Next Year's Team Thread
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@justanotherfan said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Tshiebwe isn’t a great fit at the NBA level. Too small to play as a center, not a good enough shooter to play the 4. He’s a great college player, but may not find a role as a pro.
Aas great a rebounder as he is, Tshiebwe will find a role in the NBA. He also has a 7-4 wingspan so he won’t have an issue playing the 5. I wouldn’t expect him to be a superstar but he’s definitely someone I could see as a role player for 10+ years in the league based on his rebounding alone.
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I am with you… Tshiebwe finds a fit somewhere. And who says he can’t develop more skills to become a more viable player? The guy has scrap and sense for getting to the ball… something not really taught anywhere.
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I think he could eventually find a spot in the pros, but he has some things working against him. He’s a guy that would have been a lottery pick 20 years ago but makes you think about it now.
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https://twitter.com/RockChalkBlog/status/1514754053762428932?t=vyz-iJSXbWRMdB4jxN6PBQ&s=19
One More Year!
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@BeddieKU23 LOAD THE WAGON
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For sure… but part of not being back 20 years ago is players have more developmental options when getting to the pro level today.
My premise is that Tshiebwe develops considerably after college. That will be the determining factor for him sticking it out in the league.
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I heard Kansas is sniffing on Dexter Dennis. Anyone else know something about that?
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@justanotherfan said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Tshiebwe isn’t a great fit at the NBA level. Too small to play as a center, not a good enough shooter to play the 4. He’s a great college player, but may not find a role as a pro.
There’s always a place in the NBA for a great rebounder.
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@drgnslayr yiiikes. Hard pass.
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@BShark wsu guy?
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@Crimsonorblue22 yeah, he is not great.
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Stunning statistic.
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Four Big 12 teams in the top 10. Also speaks to the strength of the conference. You get a win in the Big 12 and it’s probably against a ranked team. Great stat.
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@drgnslayr yiiikes. Hard pass.
Watched some tape. I take it back he can play at the P5 level.
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@tis4tim Exactly. This is why Gonzaga is not on this list.
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If anyone wonders how the ranked wins play out for percentages in the last decade… then offset this with the massive recruiting advantage duke has. https://betiq.teamrankings.com/college-basketball/betting-trends/win-loss-records-vs-ranked-opponent/?season=since-2012-2013
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@approxinfinity said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If anyone wonders how the ranked wins play out for percentages in the last decade… then offset this with the massive recruiting advantage duke has. https://betiq.teamrankings.com/college-basketball/betting-trends/win-loss-records-vs-ranked-opponent/?season=since-2012-2013
What’s also noteworthy is that KU has played 50% more games against ranked opponents than Duke…
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@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Stunning statistic.
NOT stunning! We are a dynasty. We are a world class organization. Football has the Cowboys, the NBA has the Lakers, MLB has the Yankees, and college basketball has the Kansas Jayhawks…
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@DCHawker I hate to leave the big 12, but I get it. Money.
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Ok so I’m confused and have mixed feelings. Question is and I have been a big fan while he is here, yet still sounds like that MAYBE Dave may return for a Super Season. - So if he returns , does that help us ? - - does it hinder us ? - -if he returns what does that do for the Big men Udeh - - Clemance - - KJ - - and our other big coming in? – -I don’t know what to think, part of me is really ok if he came back - would have experience – solid rebounding at times - most times actually - - plays well at times - -he is a guy that has been there done that. Just not sure if it would be more beneficial or hinderance if he comes back. - - I don’t really want to shove him out if he wants to come back - - BUT I don’t want to lose another 3-4 yr big that may be more athletic and in time could be better then DAVE.
I’m afraid if he comes back - - Udeh might have a change of heart - - What about Clemance ? - - I don’t know guys what should we do ? - I really like Dave - I really do I just don’t know how to feel. There was times we would of lost some games without Dave for sure he carried us. - The title game he was clutch - -I dunno
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@Jethro cowboys and lakers suck.
Yankees overpay.
I think of KU more like the spurs. Always good (even if theyre rebuilding right now) , great coach with a long tenure.
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Many other mock drafts have our boys at similar spots. Braun put on a show during the last nine games.
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Good to see you on the boards again. I missed all your pre-game posts.
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@wrwlumpy where have you been? Hope all is well! We’ve missed you! We’re Nationals Champs!
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@jayballer67 May I ask all who post here why everyone places KJ Adams in the big man category? He’s listed at 6’7" but when he’s on the court he looks smaller than that. Braun is sometimes listed at 6’7" and rebounds well but is always listed as a guard. For me the bigs category starts at 6’9". I don’t see many players KJ’s size listed as a big forward or center. But, to answer jayman’s question, before his superior play in the tourny I would have been against Dave returning. Now, Big Dave gets to do whatever he wants; play center for us, coach, or take Brian Hanni’s spot, whatever Dave wants to do. Dave’s a champion and not many KU players can make that claim.
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Because of his skill set and he exclusively played the 5 offensively. His defense was not an issue at all to seeing court time. We didn’t have a back-up off the bench for JWill at all (I would consider sliding CB over when he came out his “back-up”) so I feel like if he was capable of doing the things Self wants of his 4s since Josh Jackson then that would have been a way to get him on the court more.
To me, skill set is much more important than height for positions.
It could be possible that Bill goes back to playing 2 bigs, I think that would be a good way to adapt to KJ if he (hopefully) stays.
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@stoptheflop said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 May I ask all who post here why everyone places KJ Adams in the big man category? He’s listed at 6’7" but when he’s on the court he looks smaller than that. Braun is sometimes listed at 6’7" and rebounds well but is always listed as a guard. For me the bigs category starts at 6’9". I don’t see many players KJ’s size listed as a big forward or center. But, to answer jayman’s question, before his superior play in the tourny I would have been against Dave returning. Now, Big Dave gets to do whatever he wants; play center for us, coach, or take Brian Hanni’s spot, whatever Dave wants to do. Dave’s a champion and not many KU players can make that claim.
