IARP update
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@drgnslayr KU has acknowledged money changed hands during the recruitment of players mentioned in the report so they aren’t fighting very hard on those allegations, probably just that KU wasn’t aware of the payments. The biggest thing KU is fighting and why they wanted this case to go to the IARP is because of Adidas being ruled a booster. KU is hoping the IARP rules that because the NCAA has never accused a school of this before (along with Louisville and NC State) despite shoe companies being corporate sponsors of programs for decades now, that the NCAA can’t begin to selectively apply that rule and overturn those infractions which would have the most serious consequences.
At the end of the day, KU is going to receive some punishment because of Silvio, Preston, and Diallo. Forfeiture of games those guys played in, scholarship reductions, and probation all seem very likely. KU is trying to avoid a postseason ban which is much more likely to happen with the IARP ruling on the case than the NCAA.
The NC State case is the one to watch because that case went to the IARP before ours so will likely be ruled upon before ours. The reason to pay attention to that case is because NC State has a lot of similar accusations against them including Adidas being considered a booster. However the IARP rules on that charge against NCSU is also likely how they’ll rule it for KU as well.
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At the end of the day KU shouldn’t have recruited this trio. They knew it could backfire.
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Is my memory failing me… but didn’t Kansas acknowledge Adidas as a booster to help bring Silvio back? That was another move I didn’t really understand the logic.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr KU has acknowledged money changed hands during the recruitment of players mentioned in the report so they aren’t fighting very hard on those allegations, probably just that KU wasn’t aware of the payments. The biggest thing KU is fighting and why they wanted this case to go to the IARP is because of Adidas being ruled a booster. KU is hoping the IARP rules that because the NCAA has never accused a school of this before (along with Louisville and NC State) despite shoe companies being corporate sponsors of programs for decades now, that the NCAA can’t begin to selectively apply that rule and overturn those infractions which would have the most serious consequences.
At the end of the day, KU is going to receive some punishment because of Silvio, Preston, and Diallo. Forfeiture of games those guys played in, scholarship reductions, and probation all seem very likely. KU is trying to avoid a postseason ban which is much more likely to happen with the IARP ruling on the case than the NCAA.
The NC State case is the one to watch because that case went to the IARP before ours so will likely be ruled upon before ours. The reason to pay attention to that case is because NC State has a lot of similar accusations against them including Adidas being considered a booster. However the IARP rules on that charge against NCSU is also likely how they’ll rule it for KU as well.
Yahtzee! And if Adidas is a booster then what about Nike and Under Armor? And was it KU that gave the money? What about Zion, what about Ayton? I don’t think the NCAA really wants to open this can…
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Sometimes my motives come out slowly… especially if I am not well versed on the subject.
*Has anyone implicated the NCAA as a co-conspirator in these trials? Especially concerning Zion? With the level of corruption today being so rampant… why wouldn’t we vision the possibility the NCAA is corrupt beyond just being inept? Why would money and perhaps gifts come in the direction of the NCAA?
Who buys the theory that the NCAA is basically a bunch of “stupid saints?”
At what point can we state that ineptness or some closet animosity towards certain programs just doesn’t hold water as to explaining actions?
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Sounds like Louisville’s sentence could be released today
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@BShark Tough being a bag man in college hoops these days… Can’t even get officials to pay a few hundred thousand to sweep something under the rug.
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The first case for IARP was resolved today. NC St received 1 yr probation. Former coaches received show cause penalties.
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Maybe they try slapping probation on our players from receiving outside sponsorships? (bad joke)
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@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
The first case for IARP was resolved today. NC St received 1 yr probation. Former coaches received show cause penalties.
ya I posted this also , saying I think if people think we are getting out of this clean as a whistle, I think they are in for a surprise They got show cause with TWO level one violations - -Gottfried got a year show cause - -I think there is a very good chance of Bill getting TWO year show cause , multiple year probation and one year post season ban - -If NC State is getting thsi for TWO level one’s I just think the IARP and the NCAA are trying to make themselves look good and make an example out of KU. NC State Assistant got SIX years of Show Cause -I could see our Assistant getting as much and more likely then not removal from staff. - -we ARE NOT getting off scott free. this with NC State pretty much shows as much
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No one yet has explained to me why other cases, with active distribution of money by coaches, are directly applicable to ours.
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The sad part is that nothing the NCAA nor IARP does makes any sense. So, who knows how Kansas will be punished, and when.
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Read more about the penalities on NC State today. - -Kind of Confusing s I thought they were charged with two level one violations. - - This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.
Reduction of Scholarships in 22/23 yr. Vacating any wins that Smith played in. - -They said the level of the violations were severe enough and they considered post season ban - -BUT they considered post season play and being banned from that but said they took into consideration that they didn’t want to punish the current ,members of the team for the past BUT did want the School to be aware of the severe of the violations. – hmmmm that sounds good/promising
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I don’t like that fact that we can’t contest the outcome. To trust anything to these people with questionable motives seems completely irrational and risky.
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@jayballer67 said in IARP update:
This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.
So… an inside straight! lol
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
@jayballer67 said in IARP update:
This article that I read from another KU site said they had 5 Level one , 4 level two and two level three violations.
So… an inside straight! lol
lol - - -ya buddy
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The NC State ruling was the one I was most interested in because that’s the most similar case to KU’s. No post season ban for NC State is encouraging for what should be coming in regards to KU’s punishment.
