Big 12 Regular Season Title (if that still matters to you)



  • I know some people would rather lose the big 12 regular season because of a belief that that would somehow make KU more likely to win the national title, but for me, the first title KU can win this year is the Big 12 regular season so I want them to win it.

    This year is already shaping up to be a crazy race with Baylor, Texas, Tech, KU, and ISU all ranked and WVU and Oklahoma just outside the top 25. To me this season will be as unpredictable as any in recent memory. With Baylor falling AT HOME to Tech last night and ISU coming extremely close to winning in the PHOG, it seems as if this is one of those years where anything can happen and even the strongest of teams will have setbacks.

    How many wins does KU need to secure the title?

    Where do the losses come?

    What are the must win games?

    Other than Baylor and KU, who is the biggest threat to win the league?



    1. To me I’m thinking 13 or 14 wins will do it. 13 for a tie at the tope and 14 wins title alone.

    2. Obvious tough games are the road games against the top half of the league and home games with Baylor, Texas, and Tech still to come. The good thing here is KU already played and won the normal trap game in Stillwater. I also think that after losing to Tech already, the Hawks will be ready to defend their home court against the Red Raiders. I think KU can weather ONE league loss at home and still win the league.

    3. I think it’s important to at least split with Baylor, Texas, Tech, and ISU. If KU does that and is able to win the rest, then we are watching the league champs and I’ll be optimistic about the possibility of a run in March. This would make must win games, games like at WVU, one of the two Baylor games, at OU, etc.

    4. Other than Baylor and KU I think it’s tough to argue against Tech as the real 3rd threat to win the big 12. They’ve already beaten the two best teams in the conference and one of those on the road. That defense is going to be tough to crack. But because they are Tech and the big 12 is stupid good top to bottom, they will have slip ups. I see tech dropping a couple to bottom tier teams at some point and in the end it’s a two team race with Baylor and KU. Whoever can hold serve at home, beat up on the bottom half of league, and steal a few from the top half on the road will be the winner. My money would still be on KU at this point because time and time again, Self has shown he can lead a team through the minefield that is the best conference in college basketball.

    Those are my takes. What y’all got?



  • @benshawks08 said in Big 12 Regular Season Title (if that still matters to you):

    I know some people would rather lose the big 12 regular season because of a belief that that would somehow make KU more likely to win the national title,

    Ha, I think you’ve confused regular season title and tourney title. Big difference. Many in the past have semi rooted to lose early in the Big 12 tourney to rest up, and not jinx our NCAA title hopes, right? Never heard anybody wish to lose the regular season title…



  • @rockchalkjayhawk said in Big 12 Regular Season Title (if that still matters to you):

    @benshawks08 said in Big 12 Regular Season Title (if that still matters to you):

    I know some people would rather lose the big 12 regular season because of a belief that that would somehow make KU more likely to win the national title,

    Ha, I think you’ve confused regular season title and tourney title. Big difference. Many in the past have semi rooted to lose early in the Big 12 tourney to rest up, and not jinx our NCAA title hopes, right? Never heard anybody wish to lose the regular season title…

    They are out there. Arguing that Self is unwilling to sacrifice losses in conference to make players better for the tournament and what not.



  • Probably 14 or so wins gets it. Although I just don’t see Baylor dropping that many more games. A loss will likely sharpen the knife a bit. Tech rode a heck of a wave for a week even short some of their best players.

    If 14 wins gets it done and KU is 2-1 currently I’d say road games against at Iowa St, Baylor & West Virginia are the most likely losses. I don’t see how this team goes 14-4 currently in league play. I would have to assume a lot of things go right. We probably will have a few more hotly contested home games given the remaining teams that have yet to come to Allen. They won’t go undefeated at home if they don’t hit that next stride as @kcmatt says in another thread, this team isn’t playing to its potential, yet. I’m optimistic last nights win kind of lit the fire a bit. Things like that can easily lead to positive momentum for a team that’s going through some things

    Feb 5th seems like a good “must win” game against Baylor at home. KU has a stretch of Tech, Kentucky, Iowa St, Baylor, Texas and I think its a must to go at least 3-2 in that sequence.

    From what I’ve seen so far Tech has to be the team that could win considering they have the two biggest wins already. They are still short a very important piece and their defense seems like its borderline really good.



