and dish them out to players for use of their likeness in our blog?
Seems like we can just add a donation button to this site and start a fund. (hint)
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
Can’t we start a “KUBuckets Player Assist Program” and essentially raise funds and dish them out to players for use of their likeness in our blog?
Seems like we can just add a donation button to this site and start a fund. (hint)
Dang, Dragon… For a second there i thought you were going to help us poor KU buckets participants!
$$$
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
Boosters can give to current players for NIL. The way they’re getting around is saying hey these are the types of opportunities we offer players like you wink wink
Texas Tech is a good example of how this works in practice. Donors have pledged to provide all football players a $20k annual stipend. They’ll absolutely use that on the recruiting trail and say hey kid, come here and it’s $20k in your pocket as long as you’re at Tech. So they aren’t providing inducements per se, but that’s a big part of their recruiting pitch.
My brain hurts trying to figure out this NIL stuff, Farmer! But coaches and universities can’t discuss NIL stuff during recruiting, right?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
My brain hurts trying to figure out this NIL stuff
I have decided not to worry about it. My view of basketball is that it is a fun sport to watch, and agonizing about all the other crap going on is not worth it. (That is becoming my view of a lot of things!)
Que sera sera 
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Interesting that ESPN never covered the Self/Townsend stay at home during recruiting story. More interesting is Dick Vitale commenting that all charges should be dropped: https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-basketball-violations-NCAA-should-drop-Jayhawks-recruiting-case-Dick-Vitale-says-190507204/.
So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm…
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It’s summer and the Coach K 30 for 30 isn’t done yet.
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm…
The retirement of iconic coaches hurts their TV revenue. Suddenly… Self is needed!
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I know this sounds soooo wrong… but…
Can we start a “pre-fund” for Chris Johnson to help him out if he declares to KU?
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So while awaiting the NCAA to pull their thumbs from their butts and punish us for something legal today… we hire an Adidas staffer to run our NIL program. lol
Here is an idea we should consider for Late Night… forget bringing in rappers. Bring in Jo Koy and he will crack up everyone with his tilt on college sports!
Best idea I’ve had in ages! lol
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
Interesting that ESPN never covered the Self/Townsend stay at home during recruiting story. More interesting is Dick Vitale commenting that all charges should be dropped: https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-basketball-violations-NCAA-should-drop-Jayhawks-recruiting-case-Dick-Vitale-says-190507204/.
So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm…
It’s not necessarily ESPN being on our side. Vitale’s comments are in line with his views of wanting NCAA issues to be resolved quickly. We are now beginning year 4 since the NCAA allegations were delivered to KU so that’s what Vitale is taking issue with.
I would also be very surprised if there’s a post season ban for KU at this point since all players involved are long gone and the NCAA is shifting towards not punishing current players with postseason bans for issues this old. I could see Self being suspended a season happening, and I’ve thought all along that Townsend wouldn’t survive this and I still believe that will end up being the case with him.
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@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
It’s summer and the Coach K 30 for 30 isn’t done yet.
SNORT…lmao…that’s a good one!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Vitale did a 180, so you might be on to something. It’s just surprising to get the Dook treatment from ESPN.
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
So while awaiting the NCAA to pull their thumbs from their butts and punish us for something legal today… we hire an Adidas staffer to run our NIL program. lol
Here is an idea we should consider for Late Night… forget bringing in rappers. Bring in Jo Koy and he will crack up everyone with his tilt on college sports!
Best idea I’ve had in ages! lol
As long as it’s not Snoop Dog and stripper poles…
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Vitale did a 180, so you might be on to something. It’s just surprising to get the Dook treatment from ESPN.
Vitale did not do a 180 and this isn’t KU getting treated like Duke by ESPN. Vitale’s statement made zero mention about the innocence or guilt of KU in regard to the violations and didn’t come from an article on ESPN’s website, at least not an easily accessible one that I’m aware of. His statement was complaining about how long it’s taking the NCAA/IARP to rule on these cases. We’re not far away, about 2 months, from KU’s case entering into it’s 4th year without a resolution. That’s Vitale’s issue and is independent of what school is involved with a case being dragged out that long be it KU, Memphis, LSU, or NC State before they finally received their penalties.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m not going to argue about it- I know what what he said, and what I heard, and there’s nothing either of us can do to change each other’s minds about it.
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@Jethro Prove to me how this statement goes against Vitale’s long held beliefs that current players shouldn’t be penalized by the NCAA for the crimes of previous players no longer involved in the program?
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
As long as it’s not Snoop Dog and stripper poles…
Maybe we bring in Jay-Z now that his boy is running our conference!
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Vitale’s tweet quoted in that article does not say a word specifically about KU, and is only about the “absurd” length of time the “cases” are taking. The 247 article is simply directed toward the KU audience.
Definitely not a 360!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:
@Jethro Prove to me how this statement goes against Vitale’s long held beliefs that current players shouldn’t be penalized by the NCAA for the crimes of previous players no longer involved in the program?
Mayjay cleared it up. Vitale didn’t mention Kansas. I read the Vitale Wants Charges against KU dropped headline without pursing the article close enough. Vitale was talking in general about all teams, not KU. No 180. And I was informed elsewhere that ESPN didn’t run the Bill/Townsend story because in the big scope of things we’re down on the ESPN pecking order. That’s 2 losses for my theory. So, I engaged in wishful thinking about a case that has been lingering like a disease over our heads for 5 years- I wanted it to be true, even though it wasn’t…lol.
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Memphis didn’t get jack for Wiseman. @HighEliteMajor is gonna be so mad when all we get is a fine and some probation
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What does the “probation” mean?
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@RockkChalkk don’t mess up again or you’ll get buried
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@RockkChalkk don’t mess up again or you’ll get buried
Was listening to local sports radio. - They was comparing KU/Memphis and the things that pretty much the same. - - -KU just like Memphis Coach’s have stayed persistent that they were not awar of certain things. That’s what Hardaway said and the IARP decided in favor of him - - No penalities on Haraway -Memphis no post season ban, on probation till 2025 - - but the fines they have to pay is laughable - comes to 1/4 of 1 % - -then think they said 50,000 shoot that is just a spit in the bucket.
I dunno just all in all I mean sounds like you can take it either way , but it’s sounding like a lot more possibility of this all not really amounting to much. They were talking about even if Self gets suspended like 12 games or ballpark - - KU would be ok , you dealing with like Decembre 1st part of January Case & the Other assistant’s could take care of that - -we wouldn’t be in the meat of Conference - -gona be interesting - -let’s just get this dam thing over with - -bring drug out way to long
