IARP update
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No one yet has explained to me why other cases, with active distribution of money by coaches, are directly applicable to ours.
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The sad part is that nothing the NCAA nor IARP does makes any sense. So, who knows how Kansas will be punished, and when.
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Read more about the penalities on NC State today. - -Kind of Confusing s I thought they were charged with two level one violations. - - This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.
Reduction of Scholarships in 22/23 yr. Vacating any wins that Smith played in. - -They said the level of the violations were severe enough and they considered post season ban - -BUT they considered post season play and being banned from that but said they took into consideration that they didn’t want to punish the current ,members of the team for the past BUT did want the School to be aware of the severe of the violations. – hmmmm that sounds good/promising
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I don’t like that fact that we can’t contest the outcome. To trust anything to these people with questionable motives seems completely irrational and risky.
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@jayballer67 said in IARP update:
This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.
So… an inside straight! lol
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
@jayballer67 said in IARP update:
This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.
So… an inside straight! lol
lol - - -ya buddy
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The NC State ruling was the one I was most interested in because that’s the most similar case to KU’s. No post season ban for NC State is encouraging for what should be coming in regards to KU’s punishment.
I’m still expecting KU to have to vacate the 2017-18 games Silvio played in which obviously includes the Final Four banner that season along with probation and scholarship reductions. I’m also expecting Townsend to get hit with a show-cause tag, maybe not 6 years because it doesn’t appear like the case is as strong against him as it was against Orlando Early. I will also be curious if Self gets a 1 year show-cause.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:
The NC State ruling was the one I was most interested in because that’s the most similar case to KU’s. No post season ban for NC State is encouraging for what should be coming in regards to KU’s punishment.
I’m still expecting KU to have to vacate the 2017-18 games Silvio played in which obviously includes the Final Four banner that season along with probation and scholarship reductions. I’m also expecting Townsend to get hit with a show-cause tag, maybe not 6 years because it doesn’t appear like the case is as strong against him as it was against Orlando Early. I will also be curious if Self gets a 1 year show-cause.
The biggest reason NC State did not get hit with post season ban was, the IARP considered it but came to the conclussion that they didn’t want to punish the current members of the team , but yet wanted to make it clear to NC State how serious these were , which is about the only good thing I see as far as we go - -they don’t get post ban I don’t think we will either. As it boils down to the same amount of Level one - which is 5. - -I think Townsend WILL be hit with show cause and if not the same amount then just a little less, he will be lucky to retain his job, as I think the University it’self when this is said and done will let him go if nothing else to try and make themselves look better.
I fully believe the NCAA/IARP is looking to make an example of the BIG FISH in this case ( KU ) to put fear in the other Schools to show them they mean business on violations - -I think it’s bullshit but the NCAA has had it in for KU for some time, -with the IARP and them together they want KU to pay well the NCAA does. - I can see probation multiple years maybe 2 and I also think Coach Self will get show cause just like Gottfried. - -Either way I think we will find out something before to much longer. I guess these cases were handed over to the IARP and in order it was NC State - -then Memphis – Then KU after that so it could be not to much longer. hoping for the best
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@mayjay said in IARP update:
No one yet has explained to me why other cases, with active distribution of money by coaches, are directly applicable to ours.
Uno!
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Yes… makes sense IARP throws the book at us:
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
Yes… makes sense IARP throws the book at us:
Yahtzee! What I tell you about NIL? Leave Oklahoma where you already had a massive NIL deal (even though Riley left) and sign with… Eastern Michigan? And after next season, where to? Lol. He will, afterall, only be a true sophomore.
It is starting to smell, is it not? I mean, why punish anyone for any previous violations at this point or even have an NCAA? Or, do we actually need a governing body with rules? Things to ponder…
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Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons
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Tanned. Rested. Ready.
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@FarmerJayhawk i will boycott basketball.
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@approxinfinity LOL! I wonder how many people actually moved to other countries after the 2016 and 2020 elections?
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@mayjay i will boycott though. The love will be beaten out of me if kansas gets a ban.
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@approxinfinity said in IARP update:
@mayjay i will boycott though. The love will be beaten out of me if kansas gets a ban.
To be clear, only Self and Townsend. KU would still play
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons
Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs
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@jayballer67 said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons
Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs
Nothing is official on that
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@FarmerJayhawk hmm. that actually could be quite interesting.
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Norm has HC experience. If this is the punishment sign me up.
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in IARP update:
@jayballer67 said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons
Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs
Nothing is official on that
I’ realize that.
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So do we believe there is much truth to this latest rumor ? - -Sure got them fired up on TOS. - if it is true , are we talking about 2 Seasons starting with this Season. - - I’m more concerned actually about having a show cause put on Self which in turn I think he would just say screw it
Having said that though IF that were to happen bottom line is KU was fine before Coach Self - -we would be fine AFTER Coach Self. - If it came down to it , don’t think we would have any problem what so ever finding ANOTHER big time Coach
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@jayballer67 Wasn’t the source of that rumor from Mike Vernon? Vernon is the one that said Remy was unhappy, and was leaving the team. Remember when Self cursed during the press conference? He was cursing Vernon and his rumor mill. Vernon also told everyone we were going to the B10. Done deal. Now Vernon is back with another rumor. I don’t know if the latest rumor is true, but I would wait until someone legitimate confirmed it. Vernon is considered a whack job by many KU fans.
