Reasons to believe in next year’s team
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@Crimsonorblue22 Juan started every game after Remy got injured. Remy started first game vs Michigan State.
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@RockkChalkk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@Jethro Ha, I see what you did there. I used to have your same belief but after watching him in one of those all star games, playing against other incoming frosh, I was quite disappointed and lowered my expectations to be more realistic. Its rare to have a true frosh that can come in and put it all together to a point where he is a reliable scorer. Last few I can think of were JJ, Wigs, Jo. I just don’t think Dick is in that class of talent and ability to be the scorer we hope for in his first year.
Its also not in Bill Self’s history to put someone out there to just spot up and shoot without having to worry about thinking about anything else. Guys like Greene who I’d say is a better shooter couldn’t carve out time because he couldn’t play D. The one trick ponies don’t see the court much with Self. At least not enough to rack up a strong scoring line each game.
I really got a kick out of your post. Especially your scouting report. I knew if I put some bait out, I’d get some bites. All in good fun- thank you for participating!
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@DanR said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Gradey/Zach/Harris trio can put up plenty of points. Need a high jumping big to do nothing but flush lobs and set screens and one wild dog like KJ to rebound. Gold
That’ll be Ernest Udeh early on. He’s going to be the guy that plays 10-15 minutes a game amd has a few foul outs because he’s a very aggressive defender and won’t have to worry about playing extended minutes. Maybe not as physically imposing as Doke, but similar mindset and style of defense when Doke was playing behind Landen Lucas.
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Technically you both are right. Juan started msu because Wilson was out. Who Bill would have started not sure but I’d guess Juan because in msu game he played 36 mins to remy’s 27
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@NormRoberts nope it was like I said
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@Crimsonorblue22 Correct.I forgot Jalen wasn’t starting the first couple games then Coach announced Remy wouldn’t start again after injury
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Remy and Juan.
Russ Rob and Sherron.
Parallels, in some ways. And totally different duos in other ways.
Winners in all ways
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Juan/Tyrese/McCullar/JW/MJ/Gradey/Clemence. Best perimeter defense in the country.
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@Jethro said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Juan/Tyrese/McCullar/JW/MJ/Gradey/Clemence. Best perimeter defense in the country.
Hunter is going to Texas. It’s done.
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@BShark that sucks as Hunter is better than Ramey wish it’d worked out. What you’d hear as the reason it didn’t?
Assuming Jalen’s back; who else do we go after? I’ve seen Ramey thrown out there any other nba guys that could withdraw and we find that 2 spot that can score and play alongside Juan?
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@kuballin10 Rumor is 750k. We typically max at 500 for starters. Assuming Jalen is back the roster might just be set. Personally I would have sent Cam packing but I’m not in charge (thankfully lmao).
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Not having a final roster and its almost June has to be exhausting. I can’t see this being a sustainable thing every year.
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Yeah I don’t understand the Cam situation at all, never will. He’s not going to play minutes anyway
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@BeddieKU23 said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Not having a final roster and its almost June has to be exhausting. I can’t see this being a sustainable thing every year.
June Bill is the new spring Bill.
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Hunter also would be the main PG at Texas, wouldn’t be here.
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@BShark got it thanks for the info and I wish you were with regards to the roster and maybe pushing someone out the door lol Bill gettin’ soft! Haha jk
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@FarmerJayhawk do you agree with this?
I don’t because Hunter is better than Juan so why not take him and make Juan the backup? I’m confused why the hang up and holding a clearly better player back so Juan can play pg. Juan is a great teammate whether starting or off the bench he will stay positive he’s a great kid.
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@kuballin10 it’s hard to disagree since we just won a title with him at PG. I’d play them both together: Harris Hunter McCullar Wilson Clemence. Rotate in Rice and Dick. Not to say Hunter would be off the ball all the time. Remy played on the ball quite a bit when he and Juan were on the floor.
I don’t think the frosh are ready to roll major minutes right away. Over the last couple years (definitely since covid made HS and travel ball sparse at times) freshmen are less prepared than they’ve been in a long time. You won’t find many 20-50 ranked dudes who played a lot for tournament teams. And 2022 isn’t a super strong class either. Especially with college players as old as they are with the extra year, it’s tough for a rook to break in. So I think Dick is best suited as a shooter off the bench, and Rice as a 6th man/swing player. Hunter is one of the few guys in that range who came in and was great right away. Sure hasn’t been the norm.
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Not sure if this is on another thread but Hunter goes to Texas
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@wissox said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Not sure if this is on another thread but Hunter goes to Texas
Looking more and more like McCullar, huh.
Whatever happened to that smaller school Missouri dude?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@wissox said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Not sure if this is on another thread but Hunter goes to Texas
Looking more and more like McCullar, huh.
Whatever happened to that smaller school Missouri dude?
Headed to MS State it appears. I’m befuddled by the lack of announcement.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@wissox said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Not sure if this is on another thread but Hunter goes to Texas
Looking more and more like McCullar, huh.
Whatever happened to that smaller school Missouri dude?
McCullar did announce for KU if you missed it. Self strongly preferred him over Mosley (said dude).
