So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?
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@jayballer67 said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
See I think this was part of fans problem, we got so spoiled because of the player Doke turned out to be, and SOME again SOME just thought that would automatically carry over to Dave. - Totally different type player.
Yes, and embellishing on two points:
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we were spoiled and we never got our payout for the product. Doke + Dotson et. al was spectacular and then covid fizzled everything and the let down was immense. Without the tournament, the fanbase neither experienced the ultimate satisfaction (via a NC), nor had to come to grips with any limitations on our expectations (from a heart-breaking loss).
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Dave is a completely different 5. He is built different and moves different and has totally different strengths (and weaknesses). Almost unfortunate to have such different types of bigs in succession. In fact, that was another reason why last years team was so good – having Dave back up Doke is a big transition for the defense in the middle of games. This year, when Dave came out, the replacement was not stylistically different and required little to no adjustment for the defense.
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@bskeet good points. Building for next yr.
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Yeah, he was awful, pure crap. Dave was only second in fg % for the entire season in the big 12, and first in fg % in conference games. .544 compared to 2nd place at .503.
A number of guys had higher %, but like Sims of Texas only shot about 5 times per game and didn’t qualify.
Good god, the Dave bashing just doesn’t stop.
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First 10 games Dave- 38%, Next 10- 55%, Last 8- 58%. Improved a lot over the season
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@mayjay said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
Yeah, he was awful, pure crap. Dave was only second in fg % for the entire season in the big 12, and first in fg % in conference games. .544 compared to 2nd place at .503.
A number of guys had higher %, but like Sims of Texas only shot about 5 times per game and didn’t qualify.
Good god, the Dave bashing just doesn’t stop.
I hear ya, for some People Dave was an easy target to rip , like I said to spoiled from Doke - but bottom line was just a totally different player Different make up - - different build Dave could for sure get out in space much more and showed that he could hit from further distance , now true maybe some ill advised timing at times on shot selection but never the less was in the game.
Coach Self just didn’t pull it out his ass when he was asked who the most improved player during the off season was from last year and he responded Dave McCormack HANDS DOWN , not even close. But it’s ok buddy everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that opinion just like you and me Dave is fine.
ONE thing I do know Dave saved our ass enough , thats for sure because there was games if it wern’t for him we wouldn’t even had a sno balls chance in hell to win the game cause he was carrying the team, more then one 18 point halves till the others pulled their heads out their ass and started to play - there is not one guy on this team you couldn’t pick apart if you really wanted to - just easy to go after Dave - -it’s all good
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@mayjay Oh come on haha.
You had to disqualify - Sims (135 FGA), Boone (176 FGA), Samuel (160 FGA), Bradford (145 FGA), Jones (143 FGA), Tchatchoua (123 FGA), Ledee (91 FGA), Kuath (118 FGA), Santos-Silva (192 FGA), and Davion Mitchell (283 FGA) to get Dave to be 2nd place behind Solomon Young (190 FGA) who would be 11th and Dave 12th in Field Goal Percentage.
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So for some perspective on Dave, here are the field goal percentages of some other recent KU big men:
- Raef LaFrentz - 55.5%
- Nick Collison - 56.2%
- Wayne Simien 55.8%
- Darrell Arthur - 54.1%
- Jeff Withey - 56.5%
- Joel Embiid - 62.6%
- Udoka Azubuike - 74.6%
- Cole Aldrich - 57.4%
- Darnell Jackson - 58.0%
- Landen Lucas - 61.2%
- Cliff Alexander - 56.6%
- Cheick Diallo - 56.9%
- Jamari Traylor - 53.2%
- Marcus Morris - 55.5%
- Markieff Morris - 55.3%
- Greg Ostertag - 55.0%
- Julian Wright - 55.5%
- Sasha Kaun - 56.8%
- Perry Ellis - 50.8%
- Eric Chenowith - 45.4%
- And finally Dave McCormack, who shot 51.5% from the field this season.
