KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread
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@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Jefferson started yet only played 21 mpg. He contributed but they could have ran you and me out there and won.
Check what Allen did in the tourney because it was 4 ppg. I vividly remember either the final 4 game or title game where he had double digits and stepped up (he’s a turd)
Now you’re changing the argument because the facts didn’t match up with your original point so now you have to move the goalposts. Freshmen absolutely helped Duke win, but they also don’t win that title without their upperclassmen so no, they couldn’t put you or me out there and still win.
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@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark Bill gettin soft? Lol
I think coming off the title he was definitely a bit soft in terms of axing non-KU level players.
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark Portal should be Bill’s favorite thing. Proven d1 experience that can come here right away and pick it up quick
Yeah I think we add two starter level guys this offseason.
Not enough tbh
Hard to expect too much more than that. I think it gets you to where we are accustom to with a decent bench.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread: McCullar might be looking at how offensively challenged KU could be next year and thinking that would hurt his chances of landing a two-way contract with someone.
I hadnt thought about it this way. Figured he is next up with Jalen and Gradey gone, and still has Juan to facilitate.
Was asking exact same q in other thread. You guys are on top of it already.
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I guess it will depend on the departures and who they can get.
KU has 2 1/2 starters coming back with Udeh the 1/2 since he is playing behind KJ.
Elmarko will be exciting but I also wonder about growing pains since he is ball dominant and will have to learn to play off Juan. I see it working since he will have the ball in his hands plenty even with Juan but it’s going to take time.
Zuby has promise as your 3rd big. That’s 4 guys I have trust in. You need 3 to 4 more.
The rest will never start here. Yikes
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I guess it will depend on the departures and who they can get.
KU has 2 1/2 starters coming back with Udeh the 1/2 since he is playing behind KJ.
Elmarko will be exciting but I also wonder about growing pains since he is ball dominant and will have to learn to play off Juan. I see it working since he will have the ball in his hands plenty even with Juan but it’s going to take time.
Zuby has promise as your 3rd big. That’s 4 guys I have trust in. You need 3 to 4 more.
The rest will never start here. Yikes
So you don’t think top 40 recruit Chris Johnson ever starts for KU? As a freshman, I don’t see him starting, but after Harris leaves and Elmarko slides over to the 1, Chris Johnson is the guy who moves in the 2 spot. At least I assume that’s what the multi-year plan is for him.
I’m also not going to completely rule out Jamari McDowell starting eventually either as we’ve all seen several players with his profile and ranking start later on in their careers at KU under Self.
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When is the annul banquet?
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Sorry I meant Bobby, Joe, MJ.
I really think McDowell will be good here at some point. Really interested to see how he does this offseason because I could see him getting minutes but it’s too early to tell.
I’m not sold Chris will be mature enough to handle the coaching and his emotions on the court. It’s a huge concern. I’ll hope for the best. He didn’t exactly have a banner year at Montverde, playing PG on a stacked team. He didn’t start if I recall either. Probably a 2 guard here that can handle the ball like Self likes. He’s turnover prone as well. Thinking he’s going to be a bit of a project but if he puts it together I’ll be excited to see what happens.
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@BeddieKU23 If MJ comes back, I wouldn’t completely rule him out as a possible starter with his talent ceiling being very high.
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I see Harris at the pg, Adam’s at center. Elmarko starting sg…. I think we land 2 transfer guards. Both high level guys that start at the 3 and 4. Small potential our 2024 guy reclassifies and battles for the 4 spot…… udeh and zuby back up bigs……. Chris J and hopefully another transfer guard off the bench. Reality self will probably still have Bobby or yesfu back but they should both be gone… I’m pretty confident zach, cuffe will be gone. I don’t see mj rice upside. He’s strong but he’s not very laterally quick, he’s not fluid with the ball and seems awkward. Shot doesn’t look elite. I rather him transfer…… this team lost really bc of no depth at the guard. Bobby yesfu and mj rice were awful this year. One good bench guard would have changed KUs chances
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@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark It almost seems like you’d be better off recruiting college players than high schoolers. Take 5-6 transfers and 1-2 quality freshmen. No time for disappearing acts on the big stage. Let some other team develop the players, then poach what you want with offers of glory and NIL money that the little schools can’t touch. It’s the Wild West of the free agency period in college basketball. The ncaa has no idea what unregulated payments will do. Hint it’s not spread the wealth. The current big boys will only get more exclusive and the bottom feeders will get markedly worse.
