Muck Fizzou
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30 seconds … still time for Mizzou to choke
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@AsadZ Hunter hedging 30 feet left mitchell wide open for 3 and his man helped down on the big in the paint
Bill can’t comprehend 3’s versus 2’s and shooting + athletes in todays games
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@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:
@AsadZ Hunter hedging 30 feet left mitchell wide open for 3 and his man helped down on the big in the paint
Bill can’t comprehend 3’s versus 2’s and shooting + athletes in todays games
They have been purposely been leaving Mitchell open to shoot the 3 because he’s a bricklayer
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Dude it’s clear you don’t even watch the games.
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Usually when lots of shots are missed at the rim, it’s because the game is incredibly physical. Lots of bumping, hitting makes players alter their shots in anticipation of contact, or they actually get hit on the shot (no call)
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I’m not a Bill Self cool aid fan but This L is on players and not bill
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@DanR haha u see that last possession??? Zeke to scared to shoot and 30 seconds left we are passing it all over
Teams mentally f’d unless ur Juan, k “cant shoot” J, or the slow walking turnover
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Welp. That kind of sucked. Hope the team learned something
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@AsadZ Yeah - no
Bill hasn’t adjusted how to guard a simple ball screen……he’s toast
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Some players have not seen this kind of atmosphere
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@AsadZ two games in a row they are seeing it.
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@Kcmatt7 Haven’t addressed how to guard a ball screen
It’s clear you’ve never played the game above maybe upward level
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@AsadZ But but our super seniors who are 3-10 on the road have….
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Hopefully these can be used as a teaching lesson All teams go through rough patches
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My 2 cents: This week we were out-prepared by our opponents. Today, probably also out-coached, although, the ill-preparation makes it hard to evaluate the true source.
Credit where credit is due: in-game adjustments in the second half cut the 24 pt deficit to 2 pts.
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Geez even an unathletic doof like Vernon can see it
Zeke Mayo hesitating there in the last minute is what I’m talkin about.
He hadn’t played since the 15 minute mark.
And I don’t blame him for not being sure what to do after that.
Mike Vernon @M_Vernon The inconsistency in minutes between Rylan Griffen, Zeke Mayo, AJ Storr, and Flory Bidunga cannot be helping them get in any get of rhythm.
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This loss was a tough one to place clear blame. I still think Self and the staff had a hard time adjusting in the first half. big blame on them.
But, the players coulda, woulda, shoulda as well.
Zeke starting to worry me.
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Game was lost because KU couldn’t stop turning the ball over in the first half and Self waited too late to switch who was guarding Bates. Having Mayo and Storr on Bates let him do whatever the hell he wanted to do today.
The defensive liabilities of this team are starting to show up and play out and the rumored roster move at semester isn’t going to help, it’s only going to make that issue worse.
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Fun with stats (or not so fun).
If you took a quick glance at the stats, you’d think Kansas may have won.
FG attempts KU 63, MU 52
Made FGs KU 25, MU 23
Made 3 pt shots KU 8, MU 4
Rebounds KU 40, MU 29
Assists KU 13, MU 8
But then it gets ugly
Turnovers KU 22, MU 11
and the game winning stat for MU
FTs KU 9-11, MU 26-31
that there is pathetic, again.
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The sign said long haired freaky people need not apply. So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
Sorry. Just wanted to think happy thoughts for a minute
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An Arlo take? Nice man.
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Flory is??? Zeke hesitates on his shots over and over and misses them. Not sure about AJ he is so stoic I can’t read him. All our new guys have a what just happened look in time outs. Who can create their own shots on this version of Jayhawks? Juan, Zeke, Coit and maybe AJ a little bit. Our offense can be really bad. What type of team gets down by 13/20 points within the first part of games? I was hopeful this year to not be a low 70’s to mid 60’s team. Ughhhhh! Hunter played tough inside.
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Zeke was a minus -23 today woof. The 3 guys that were brought in to score combined for 9 points. That isn’t going to cut it. This offense has too many guys dribbling around just to dribble around. The ball screen defense is the same garbage it was a year ago. Zeke needs to be benched, he’s too much of a liability on defense if he ain’t making shots.