A few things here. Eric Chenowith sucks. Perry Ellis shot 130 3-pointers at Kansas. If you take those away, his field goal percentage goes up to about 52%. And Ellis was like a 3/4, Dave is not. So pretty much the only big man that I looked at who Dave shot better than was Eric Chenowith. Most of the other guys were around 55% or better from the field. So a reasonable expectation for Dave next season I think is to get his field goal percentage up to around 55%. One more thing to add, Dave is actually by percentage the best free-throw shooter of all of these guys listed (At Kansas - Joel Embiid is shooting 86% from the line in the NBA), so it would be good if he got to the line more than 3.6 times per game. So that’s what I want from Dave next season: field goal percentage up around 55% and more trips to the line.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich I think it can happen. But his usage will have to go down.
Dave taking 10 shots is just not a functional offense. (And that is nothing against Dave).
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The biggest issue imo is that he had no back-up. We’ve thrown enough numbers at it that I’m confident Bill will figure something out.
He talked to a lot of D2 coaches he trusts before taking Cam. Lots of former KU guys coaching that level not just Boschee at his school but he played against Ballard’s Bods and there is another I am forgetting…
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Biggus Davus needs to learn to shot fake and draw fouls. He can score easily from the free throw line, and get the other team’s bigs in foul trouble. Win win.
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So, I’m in the camp that Dave was pretty good as a back up to Doke in 20, and was much improved in 21 as a starter, but that improvement was masked by the circumstances. If he improves as much between 21 and 22 as he did from 20 to 21, then he will be excellent.
I love the stats that @KirkIsMyHinrich provided, but my guess is that those are either the final season (which would likely be their best) or their career stats (which would still include their final, best season).
My contention is that Dave’s best season is ahead of him.
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Career stats. Dave’s career is 53.7%, which would still put him near the bottom of the list.
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@BigBad said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
This could just be Old Man Yelling at Cloud… It isn’t just Self that’s starting to get to me. It is the state of modern basketball. Everyone’s offense now is 2 guys standing in a corner and the ball receiving a high screen from one of the other two guys. There is no longer much screening away from the ball. Nobody gets each other open anymore with off-ball screens and movement, it’s all just spread out and watch one guy try to break down the defense. Or Self’s version of a modern offense…the weave with guards until someone has an advantage. Somehow coaches have all bought into the idea that spacing > movement. The biggest issue I have with it is that a very low percent of college teams have more than 2 good shooters. Again because nobody gets each other open anymore with off-ball screens and movement, slower catch and shoot kids don’t have a place. So we get stuck with Agbaji and Braun types who can “athletically hang”, but lack basketball skill. If anyone watched the UCLA and Michigan game and thought that was good basketball then there is no point in having this discussion with me.
Watch Gonzaga for a bit and your faith may be restored. The USC game was a clinic. Very nice to watch the screening and cutting and ball movement. The whole thing was a ballet.
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I am concerned about next year, to be honest. I think we are going in the wrong direction.
Jalen Wilson is most effective as a stretch 4 or a small ball 5, where he can use his quickness and ball handling against slower, bigger guys. When Self went away from that, Wilson’s production fell. Moving him to the 3 would eliminate his MUA and he would be an average or so player at that spot.
KU needs more athleticism on the perimeter, not less. They need more versatility. I don’t see that right now coming in. That’s going to make next season very similar to this one. Maybe we have to go through these two seasons to clear out some of this, but I don’t see things improving from this year right now.
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@justanotherfan Can’t see Self moving Jalen to the 3.
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@justanotherfan said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
I am concerned about next year, to be honest. I think we are going in the wrong direction.
Jalen Wilson is most effective as a stretch 4 or a small ball 5, where he can use his quickness and ball handling against slower, bigger guys. When Self went away from that, Wilson’s production fell. Moving him to the 3 would eliminate his MUA and he would be an average or so player at that spot.
KU needs more athleticism on the perimeter, not less. They need more versatility. I don’t see that right now coming in. That’s going to make next season very similar to this one. Maybe we have to go through these two seasons to clear out some of this, but I don’t see things improving from this year right now.