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@wissox said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Not sure if this is on another thread but Hunter goes to Texas
Looking more and more like McCullar, huh.
Whatever happened to that smaller school Missouri dude?
Headed to MS State it appears. I’m befuddled by the lack of announcement.
I mean, would you WANT to go to Starkville?
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@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@wissox said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Not sure if this is on another thread but Hunter goes to Texas
Looking more and more like McCullar, huh.
Whatever happened to that smaller school Missouri dude?
Headed to MS State it appears. I’m befuddled by the lack of announcement.
I mean, would you WANT to go to Starkville?
Might be spelled $$$$tarkville….
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@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@wissox said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Not sure if this is on another thread but Hunter goes to Texas
Looking more and more like McCullar, huh.
Whatever happened to that smaller school Missouri dude?
Headed to MS State it appears. I’m befuddled by the lack of announcement.
I mean, would you WANT to go to Starkville?
I heard it was Stackville.
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@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@wissox said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Not sure if this is on another thread but Hunter goes to Texas
Looking more and more like McCullar, huh.
Whatever happened to that smaller school Missouri dude?
Headed to MS State it appears. I’m befuddled by the lack of announcement.
I mean, would you WANT to go to Starkville?
I lived in the South for a few years. i did my time. Bassackwards.
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@Gorilla72 His first choice was Kansas. As Farmer noted it is interesting that he seems to be putting off the announcement… It was supposed to be today.
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We won the title because of Remy’s contribution way more than Juan’s. It worked because Juan played the proper minutes. Without Remy (or a scorer like Hunter) we lose to Creighton or Providence
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@kuballin10 not my point at all. I said we won a title with Harris at PG. And he’s not getting benched.
Juan will be the main PG, that’s just a fact. My point is I’d play Hunter with him because it gives you your best 5 out there. He still played 25 MPG in the tournament. I’d bump him to the 28-30ish number next year. He played so much last year because Remy and Bobby were hurt. Non-con he was only at 27 MPG.
Say we get Ramey instead. He’s also a really good defender and can handle it. I’m still not benching Harris for an unprepared freshman. Harris Ramey McCullar Wilson Clemence. That’s plenty of offense. Absolutely killer without the ball, and has enough shooting. Won’t be a great strength but enough. Dick can snipe off the bench. This lineup is so versatile because you can rotate PGs and switch between PG and 3 wings and 2 PGs 2 wings.
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Juan is a floor general. A facilitator. Self loves that. Mason and Graham had to prove they could do that before they became the potent offensive weapons as seniors.
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Juan is a champion, the best floor there is. Now lets see him grow to his ceiling.
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@approxinfinity If Juan plays a full season like the Nova game he’s a stud.
Shoot 500 three’s a day and another 500 floaters!
@FarmerJayhawk you still noted it so felt compelled to comment. It’s like say Peyton’s last year winning a super bowl or an average qb winning it all because of the team.
Dave, Remy, Och, Braun, Wilson carried us and mainly Remy in crucial games. Juan’s D contributed mightily but his reduction in minutes allowed the title.
He will start but monitoring his minutes is important.
You think we get Ramey? Watched some highlights of him and he’s a solid 2. Better shooter than Hunter and honestly in our offense he would be great alongside Juan.
Defensively and ability to drive how is Ramey per staff? Seems they wanted Hunter but would be happy with Ramey.
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@bskeet agree and wish it wasn’t exactly this way!
Wiggins/Embid team used tharpe then frankamp when we had Frank there…
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@kuballin10 Juan is lightyears better than Naadir or Frankamp.
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I dont think of Tharpe or Frankamp as floor generals at all. I thought of them as score first PGs who were mediocre at best at running the offense and not good on D either. I think of Russ Rob as a better comp for Juan.
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@approxinfinity said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@kuballin10 Juan is lightyears better than Naadir or Frankamp.
BY FAR - -not even in the same ballpark
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@approxinfinity said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
I think of Russ Rob as a better comp for Juan.
yes… And maybe Sherron.
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@approxinfinity said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@kuballin10 Juan is lightyears better than Naadir or Frankamp.
LOL. Comparing Juan to Naadir and Francamp has to be the funniest thing I’ve heard this offseason. Too funny… you can’t make this up.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@kuballin10 not my point at all. I said we won a title with Harris at PG. And he’s not getting benched.
Juan will be the main PG, that’s just a fact. My point is I’d play Hunter with him because it gives you your best 5 out there. He still played 25 MPG in the tournament. I’d bump him to the 28-30ish number next year. He played so much last year because Remy and Bobby were hurt. Non-con he was only at 27 MPG.
Say we get Ramey instead. He’s also a really good defender and can handle it. I’m still not benching Harris for an unprepared freshman. Harris Ramey McCullar Wilson Clemence. That’s plenty of offense. Absolutely killer without the ball, and has enough shooting. Won’t be a great strength but enough. Dick can snipe off the bench. This lineup is so versatile because you can rotate PGs and switch between PG and 3 wings and 2 PGs 2 wings.