I saw this somewhere, and find it to be true.
“There aren’t any pros in the transfer portal.”
That’s why you add HS guys. You aren’t poaching many guys with NBA potential. You can win without those guys, but it’s significantly harder… I also think you can add better bench guys through HS. Plus good transfer portal guys are twice as hard to get. The line is longer and the NIL more expensive.
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Do NOT rule out Udeh starting at the 5 next year and KJ coming off the bench. All I will say on the matter.
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@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Do NOT rule out Udeh starting at the 5 next year and KJ coming off the bench. All I will say on the matter.
This would be the ideal development. But would be fine with KJ starting and Udeh off the bench. Ultimately I think that gets split 50-50. And you’ll see a few minutes a game with them on the floor together.
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Marcus Adams officially reclassing to 23.
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@BShark wow on Udeh
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To quote Clark Kellogg, they want more linth and strinth at the 5
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@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark It almost seems like you’d be better off recruiting college players than high schoolers. Take 5-6 transfers and 1-2 quality freshmen. No time for disappearing acts on the big stage. Let some other team develop the players, then poach what you want with offers of glory and NIL money that the little schools can’t touch. It’s the Wild West of the free agency period in college basketball. The ncaa has no idea what unregulated payments will do. Hint it’s not spread the wealth. The current big boys will only get more exclusive and the bottom feeders will get markedly worse.
I saw this somewhere, and find it to be true.
“There aren’t any pros in the transfer portal.”
That’s why you add HS guys. You aren’t poaching many guys with NBA potential. You can win without those guys, but it’s significantly harder… I also think you can add better bench guys through HS. Plus good transfer portal guys are twice as hard to get. The line is longer and the NIL more expensive.
Yes and no on that quote. There’s absolutely NBA potential in the portal. It’s usually guys like Jalen Wilson (obviously I know he’s not a transfer), Kevin McCullar, or a Quentin Grimes that have some defects in their game that by spending another year in school, whether their original school or elsewhere, can absolutely make them draftable players. You also have players moving up from low and mid majors to boost their visibility and get on NBA radars.
I’m not going to say those players are plentiful each year because they’re not, but there’s usually a few players like that each season in the portal.
If that quote is supposed to mean nobody with NBA potential in that specific draft is going to be in the portal, then I’ll agree with that.
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Can’t see this full time, Udeh is a walking foul
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@FarmerJayhawk lol
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@BeddieKU23 moving foul
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@BeddieKU23 I think as long as Zuby stays, the 5 spot has the depth to handle Udeh starting and getting as many minutes as his 5 fouls will allow.
Also fully expect both of those guys to make massive strides this off-season.
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Like whatever strides the staff expected from Zach I expect to actually happen from Udeh and Zuby
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Sorry I meant Bobby, Joe, MJ.
I really think McDowell will be good here at some point. Really interested to see how he does this offseason because I could see him getting minutes but it’s too early to tell.
I’m not sold Chris will be mature enough to handle the coaching and his emotions on the court. It’s a huge concern. I’ll hope for the best. He didn’t exactly have a banner year at Montverde, playing PG on a stacked team. He didn’t start if I recall either. Probably a 2 guard here that can handle the ball like Self likes. He’s turnover prone as well. Thinking he’s going to be a bit of a project but if he puts it together I’ll be excited to see what happens.
CJ isn’t going to see the floor much as a freshman just based on what we’re seeing at prep school. Emotions or not.