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“I don’t think we had them ready to play,” Self said. “(Missouri’s) pressure and their length obviously was the key element in the game the first 25 minutes, and we didn’t do a good job of understanding that or playing to that."
This kinda sums it up for me. how is it even possible that the coaches can’t coach em up properly? Before or during the game. Just don’t get it.
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Starting to firmly believe you can’t build a title winner around Dajuan, KJ and Hunter.
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@rockchalkjayhawk How come missery who didn’t win an sec game last year can out athlete us and have more length
Hmmm maybe Bill’s eye for talent and roster construction within the portal sucks??? His system sucks for even veterans who transfer in to get acclimated?
Supposedly it’s on timing and when it’s off it’s real bad
@TYOHawk - you just now figuring that out?
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@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:
@rockchalkjayhawk How come missery who didn’t win an sec game last year can out athlete us and have more length
Hmmm maybe Bill’s eye for talent and roster construction within the portal sucks??? His system sucks for even veterans who transfer in to get acclimated?
Supposedly it’s on timing and when it’s off it’s real bad
@TYOHawk - you just now figuring that out?
I tried to hold out hope due to our portal additions. But with Coach’s weird rotations and our transfers seemingly being neutered I don’t have much hope.
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@rockchalkjayhawk Has too much of an emotional attachment to certain players
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IDK. Down by 17 at one point in the first half due to a slow start. Start the second half and give up a 16 to 6 run.
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@rcjhdraft said in Muck Fizzou:
@rockchalkjayhawk Has too much of an emotional attachment to certain players
This is 100 percent an issue with our program right now.
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Every player on this roster has significant holes in their game and every line up combination Self can utilize has at least one glaring weakness on one end of the court.
Self did upgrade the athleticism of the roster, but he over corrected and brought in a bunch of guys who either don’t try on defense (Storr and Mayo) or just aren’t good defenders (Griffen and Coit).
The newcomers that can play defense (Moore, Bidunga, and Passmore) are offensive liabilities at this stage. I do believe Passmore and Bidunga will be serviceable offensively next season. The rumored Moore for Tillman swap doesn’t help that issue as Tillman isn’t a great natural athlete based on scouting reports so he won’t fix the defensive issues in the front court.
This was something I was saying all offseason about the roster construction for this year being very flawed and the incoming players skills not complimenting the returning players skill sets.
Next season is what I’m much more looking forward to because KU will have a group whose games compliment each other better. Jackson, Peterson, Passmore, Tillman, and Bidunga is a good line up that is much more complete than this season and that’s before any other transfers come in.
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@Zabudda Arlo? What does he have to do with it?
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On offense it’s the same issue as last season Hunt has 2 or 3 guys with him 90% of the time because they is zero threat from 3 at this point. They are daring Juan, Zeke, AJ and Rylen to shoot it. If this team actually moved the ball and had a shooter or two they’d be fine. We could easily be a better team next season with out the trio of Juan, KJ and Hunt
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@mayjay I wasn’t going to say anything. Mine was Five Man Electric Band. Or Tesla, I guess sigh
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Stunning that Coit - almost a portal afterthought - starts, get 26 minutes and 14 points. Our two marquee portal pickups - 2-9 combined for 5 points; toss in 3 TOs, 6 fouls and zero assists…
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@TYOHawk He about did it to Remy
Had Kalkenbrenner been healthy we’d been a second round exit in 22. That saved Self from literally having 6 straight second round exits and many blowouts just like usc or zags
That’s unacceptable at KU
Self is like that though…I’d thought he’d matured but he’s more stubborn than Bobby knight.
If his “guys” miss stupid shots like kj floaters or kj open 3’s they continue to play but Rylen rides the pine when he was on a final four team
Oats roster construction with Clifford and Nelson >>>> Hunter and kj
I knew selfs valuation was bad when he raved about an average pg versus the stud in the game he was there to see……
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I never saw the game today. Had to work.