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
@jayballer67 Wasn’t the source of that rumor from Mike Vernon? Vernon is the one that said Remy was unhappy, and was leaving the team. Remember when Self cursed during the press conference? He was cursing Vernon and his rumor mill. Vernon also told everyone we were going to the B10. Done deal. Now Vernon is back with another rumor. I don’t know if the latest rumor is true, but I would wait until someone legitimate confirmed it. Vernon is considered a whack job by many KU fans.
ya it was. That’s why I was asking exactly how much truth there was to this- - -if anyone knew. - -I mean I suppose it’s possible— -anything is possible , what I’m more worried about then anything else when this is all said and done and that’s them hitting Coach with Show cause- - -and he be like - - -I’m out
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I wouldn’t think we’d bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn’t we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don’t know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?
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Timing of this rumor is suspect.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in IARP update:
I wouldn’t think we’d bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn’t we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don’t know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?
We would probably use one of our assistant coaches
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 thx!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in IARP update:
I wouldn’t think we’d bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn’t we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don’t know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?
It wouldn’t make sense to bring an outside coach in because they wouldn’t know the personnel or calls for the season.
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I don’t think we could add to the regular season either was my point. This whole thing is odd to me. I think Self would want to get ahead of this leaking.
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Hmm, if the rumor is true, it must be only about a quarter of a rumor. There’s got to be way more punishment – if there is punishment. Loss of scholarships, fewer official visits, fines, etc. NC State got all that with the same Level 1 infractions?
If we’re punished and it’s just Self and Co. can’t coach in post season, i’ll take it. It means we CAN play in the post season!
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
Hmm, if the rumor is true, it must be only about a quarter of a rumor. There’s got to be way more punishment – if there is punishment. Loss of scholarships, fewer official visits, fines, etc. NC State got all that with the same Level 1 infractions?
If we’re punished and it’s just Self and Co. can’t coach in post season, i’ll take it. It means we CAN play in the post season!
I just got this weird feeling that they are going to make Coach Self - hit him with show Cause , which in turn if they do that I think he walks. Either be asked to resign OR just walk away
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Nah
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@jayballer67 we good.
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Soap Box Stew’s momma, and Vernon’s daddy? have been wrong way more than they’ve been right. I mean- what have they been right about so far?
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
Soap Box Stew’s momma, and Vernon’s daddy? have been wrong way more than they’ve been right. I mean- what have they been right about so far?
Football stadium stuff especially. Also Vernon broke the Self contract extension story. He and Stew is good people. Under Goff, KU leaks a heck of a lot less than it did under Long or Zenger. Which is good! They were right on the admin really pressing for a B1G invite, which still might come. Especially if the NCAA Tournament gets blown up and we get to keep more of that sweet cash. Or if football gets very good in the next 3 years.
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Some of that is just common sense huh?
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https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1508827067873476613?s=20&t=DGjN9JJld1ecxkRbMOWulQ
https://www.si.com/college/2022/03/29/ncaa-infractions-cases-congress-bipartisan-bill
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“The IARP concept has been such a disappointment that sources say there is a real chance it is drastically downsized or scrapped altogether. “[The IARP] was an experiment. And you never want to experiment with the biggest cases of the modern era,” one source told SI.”
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Who woulda thought…
"The NCAA has a well-established history of back room deliberations that produce unfair punishments for athletes, coaches, and universities,” Blackburn said in a statement to SI. “With the emergence of new name, image, and likeness rules, it is more important than ever to address the systematic failures that have eroded league fairness. The NCAA Accountability Act will establish much-needed due process and shine a light on unfair treatment from NCAA leadership.”
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News to us
Notices of allegations have been delivered in all four cases, and hearings have been set for at least Kansas and Louisville for this spring.
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@BeddieKU23 calling the ncaa stupid is letting them off easy. F***ing basketball mafia.
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I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.
Well there is always the threat to start taxing them if they don’t play ball. Plus the government can levy fines.
But I’m not sure how I feel about the government sticking their nose into it all
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@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.
Well there is always the threat to start taxing them if they don’t play ball. Plus the government can levy fines.
But I’m not sure how I feel about the government sticking their nose into it all
Yeah, taking it to an extreme maybe, but imagine your local, state or US government holding hearings on the playing status of a college player — for whatever reason.
One thing leads to another.
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The parts of this legislation that I’m interested in is basically putting a shorter statute of limitations on the NCAA to investigate cases and a shorter time frame to invest cases once an NOA is delivered to a school.
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Federal jurisdiction can be easily grounded in the Commerce Clause providing congressional authority over interstate commerce. Love to see the NCAA try to argue it is not a business!
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.
Well there is always the threat to start taxing them if they don’t play ball. Plus the government can levy fines.
But I’m not sure how I feel about the government sticking their nose into it all
Yeah, taking it to an extreme maybe, but imagine your local, state or US government holding hearings on the playing status of a college player — for whatever reason.
One thing leads to another.
Government involvement is not without precedent. Phog Allen was forced to retire by KS legislature. Not exactly the same thing we’re talking about with the NCAA and fed, but in the same solar system.