Jalen Wilson is not now, not will he ever be a 3 at the college or NBA level. The man is simply not quick enough to play that position on either end of the floor. He’ll, he routinely got abused by other 4’s on defense and you think moving him to the 3 spot is going to help?
Defense is going to be KU’s biggest problem next year as only Harris and Agbaji are above average defenders right now. Everyone else is somewhere between average and bad. Bryce Thompson has a chance to emerge as a good defender, but that remains to be seen if it’ll happen. McCormack is below average because of his lack of quickness, same with Jalen Wilson. Mitch Lightfoot is the best interior defender, but his lack of size limits his effectiveness. Jalen Wilson and Christian Braun are liabilities on defense.
Out of the new people coming in, Pettis is the only one with the reputation of being a solid defender. Adams is in the same league as Wilson as far as athleticism which is below average and the HS competition he faced in Texas was crappy at best. Zach Clemence is Perry Ellis 2.0 which means shit defense with minimal rebounding ability for a kid his size. Sydney Curry has the potential, but he needs to take advantage of being able to redshirt and slim down so he can be quick enough to play either post spot. The big man we just got from Missouri Southern makes David McCormack look like Ochai Agbaji by comparison.
Next year is going to be better offensively, but will also likely be Self’s worst defensive team ever at KU.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 justanotherfan was saying to NOT move Jalen to the 3.
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@BShark I wasn’t disagreeing with him. I was reinforcing his point.
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Expect a full offseason for the guys returning to be a big one with the S & C program. Jalen went home and improved on his own last year. I’m expecting he could make another leap with a coach pushing him all summer. Harris & Thompson are two others I think we can expect leaps from.
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Harris needs to, but he is so small I don’t know how much we should expect.
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@BeddieKU23 I am hoping we see big things from Bryce next season.
Realistically I think we want to see CB end up the super sub. I know guys don’t lose starting spots often under Self, but I’m hoping this one is an exception.
Ideally:
- PG: TyTy 15/ Harris 15/ Pettiford 10
- SG: Bryce 25/ TyTy 10/ Pettiford 5
- SF - Ochai 28/ CB 12
- PF - Wilson 25/ Martin 8/ CB 7
- C - Dave 25 / Clemence 10 / Adams 5
Minutes totals:
- Tyty - 25
- Bryce - 25
- Ochai - 28
- CB - 19
- Dave - 25
- Jalen - 25
- Harris - 15
- Pettiford - 15
- Clemence 10
- KJ - 5
- Martin - 8
That’s a pretty deep rotation. I think when it got later in conference and definitely come tourney time you would see basically no minutes from one of the 3 bigs between KJ, Martin and Clemence. And then probably one of either Pettiford or Harris would get almost no run.
CB really thrived his freshman year in that lesser role, I think that is what we want to see.
Ochai was more consistent than this board would lead you to believe. And if he improves at all that would be fantastic.
If we don’t land TyTy I think we will see us go after a transfer who is a sniper to bring off the bench in a very Isaiah Moss/Brannen Green type of role. And you’ll see a dogfight between Harris and Pettiford for that starting spot.
Ideally someone takes a big leap forward this offseason. Dave, Bryce, or Ochai if I were guessing to be the most likely. CB could do it. Jalen still has room to grow. The Martin dude could surprise I think.
One thing is becoming clear to me though - Bill wants to get back to 2 posts and 2 guard lineups. I think there is plenty of PT to be had for Harris, Pettiford and another PG. The team went from overloaded on wings to a much more traditional construct which is nice to see.
If this does indeed end up being the final roster - I think you will see a more traditional Bill Self type of pace than this past year was. The offense should be more efficient. The defense should be about the same. I thought Dave made a big stride from a basketball IQ point later in the season and so I do expect him to have a better start to the season next year.