But let me guess… not enough hustle… played slow and deliberate and predictable. Dug a deep hole we couldn’t quite get out of.
I see TOs were an issue. So if we played slow, we were probably overthinking. Our guys need to just come mentally prepared where they don’t have to think much while playing… just perform at full speed.
Does my comment fit the game, or not?
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podcast on way home from meeting new granddaughter (makes this loss not sting a ton TBH) said we have lost 10 of 13 true road games now. This isn’t good. I’m at a loss and I didn’t even watch the game. Such a promising start to the season has a lot of question marks.
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@drgnslayr someone you used to know would call them pu$$ies
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@wissox Swain and other posters supposedly “in the know” saying somethings off with the locker room
This is exactly what I predicted when you bring in good players and neuter them along with the quick hook while the pets get unlimited leash and suck
Self did this yet again to himself but his pride makes him think he’s got it all figured out
Dude needs a legit humbling and boy is he getting it with the L’a we about to stack
His judge of talent isn’t great and his ability to integrate them is unfathomably bad
Instead of pushing Remy properly he’d seen annoyed with him……just horrible job at helping players excel and be their best versus mind f’ing them to play passively
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@kuballin10 I don’t even cheer as hard as I did when Ol Roy was here. I am unmotivated.
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@nuleafjhawk I miss that high flying offense but man did we always suck on D
Wish the Iowa boys could have delivered in 2003
Self at least got us over the hump in 2008 with jrs and srs - that took a Memphis collapse
We’ve had a ton of early flameouts due to his style of play….
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Glad I didn’t end up watching this shit show today. They better get this straightened, and straightened out like now, Same dam song - same song second verse.— -24 turnovers is just not acceptable We can’t play every game at home in the Phog, where by chance we get a lot of favorable calls and other teams fan base is sure to let us know about that – which to a degree they are right.
AJ Storr is a BAD fit, plays no defense, a lot of times looks dis interested just a really bad fit , kind of like Hawkins for K/State-- has for sure under preformed, hmmm , Storr , Hawkins must be a big 10 thing.
Yet for some here might want to pay attention already this year in Basketball KU by far is not the only team stinking up the place- - Arizona stinks- – U Conn is not that great - - as of right now anyways, - - Baylor getting beat multiple times , that’s just naming three of the prominent teams there are others that suck too.
More FYI the Big Twelve in General this season sucks, this Conference is in no way the power conference it has been the past years. The SEC is by far the dominant Conference , not even close. - They are probably going to get twelve in the NCAA been mentioned by several outlet’s and couldn’t agree more, talk about their whole Conference will end the Season in a tourney - -NCAA’s or NIT.
I wouldn’t want to guess who is winning the Big Twelve, right now for sure no dominant team, going to be ugly. Again KU better get their act together - out of our three so called prize portal transfers, very easily turn into a bitch of a Season unless they figure it out, only Mayo has at least play ok in most games, maybe not today but sure the hell better then Storr , Griffen looks lost
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@SlimShaddy54 ISU
Otz may be better team builder and coach this year and last than Bill
Heck Mark Pope has UK looking legit with his offensive schemes and all his brand new transfers (only 1 came from byu that plays)
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@nuleafjhawk I knew it was 5MEB, never heard of Tesla! One of my favorite songs from oh-so-many years ago.
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@SlimShaddy54 Storr was not great but I feel that’s more on self. Storr was a known gunner coming out of the portal and self has given him zero leeway and let guys like Kj and Dajuan chuck up shots and pout on the court.
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AJ’s the pouter! Body language is bad. He needs to man up and play for on name on the front of the jersey, it’s Kansas! See man see ball. We taught that, learned that when we were little! Man up!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Body language was rather bad in general today
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@rcjhdraft said in Muck Fizzou:
@SlimShaddy54 Storr was not great but I feel that’s more on self. Storr was a known gunner coming out of the portal and self has given him zero leeway and let guys like Kj and Dajuan chuck up shots and pout on the court.
Playing favorites will have ramifications
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Playing guys w/bad attitudes is worse.