  • @BeddieKU23 we were really lacking in players last pm. Just getting a healthy remy will help with to’s. I think we get a win at isu. Has west virg lost? Ksu has given everyone a game. Covid could enter the pic too. Bobby will get stronger. Feeling good about JCL.



  • @Crimsonorblue22

    WV lost to Texas by 15. They have won 2 straight rather easily since. Looked good defensively the other day against Oklahoma St.



  • @benshawks08 great questions and discussion.

    I don’t think people don’t want KU to win the big 12 in hopes it’s better for the ncaa. What people say is play guys those early non con games and let them have a long leash to learn. Best learning is in game on the job think about any job you’ve had. You can practice and practice but until you’re in it you won’t learn the best from mistakes.

    Goal is ncaa title always. Big 12 mini goal as a stepping stone.

    14 games must be won We lose road games against top half of big 12 teams (Tech, Texas, Baylor, ou/isu) Must win - every single home game must hold serve at home. Self’s system with winning league (which is winning on the road always holds true because we have been so dominate at home). Must split with the top 4 teams I listed.

    Texas Tech and Texas then OU-ISU are next up if not Baylor. We are right there with OU-ISU in my mind. If ISU could not turn it over so much they’d be even more dominate. They turn people over like crazy but are then just as careless with it. Need two ball handlers like we had in graham-mason.

    11-7 is our final record Baylor-Tech-UT (unless Beard losses his team)- KU - OU/ISU



  • I think we should always aim to win the B12. I like the idea of extremely long leashes for new guys in non con. If your name is KU and you finish the season red hot you get a high seed anyway.

    A culture of winning tough conference games and having the rotation set by tourney time are important things. I think the volatility of the rotation into conference play should sound alarms that more experimentation might need to happen sooner?

    I’m a guy that sees the conference tourney as a nice to have but also a bell weather as to whether the team is peaking at the right time.



  • @kuballin10 Do you believe this is the WORST team Bill Self has ever put on the floor at Kansas? Because 11-7 would be the worst in conference record he’s ever produced. Maybe if Remy never returns and we end up with another injury to say Braun or Och. But outside of that I don’t see how this team doesn’t win at least 12-13 games in conference.



  • @benshawks08 said in Big 12 Regular Season Title (if that still matters to you):

    @kuballin10 Do you believe this is the WORST team Bill Self has ever put on the floor at Kansas? Because 11-7 would be the worst in conference record he’s ever produced. Maybe if Remy never returns and we end up with another injury to say Braun or Och. But outside of that I don’t see how this team doesn’t win at least 12-13 games in conference.

    It’s not a just a matter of how this team compares to others during the Self era. At least equally as relevant is the depth of quality of the rest of the conference. The B12 this year is arguably the best it’s ever been in terms of both top of the conference strength, as well as overall balance.

    The formula during most of Self’s tenure has been to win every home game - maybe a single loss every once in a while - and win more road games than anyone else. In most years, KU was just better than most of the conference, and typically could win most road games and not be threatened at home.

    That has started to change the past 2-3 years. The aura of KU invincibility in the conference has eroded. Teams feel they can win at AFH. And, we’re not winning a majority of road games. We’re .500 on the road as of now, and just barely held serve at home. Based on what we’ve seen so far, I think 13-5 is optimistic and 12-6 or even 11-7 more realistic. Where will feel confident winning away the rest of year - other than maybe Manhattan? And, with a pretty porous defense and inconsistent offense, at least against quality defensive teams, do we really think we’ll go undefeated at AFH?



  • @benshawks08 correct I think it’s the worst team he’s had and without Ochai going off (similar to Vick) we’d be in trouble.

    Braun is coming back to earth but it’s a hurt remy and awful Dave that’s killing us.

    Also the poster above me outlined why 11-7 because people keep thinking “self will fix this” yet each year is a new year and self can’t play for the players he can only controls who plays. We don’t have the horses this year it’s evident.



  • @benshawks08 said in Big 12 Regular Season Title (if that still matters to you):

    @kuballin10 Do you believe this is the WORST team Bill Self has ever put on the floor at Kansas? Because 11-7 would be the worst in conference record he’s ever produced. Maybe if Remy never returns and we end up with another injury to say Braun or Och. But outside of that I don’t see how this team doesn’t win at least 12-13 games in conference.

    this team is not going 11-7 in league there is no way don’t worry bud


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