All in all, I think this team will be much better. Especially now that they should have a little bit better ball movement by 1. always having a PG on the floor, and 2. adding the ability to play 2 PGs at once which Bill has really done well with in the past as far as generating offense.
I’m pretty excited for this bunch. Even if they don’t land TyTy.
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@BShark Not even sure we need him to improve. But 10 minutes a game with him doing what he was doing there at the end of the season will be great. Part of what made him stand out last season was that he had skills nobody else did. About the only guy on the whole offense who could pass the ball.
Ideally that shouldn’t be the case next year… But he can help to bridge the gap and let Bill play 2 PGs the entire game if he truly wants to.
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@Kcmatt7 KU absolutely needs Dajuan Harris to improve big time in two areas for him to be able to play the starter level minutes he’s probably going to play next season. The most important area by far is his decision making. Harris had a turnover rate of over 28% last year. That will not cut it next season with what’s already shaping up to be a terrible defensive team.
The second thing Harris needs to do is up his aggressive and look to score a lot more. Harris showed an ability to score and shoot very well. Harris can absolutely be a guy that be a 15-5 type player while shooting 40%+ from 3.
The development of Dajuan Harris into an alpha type player and embracing that role is going to be the biggest factor in how good Kansas is next season.
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I’m predicting starters next year are: Pettiford Agbaji Thompson Wilson McCormack
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As long as Agbaji returns I’m expecting that battle between Bryce Thompson and Christian Braun for a starting spot to be very competitive. The signing of Pettiford is really important for building quality depth and development
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@RockkChalkk said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
I’m predicting starters next year are: Pettiford Agbaji Thompson Wilson McCormack
KU’s in trouble next year if Pettiford is starting next season over Harris. There’s a reason why Pettiford is ranked as low as he is and that’s because he has a lot holes in his game at this point. He has the tools and foundation to develop into a very good PG. Freshmen PG’s struggle in Self’s system because there’s a lot to it. Dotson absolutely struggled at times a a freshman and was much more prepared coming in than Pettiford is. Harris is entering his 3rd year in the program. Harris is much closer than Pettiford to being able to run Self’s system.
Pettiford will be very good at KU, but his best role as a freshman will be backing up Harris.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
The second thing Harris needs to do is up his aggressive and look to score a lot more. Harris showed an ability to score and shoot very well. Harris can absolutely be a guy that be a 15-5 type player while shooting 40%+ from 3.
Strongly disagree unless that 40% on on low volume. His shots are wide open if he is guarded his numbers will be bad. I would love to be wrong about Harris but I don’t see KU being any good if he is a major player.
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I think next year is very likely a bridge year for KU anyway. One reason I like the Martin addition is it lets us take the pressure off other bigs having to contribute right away. Zach needs a year in our s&c program.
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@BShark said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
The second thing Harris needs to do is up his aggressive and look to score a lot more. Harris showed an ability to score and shoot very well. Harris can absolutely be a guy that be a 15-5 type player while shooting 40%+ from 3.
Strongly disagree unless that 40% on on low volume. His shots are wide open if he is guarded his numbers will be bad. I would love to be wrong about Harris but I don’t see KU being any good if he is a major player.
KU’s best teams have had a PG as one of, if not the leading scorer. KU’s worst teams have been when a PG isn’t much of a scoring threat. Harris has the ability to be a 15-5 player and needs to pushed into that role. His quickness and explosiveness is what can help him get his own shots from 3. Harris was 64% on his limited attempts this year. He’s a very good shooter that needs to shoot more. It won’t be hard to get Harris good looks next season. Set a screen or pick for Harris and if the defender goes under, shoot the three and if the defender goes through or switches, drive to the basket.
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I guess the main difference is I don’t think Harris is capable of being that kind of scorer. I would agree that Bill’s best teams have a scoring PG.
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@BShark Harris is the ideal backup PG - with Senior year starter potential.
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@Kcmatt7 Harris is better than a back up PG and KU doesn’t have a better option right now than Harris at the position. The biggest hole in his game right now is turning the ball over too much. If he cleans that up, he will be the next great out of nowhere PG for Self.