I think you hit on something very important that some folks are missing- this team will be oozing with levers that Bill can pull - need team speed? Put in Yes. Need a shot blocker? Put in Udeh. Need some outside shooting? Put in Dick. Juando needs a rest? Put in Bobby. Need someone to drive the ball? Put in MJ. So much talent, so much versatility. We won’t be as fast as last year, but if we can get Ramey, then we might not need to be as fast. We could have the best perimeter defense we’ve ever had with Juando, Ramey and McCullar.
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@approxinfinity @Jethro you guys are as bad as cnn and foxs news twisting words (yes, I’m hating on both so both sides here politically can’t complain)…or I suck at explaining the latter probably true.
Juan’s reduction in minutes (he played the perfect amount) allowed the title.
I wasn’t comparing Juan to those two players, clearly Juan is better. The comparison that I poorly explained is a lesser player holding up a better player from getting proper minutes. The scenario was the comparison not the literal players.
Russ rob/sherron situation and player comparison is perfect.
Tharpe and Frankamp is situationally applicable but not player to player with Juan. You guys got on me quick for that one.
Juan vs Hunter…one is nba talent the other is not. If I was Bill then I’d say Hunter come on down and Juan you will be the backup pg. Play the best players and in this situation Juan is being perched up when in reality he isn’t as good as the guy we were after.
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@kuballin10 the last time iowa state played kansas, dajuan had 14 pts and 8 assists in 38 minutes. hunter had 8 pts and 2 assists in 32 minutes.
You can speculate that Hunter is better but i have seen dajuan stepping up big when we need him.Hunter is just that, speculation, at least in the sense that we dont know what he will do for Bill.
In defense of your position, Dajuans box score against UNC was not pretty, even if his defense in the second half was.
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@approxinfinity said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@kuballin10 the last time iowa state played kansas, dajuan had 14 pts and 8 assists in 38 minutes. hunter had 8 pts and 2 assists in 32 minutes.
You can speculate that Hunter is better but i have seen dajuan stepping up big when we need him.Hunter is just that, speculation, at least in the sense that we dont know what he will do for Bill.
In defense of your position, Dajuans box score against UNC was not pretty, even if his defense in the second half was.
@approxinfinity 1 game sample size is your argument?
Speculate? We have a full season with each and it was pretty clear. Hunter is a better athlete, drives it better (thus more assists and impacts the game), just as good defensively and scores it better.
I’d love to see what he would do for Bill.
In the game at KU Juan hit the shot but got outplayed by Hunter’s 5 assists and 5 steals ect.
Hunter scores it more, takes it away more, and assists it more. There isn’t any speculation studs like Hunter do just fine under Self.
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@approxinfinity I agree on the box score and had him stepping out of bounds with a horrible angle and court awareness cost us an L I can’t imagine how ugly it’d been for the kid (he gets roasted on 247 sports 10 times as much here).
His D second half did lead the charge there is no denying that. The lob to start, the steal from Love you almost don’t see (horrible camera work), the denial of in bounds causing inbounder to step across the line and then my absolute favorite play was the strip of RJ and straight into his scream/celebration saying YOU CANT SCORE ON ME HELL YOU CANT EVEN GET A SHOT UP!!!
I feel seeing him for what he is; is crucial and Self sees all his good straights and excuses his bad.
Hopefully we get Nova Juan or the Juan who after coach called him a p and changes his scoring mentality.
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Who else still thinks about the inbound’s play drawn up for Dajuan Harris and his failure to properly execute it? Dajuan was wide open for the inbound’s pass but couldn’t control his position on the sideline. Even if he stayed inbounds, he threw an out of control pass right to Brady Manek but not much time remained. I still think about that play and how it could have gone better; great design on the play, but less than great execution. I also wonder what would have happened if Brady Manek hadn’t slipped on his cut in the lane during NC’s final inbound’s play. My guess is Brady was the first option to shoot their 3. Then I remember KU is the National Champion. I read where Coach Self admitted to watching the championship game more than 10 times. I don’t watch the first half, but love watching the second half during the sport dead zone that is April to August for me.
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@stoptheflop I have not thought about that play for even a millisecond.
Did any other players ever execute anything improperly?
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@stoptheflop Incidentally, I have thought a number of times about Hinrich giving up the last shot against Syracuse. But his failure to execute that play doesn’t at all diminish my sense that he was a fantastic guard for the Jayhawks. He and Collison were a joy to watch on fast breaks!
On the other hand, the missed free throws by several players were too numerous to feel bad about any single one!
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@stoptheflop play was perfect and everyone executed their part Juan just messed up. Huge dome and court awareness is different with the raised floor/benches ect.
Play should have been for a better free throw shooter though!
As @wissox said stuff happens every season, every champ gets some breaks and our guys won that’s all that matters.
But I do enjoy analyzing the game and potential moments where the result may not have been in our favor. I still can’t believe we won but then with remy’s emergence, Dave turning into Dok on offense and the other guys all stepping up with huge stones it’s easy to see how we pulled it out.
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Cam Martin will enter BEAST MODE.
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@bskeet said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@approxinfinity said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
I think of Russ Rob as a better comp for Juan.
yes… And maybe Sherron.
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