KJ being listed as a 5 is every minute he played this yr I believe he played at the 5. - I believe he was recruited as a 5 out of high school , could be wrong. He has shown no ability to make any kind of mid range jumper well as of yet while at KU - - think that’s where he plays while at KU
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@jayballer67 Listed as a PF by the recruiting services. I think those traditional player positions need re-defining. I would consider KJ a potential stretch big, based on his skills. IF he can develop his shot.
Tried to show wing/guard skills in HS but doesn’t have them at the major conference level.
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Whenever an opposing team plays a 6’7" big, I always consider it an act of desperation. I agree a very unusual player with the right talent may be effective in the post and not be 6’9". But those players are seldom seen. I remember how effective 6’5" Charles Barkley was in the post. I don’t understand why KU is having trouble recruiting some real heighth, 6’10"-7 feet. Second half Big Davc against Miami reminds me why a true tall post is still invaluable. Miami had no answer when Dave got the ball inside.
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@stoptheflop said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Whenever an opposing team plays a 6’7" big, I always consider it an act of desperation. I agree a very unusual player with the right talent may be effective in the post and not be 6’9". But those players are seldom seen. I remember how effective 6’5" Charles Barkley was in the post. I don’t understand why KU is having trouble recruiting some real heighth, 6’10"-7 feet. Second half Big Davc against Miami reminds me why a true tall post is still invaluable. Miami had no answer when Dave got the ball inside.
Us having so many tall bigs soon is I think part of why KJ/his mom are considering a transfer. Zach 6’10’’, interested to see what Udeh and Zuby are listed at once they get here. Both are very big.
It depends what you are looking for in your system. Nova has done well with short 5s. I think KJ could do great there. Very athletic, develop into a respectable shooter and that’s a great fit.
I’m somewhat concerned with what we do if JWill does leave. I see some guys in the portal that fit out system, but I’d rather have JWill.
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KJ did a great job of guarding 6-5 Miami’s guard, Mcgusty!
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@stoptheflop Vital from Baylor reminded me of Barkley
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
KJ did a great job of guarding 6-5 Miami’s guard, Mcgusty!
Think he can do a great job defending 2-4. Can defend some 5s. At this point can be abused inside by someone really big/strong. A good bench piece.
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I think being at KU should be a very good barometer for KJ and his mom. If he can’t get on the floor here isn’t going to go pro. Bill can and will absolutely take advantage of having a 4 who can score. He did it with the Twins, T-Rob, JJ and Jalen. He definitely needs to add some skill/develop an offensive game that can be more than catching alley oops at this level. Wouldn’t argue that.
But I do pretty much reject the idea/notion that he is “basically a 5.” The guy has above average handles for his size. Enough that Bill trusted him in the weave as a freshman. His shooting form (based off of HS tape) is better than Jalen’s. He shows plenty of signs of having a good BBIQ (4.1 Assists per game in HS and showed plenty of IQ this season). He has soft touch and looks to be very coordinated.
The talent is all there. He just has to basically stick it out next season behind Jalen (hopefully) and then 2023-2024 will be his year. He is basically a jump shot away from being a ++ defender and 10ppg+ offensive threat. It’ll take some work, but from what I can see the tools are all there.
I really, really hope he is back. I’m super high on him if he is willing to tough it out.
I rarely find that this route is “the right way” but I feel like it is in this particular case. In order to be forced to develop offensively, he needs a place where talent is there to push him each day. If he leaves and goes a step or two down, I just don’t see how he ever is pushed enough in practice to develop his offensive game. He can get on the floor at a lot of schools. But he can’t be GREAT at a lot of places. Just my two cents at least.
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@Kcmatt7 I’m talking about right now. Guys do develop of course. If he stays or not he needs to be working on his handle and his shot this offseason. That’s his path to playing time.
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@BShark he certainly seems to love it here. Heard him say several times this is why he wanted to play here.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah. Mom is the BIG issue here.
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah. Mom is the BIG issue here.
Is the issue that another school is favored (like an alma mater) or is it all about KJ?
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@bskeet Mom was very upset with his playing time/usage. Thinks she knows better than Self. Headache.
Her twitter was insane, then she locked it and deleted a bunch of tweets.
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SMH
Hopefully a national title will help her adjust her perspective a bit. And he was on the floor on the final shot.
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@bskeet Bill pointed that out during the banquet. Don’t think that was by accident.
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My thought exactly. I thought Self went a bit out of his way to stroke two guys (outside of the rotation players) at the banquet: KJ and Bobby.
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@bskeet yeah, don’t think Bobby is a transfer risk but Self does just love him. Bill will sometimes take one guy individually under his wing over the summer and really work with that guy. This happened with Dajuan previously and I’ve heard it’s very likely with Bobby this off-season after recruiting is done.
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@BShark it really started last fall. Self had Bobby host recruits and take a leadership role in projecting the future of the program. Looking for a big jump from him
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@FarmerJayhawk Heard about this as well. Zach and Bobby pick game will be LETHAL.
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@bskeet and Clemence!
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The kid can shoot the 3
https://twitter.com/bgclk/status/1515414170853908490?s=21&t=G5eZRNKFfNv5-elMdxtb6A
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I will just say there are things in our favor in regards to CB…
Loves KU (can’t be overstated)
Family is already wealthy.
Not many guys have the chance to come back off a national championship with a shot to cement their spot in the rafters…
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@Jethro Best part of this list is the lack of UK and SEC teams.
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@BShark He’s also got his bro Juando on the team. I think CB coming back is more likely than JWill returning.