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@Kcmatt7 I was simply going by the stats as listed by the Big XII on its website. Argue with them over the criteria, not me!
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@mayjay okay but you can agree that maybe, perhaps, Dave’s FG% isn’t exactly a key indicator of him being good last year?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
So for some perspective on Dave, here are the field goal percentages of some other recent KU big men:
- Raef LaFrentz - 55.5%
- Nick Collison - 56.2%
- Wayne Simien 55.8%
- Darrell Arthur - 54.1%
- Jeff Withey - 56.5%
- Joel Embiid - 62.6%
- Udoka Azubuike - 74.6%
- Cole Aldrich - 57.4%
- Darnell Jackson - 58.0%
- Landen Lucas - 61.2%
- Cliff Alexander - 56.6%
- Cheick Diallo - 56.9%
- Jamari Traylor - 53.2%
- Marcus Morris - 55.5%
- Markieff Morris - 55.3%
- Greg Ostertag - 55.0%
- Julian Wright - 55.5%
- Sasha Kaun - 56.8%
- Perry Ellis - 50.8%
- Eric Chenowith - 45.4%
- And finally Dave McCormack, who shot 51.5% from the field this season.
Lookong at the list, I see quite a few All Americans who played together or with other historically good and great players (Hinrich, Collins, Miles, etc etc). I wonder, hmmm, does having 2 or 3 other consistent scorers in a lineup have any effect on another player having a better chance to score?
Name all the high percentage shooters Dave had the chance to play with this year. For that matter, how often did KU have anyone of size who could help take the pressure off? Jalen rebounded well, but seemed nowhere to be found in the banging underneath.
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@mayjay Who on that list would you NOT take over Dave? (With the caveat that you have to assume they too would have at least been here a 3rd season).
Maybe Chenowith and Kaun?
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We all just want the best for Dave. He never should have been put in the position of being the sole big on the roster. He will be able to play this upcoming season with less pressure.
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@Kcmatt7 said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
@mayjay Who on that list would you NOT take over Dave? (With the caveat that you have to assume they too would have at least been here a 3rd season).
Maybe Chenowith and Kaun?
The game has changed so much since even 2008 when KU won the title that season let alone from the oldest player on that list from over 25 years ago so not really that recent. I will say this right now and stand by this statement, 2020-21 David McCormack would’ve been a starter if he was on that 2008 title team. Dave and Darnell Jackson are basically the same player. If you swap them and put Darnell Jackson on the team this season as the focal point of the offense instead of McCormack, their numbers and complaints against each player would be nearly identical. Don’t even get me started on how much shit would thrown towards Sasha Kaun if he was on this team as the only legit big man.
Supporting cast matter and the only player on that list with a worst supporting cast than Dave had this season was Chenowith.
LaFrentz had Pierce, Vaughn, and Pollard. Collision had Golden and Hinrich. Simien had Miles and Langford. Arthur, Jackson, Wright, and Kaun had Chalmers, Rush, and Collins. Withey and Traylor had T-Rob next them most of their careers (I don’t know why @KirkIsMyHinrich didn’t put T-Rob on there because he’d be damn near the top of that list of players I’d take and I’m assuming his career FG% is pretty high). Embiid had Wiggins. Doke had Graham, Svi, and then Dotson. Cole had Collins and Morris twins. Lucas and Ellis had Mason. Alexander and Diallo weren’t here long enough to develop although I believe Cliff would’ve become better overall than Dave, but I don’t think Diallo ever would’ve developed into much offensively and probably been a defender and rebounder so hard to make an official call there as neither played all that much as freshmen. The twins had Cole, Collins, Tyshawn, T-Rob throughout their careers. Ostertag had Walters and Jordan and then Vaughn and Pollard.
Chenowith I agree is by far the worst player on that list because he had Collision, Golden and Hinrich the second half of his career, but Dave gets hurt because he lacks having NBA caliber players around him which basically everyone else had at least one. Who on KU right now is an NBA caliber player?