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Can’t see this full time, Udeh is a walking foul
Back up 5’s under Self have always been walking foul machines. Once they move into the starting line up, or a role that requires extended minutes, the foul rate always drops quite a bit.
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I think Udeh and Kj could both start next season. I think MJ has a ton of upside if he can develop over the summer. Juan, Adams, MJ, KJ and Udeh is a good line up
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@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I think Udeh and Kj could both start next season.
No.
@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread: I think MJ has a ton of upside if he can develop over the summer. Juan, Adams, MJ, KJ and Udeh is a good line up
YUCK. Ball handling and shooting would both be ATROCIOUS.
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@BShark 3 point shooting is my biggest concern for next season. If some of our bigs develop size will be better. MJ can shoot, he looked great against seton hall the game I was at. He just couldn’t catch a break off the court with injuries and illness. I think he has a ton of upside, we need to hit the portal to get a couple of shooters.
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@kjayhawks I’m completely meh on if he returns or not at this point. Can’t expect someone to go from under 200 minutes played + planted in the dog house to respectable starter.
Playing KJ next to Udeh is asking to not score ever.
I’m with you on the portal part lol. They need to be starters but like @FarmerJayhawk said in the other thread if things go as expected people will be pretty happy with who we get.
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@BShark I hope he stays personally but you never know. Let’s hope y’all are right on the portal.
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@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I think Udeh and Kj could both start next season.
No.
@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread: I think MJ has a ton of upside if he can develop over the summer. Juan, Adams, MJ, KJ and Udeh is a good line up
YUCK. Ball handling and shooting would both be ATROCIOUS.
That’s a line up that would struggle to score and I’ll leave it at that.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I personally feel like we are headed towards Ted Owens last decade of struggle. I think that group would have trouble scoring but would play defense and rebound well.
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@kjayhawks and shoot free throws.
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I think the starting lineup should be me and any 4 of you who are over 60. You know, people who give a crap about the college game and aren’t 100% focused on the NBA $$$. People who can shoot free throws. People who give a crap about KU.
You may notice that my attitude is not particularly great. You would be correct.
That game was not Bill Self’s fault, not Norm Robert’s fault. Strictly on the folks who don’t want to be in Lawrence anymore.
The 60+ crowd will remember Danny Manning (the Senior) stepping up to the free throw line at the end of the game and every one of us thought "We just won the National Championship! "(Before he shot the free throws)
Towards the end of yesterday’s game, a junior stepped to the line and I thought “Welp. We’re screwd”.
Ok. I’ll crawl back in my hole.
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@nuleafjhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@kjayhawks and shoot free throws.
Juan, KJ, and Udeh are all 60% or worse FT shooters.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 KJ improved during the season and was the best yesterday
Jalen and Kev both missed front ends of 1 and 1’s in second half and Juan went 1/2.
Can’t make those mistakes and get away with winning unless we are at AFH which masks a lot
This team had enough to win it all just couldn’t get it done. I feel bad for Jalen seeing that video of him walking off hurt bad…dude gave it his all and @nuleafjhawk Jalen cared so hope you aren’t referencing him
What hurt this team was Bill missing on bigs. Having Clemence in the program for a whole year and thinking he will start only to be completely awful especially athletically tells me they drastically whiffed on him even with seeing him in practice and limited minutes his frosh year
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@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Can’t expect someone to go from under 200 minutes played + planted in the dog house to respectable starter. Playing KJ next to Udeh is asking to not score ever.
The very definition of irony perhaps…since KJ played 178 mins last year and became a reliable starter? (Wasn’t in a dog house, though, so I guess we can cut you a little slack!)
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@mayjay said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Can’t expect someone to go from under 200 minutes played + planted in the dog house to respectable starter. Playing KJ next to Udeh is asking to not score ever.
The very definition of irony perhaps…since KJ played 178 mins last year and became a reliable starter? (Wasn’t in a dog house, though, so I guess we can cut you a little slack!)
I hear you there and guys can improve big time frosh to soph year but I lean with @Texas-Hawk-10 on this one.