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That post isn’t to say that Dave is better than everyone else on that list because he isn’t. In a vacuum, the players that I believe Dave is better than, or at least equal to, are Darnell Jackson, Landen Lucas, Cheick Diallo, Jamari Traylor, Sasha Kaun and Chenowith. Those players also had far better supporting casts than Dave has and none of those players were tasked with being the go-to player on their team the way Dave was.
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@Kcmatt7 Look at the rosters for the best shooters on your list. Give Dave a few players like Pierce, Hinrich, Chalmers or Collins, or deadeye shooters like Svi, or pair him with another big like Arthur or perhaps a twin of himself, or wings like Rush and Wiggins, and I think he could do very well. How many on that list had to wait playing behind NPOY candidates and were the only McD all-stars starters on the team when they finally started? (McD all-stars Preston, Dotson, and Grimes left; Bryce Thompson never reached his hype.)
Yes, it didn’t work out when Dave was paired with Doke, but 2 bigs have to work well with each other. Doke’s game didn’t lend itself to high/low exchanging and sharing with, well, anyone. And don’t ignore the near-80% contributions of Dave at the FT line.
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@mayjay so your argument is that he would play better next to better players even though he played next to better players before and it didn’t look good?
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@Kcmatt7 said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
@mayjay so your argument is that he would play better next to better players even though he played next to better players before and it didn’t look good?
Dave was not the same player this season that he was last season. He was much improved this season, unless you think Bill Self is full of shit about that, but also played on the least talented Kansas team since the 98-99 team. When was the last time KU didn’t have a surefire NBA player on the roster because that was the case this season?
Dave shot 127/213 over the last 18 games (60% of the season) which comes out 59.6% and there’s little reason to believe Dave won’t be in that same range again next season.
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The one change I would like to see from Dave is on defense. He needs to calm down a bit and stay a bit more focused. An example is his desire to block shots into the upper seats. Dramatic yes, and there is times that is a moral breaker. However in more than one occasion as he went to make the monster block the guy he left received a pass for a layup. When he did get the block it typically went out of bounds off him negating a lot of the benefit.
His defense overall needs work but just staying in control as rim defender would help a lot.
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McCormick was a mixed bag this year. Positives: he showed upside on his back to the basket game with hook shots with either hand. He’s a great free throw shooter. His shot looks ugly but free throw distance and in he’s pretty good.
Negatives: struggles to score over length. His shot mechanics don’t let him really extend out to the three point line. He is an average passer but not great. Defensively he is a below average shot blocker as a center. Not as quick on his feet as he should be for someone his size. Which leads to struggles in pick and roll situations. Average rebounder.
McCormick will be better next year but he’s not an nba talent. He will have big games against lesser opponents but against nba caliber big guys he will struggle
Not a bad player but for us to be elite we need some elite players around him
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Actually, last season. Neither Too or Dot will ever be an NBA starter. Dot may never play meaningful minutes.
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@Fightsongwriter said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Actually, last season. Neither Too or Dot will ever be an NBA starter. Dot may never play meaningful minutes.
Last season’s team had two sure fire NBA players on the roster because both Doke and Dotson have played in the NBA this season. Regardless of whatever status either player reaches in the NBA doesn’t change that Doke was a first round pick, and Dotson has appeared in multiple NBA games this season.
Who on the team this year is even a threat to make the NBA? Bryce Thompson is probably the answer, but he was injured for 1/3 of the season and has a lot of work to fix his game up. Ochai is probably the second best chance as a 3&D player, but I think the NBA has cooled on him quite a bit at this point due to his overall lack of NBA caliber skill.
KU genuinely lacked top end talent this season which is something that hasn’t happened here in over 20 years. Only 2 players on the roster this season were top 50 recruits (Thompson and McCormack) whereas last season had 4 top 50 recruits in (Dotson, Doke, DeSousa, and Dave). KU’s recruiting has dropped off big time with the NCAA investigation over Self’s head. A borderline top 50 recruit is KU’s top recruit this year. It wasn’t that long ago a player of Clemence’s caliber was the worst player in the class, not the best.
In the last 4 recruiting classes, KU has lost 6 players early to non NBA related reasons. Having that many misses takes a toll on a teams talent level.
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@BShark said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
I think next year is very likely a bridge year for KU anyway. One reason I like the Martin addition is it lets us take the pressure off other bigs having to contribute right away. Zach needs a year in our s&c program.
Agree. Our punishment will "finally!"be handed out by then. And Coach is coach - a great move - for as long as he wants to be, so the “Self is going to retire soon” argument won’t be able to be used anymore.
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Ok let me say this right out the gate. I may be thick - - I may not be the brightest light in the house – -I may be kind of slow catching onto some thinds - - some might even say I’m an idiot. - - THAT’S OK I can live with that.
But having said all that I’m going to say seeing this and reading just plain and simple pisses me off - -Is that simple enough for other people to understand ya think ?
Let me clarify I have not seen this here , thank GOD or at least I don’t think I might of missed it. Now BShark has mentioned somethings about it - -BUT in no way do I think he wants this in any way shaper or form I think he was just saying that it might be a possibility - -and that is Ochai may test the waters, that’s fine - -so No BShark isn’t one of the one’s I’m talking about.
What pisses me off is and saw from other sites is that there actually what I would say are the true idiots - and thats they want Ochai to leave to move on and don’t want him here anymore. - -To that I say are you FRICKING SERIOUS? - -are you that fickle , such a closet fan that if you have a player who doesn’t stand up to YOUR sorry ass expectations you want them out ? - - Get the F - - - out of here with that shit , as a matter of fact why don’t you relieve yourself - -dismiss yourself from being a true KU fan - -bout makes me sick to hear people say that. I could do without fair weather fans that are so quick to judge.
Hell it’s people like that if it were their way we would never lose , miss a shot, commit a turnover, never foul , get every rebound - people like this are sorry ass BEER guzzling Hoagie eatin couch potato Couch’s - you want the perfect player - -little FYI no such thing as perfect , there is only one perfect person in this world and he is NOT walking this earth right now. - -don’t know about you but I will take Ochai anytime thanks. -these people just want these players out recruited over to bring someone they think will be better and then THEY turn out themselves to be a bust this is what pisses me off – OK RANT OVER. I’ll take Ochai anywhere anytime - - Thanks. – - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I would love for Ochai to come back. It’s also an incredible success story if he is drafted and I would be thrilled for him.
He was our best player last year, with Dave being #2. I was looking at a couple different interesting advanced stats and they basically said the same thing. Our starting 5 were clearly our best guys (with Ochai/Dave being 1/2) and then Harris was the only okay-ish bench player though Bryce improved in conference play. Mitch was atrocious. Like insanely negative.
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@BShark said in So- with all these players coming and going, what is next years team gonna look like?:
I would love for Ochai to come back. It’s also an incredible success story if he is drafted and I would be thrilled for him.
He was our best player last year, with Dave being #2. I was looking at a couple different interesting advanced stats and they basically said the same thing. Our starting 5 were clearly our best guys (with Ochai/Dave being 1/2) and then Harris was the only okay-ish bench player though Bryce improved in conference play. Mitch was atrocious. Like insanely negative.
Agree about Mitch for sure, and and most should know I really like Mitch but just didn’t have it this year, or not nearly as much so. - -Yet again when things like this happen there are some that just want to bury a guy with their verbal assaults some just really nasty - and that’s BS. At the end of the day these are STILL 19-23 yr old kids , their gonna have bad days - - months they’re human there are some people that just go 0ver the edge running these kids down. - The game of Basketball is STILL suppose to be fun for these kids , true for some it’s their future and I understand people’s frustration but to just unload on these kids is just not right - -people think these kids don’t realize that they are struggling - -they know that but dam some people need to put the pipe down and slowly back away - -just insane