Hearing mj just randomly tell Bill at halftimes he can’t go cause his back after he warmed up ect just makes me think Bill doesn’t respect his work ethic and competitiveness. Things got tough in college and he backed down.
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@nuleafjhawk nothing wrong with being pissed off after the epic collapse that was yesterday.
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@nuleafjhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I think the starting lineup should be me and any 4 of you who are over 60. You know, people who give a crap about the college game and aren’t 100% focused on the NBA $$$. People who can shoot free throws. People who give a crap about KU.
You may notice that my attitude is not particularly great. You would be correct.
That game was not Bill Self’s fault, not Norm Robert’s fault. Strictly on the folks who don’t want to be in Lawrence anymore.
The 60+ crowd will remember Danny Manning (the Senior) stepping up to the free throw line at the end of the game and every one of us thought "We just won the National Championship! "(Before he shot the free throws)
Towards the end of yesterday’s game, a junior stepped to the line and I thought “Welp. We’re screwd”.
Ok. I’ll crawl back in my hole.
We will need a bigger roster and more time outs. Sub in/out after every two trips up and down the floor….🥵
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@kjayhawks how do you think the players feel? We care but I didn’t sweat one time running stairs in AFH in 90 degree heat for multiple years like Jalen
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@mayjay said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Can’t expect someone to go from under 200 minutes played + planted in the dog house to respectable starter. Playing KJ next to Udeh is asking to not score ever.
The very definition of irony perhaps…since KJ played 178 mins last year and became a reliable starter? (Wasn’t in a dog house, though, so I guess we can cut you a little slack!)
Doghouse part is definitely key. Advanced stats were good for KJ last year despite limited minutes. Plus Bill trusted him to close out the title game.
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Shot selection.
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@kuballin10 I’m sure they ain’t happy but the difference is you and I had no control over what happened yesterday. I tell my son all the time there are some tests in life you only get one chance to take. The tournament is one of those.
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Yeah we had our one shot and didn’t get it done. Sucks with way tourney is shaping up.
Hope we get longer and more athletic and develop a big or go portaling for one
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@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
@BShark It almost seems like you’d be better off recruiting college players than high schoolers. Take 5-6 transfers and 1-2 quality freshmen. No time for disappearing acts on the big stage. Let some other team develop the players, then poach what you want with offers of glory and NIL money that the little schools can’t touch. It’s the Wild West of the free agency period in college basketball. The ncaa has no idea what unregulated payments will do. Hint it’s not spread the wealth. The current big boys will only get more exclusive and the bottom feeders will get markedly worse.
I saw this somewhere, and find it to be true.
“There aren’t any pros in the transfer portal.”
That’s why you add HS guys. You aren’t poaching many guys with NBA potential. You can win without those guys, but it’s significantly harder… I also think you can add better bench guys through HS. Plus good transfer portal guys are twice as hard to get. The line is longer and the NIL more expensive.
I’m not thinking of the NBA as the main measuring stick. Gradey is an NBA talent. Xavier was an nba player. McCullar is not. Remy is not. I’d say McCullar and Remy were far more impactful for KU. The draft is about filling the nba pipeline which is based on potential that may never be reached. College transfers are a proven commodity. I’d sure try to snag a few multi-year guys like Braun, Ochai to build your team around and establish culture. The OADs I’d prefer would be transfers if they aren’t top 10 talent.
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@Gorilla72 LOL. The game will be a much slower pace!
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@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
KU tried very hard to get Jones and Okafor. Off the record, Jones may have been Bill’s most wanted PG recruit ever. Duke gonna Duke though.
I’d put that as Marcus Smart.
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Troubling to see Harris under 60%. He doesn’t look like a confident shooter at the line. Something he will have to address this offseason
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
Troubling to see Harris under 60%. He doesn’t look like a confident shooter at the line. Something he will have to address this offseason
Even if things go as expected with the portal next year could be an adventure at the FT line.
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Usually is every year for Self teams