I’m still expecting KU to have to vacate the 2017-18 games Silvio played in which obviously includes the Final Four banner that season along with probation and scholarship reductions. I’m also expecting Townsend to get hit with a show-cause tag, maybe not 6 years because it doesn’t appear like the case is as strong against him as it was against Orlando Early. I will also be curious if Self gets a 1 year show-cause.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in IARP update:
The NC State ruling was the one I was most interested in because that’s the most similar case to KU’s. No post season ban for NC State is encouraging for what should be coming in regards to KU’s punishment.
I’m still expecting KU to have to vacate the 2017-18 games Silvio played in which obviously includes the Final Four banner that season along with probation and scholarship reductions. I’m also expecting Townsend to get hit with a show-cause tag, maybe not 6 years because it doesn’t appear like the case is as strong against him as it was against Orlando Early. I will also be curious if Self gets a 1 year show-cause.
The biggest reason NC State did not get hit with post season ban was, the IARP considered it but came to the conclussion that they didn’t want to punish the current members of the team , but yet wanted to make it clear to NC State how serious these were , which is about the only good thing I see as far as we go - -they don’t get post ban I don’t think we will either. As it boils down to the same amount of Level one - which is 5. - -I think Townsend WILL be hit with show cause and if not the same amount then just a little less, he will be lucky to retain his job, as I think the University it’self when this is said and done will let him go if nothing else to try and make themselves look better.
I fully believe the NCAA/IARP is looking to make an example of the BIG FISH in this case ( KU ) to put fear in the other Schools to show them they mean business on violations - -I think it’s bullshit but the NCAA has had it in for KU for some time, -with the IARP and them together they want KU to pay well the NCAA does. - I can see probation multiple years maybe 2 and I also think Coach Self will get show cause just like Gottfried. - -Either way I think we will find out something before to much longer. I guess these cases were handed over to the IARP and in order it was NC State - -then Memphis – Then KU after that so it could be not to much longer. hoping for the best
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@mayjay said in IARP update:
No one yet has explained to me why other cases, with active distribution of money by coaches, are directly applicable to ours.
Uno!
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Yes… makes sense IARP throws the book at us:
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
Yes… makes sense IARP throws the book at us:
Yahtzee! What I tell you about NIL? Leave Oklahoma where you already had a massive NIL deal (even though Riley left) and sign with… Eastern Michigan? And after next season, where to? Lol. He will, afterall, only be a true sophomore.
It is starting to smell, is it not? I mean, why punish anyone for any previous violations at this point or even have an NCAA? Or, do we actually need a governing body with rules? Things to ponder…
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Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons
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Tanned. Rested. Ready.
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@FarmerJayhawk i will boycott basketball.
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@approxinfinity LOL! I wonder how many people actually moved to other countries after the 2016 and 2020 elections?
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@mayjay i will boycott though. The love will be beaten out of me if kansas gets a ban.
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@approxinfinity said in IARP update:
@mayjay i will boycott though. The love will be beaten out of me if kansas gets a ban.
To be clear, only Self and Townsend. KU would still play
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons
Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs
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@jayballer67 said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons
Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs
Nothing is official on that
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@FarmerJayhawk hmm. that actually could be quite interesting.
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Norm has HC experience. If this is the punishment sign me up.
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in IARP update:
@jayballer67 said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
Rumors are flying Self and Townsend getting suspended for the next two postseasons
Dam - usually where there is smoke there is fire- - that sucks green eggs
Nothing is official on that
I’ realize that.
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So do we believe there is much truth to this latest rumor ? - -Sure got them fired up on TOS. - if it is true , are we talking about 2 Seasons starting with this Season. - - I’m more concerned actually about having a show cause put on Self which in turn I think he would just say screw it
Having said that though IF that were to happen bottom line is KU was fine before Coach Self - -we would be fine AFTER Coach Self. - If it came down to it , don’t think we would have any problem what so ever finding ANOTHER big time Coach
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@jayballer67 Wasn’t the source of that rumor from Mike Vernon? Vernon is the one that said Remy was unhappy, and was leaving the team. Remember when Self cursed during the press conference? He was cursing Vernon and his rumor mill. Vernon also told everyone we were going to the B10. Done deal. Now Vernon is back with another rumor. I don’t know if the latest rumor is true, but I would wait until someone legitimate confirmed it. Vernon is considered a whack job by many KU fans.
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@Jethro said in IARP update:
@jayballer67 Wasn’t the source of that rumor from Mike Vernon? Vernon is the one that said Remy was unhappy, and was leaving the team. Remember when Self cursed during the press conference? He was cursing Vernon and his rumor mill. Vernon also told everyone we were going to the B10. Done deal. Now Vernon is back with another rumor. I don’t know if the latest rumor is true, but I would wait until someone legitimate confirmed it. Vernon is considered a whack job by many KU fans.
ya it was. That’s why I was asking exactly how much truth there was to this- - -if anyone knew. - -I mean I suppose it’s possible— -anything is possible , what I’m more worried about then anything else when this is all said and done and that’s them hitting Coach with Show cause- - -and he be like - - -I’m out
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I wouldn’t think we’d bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn’t we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don’t know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?
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Timing of this rumor is suspect.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in IARP update:
I wouldn’t think we’d bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn’t we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don’t know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?
We would probably use one of our assistant coaches
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 thx!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in IARP update:
I wouldn’t think we’d bring in a coach just to coach post season. Wouldn’t we have the ast. Guys that have been with the team the whole time? Makes sense. I don’t know if Danny is just a temp this yr, and if he would just volunteer and hang out with us all yr as an extra. We can only have so many, right?
It wouldn’t make sense to bring an outside coach in because they wouldn’t know the personnel or calls for the season.
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I don’t think we could add to the regular season either was my point. This whole thing is odd to me. I think Self would want to get ahead of this leaking.
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Hmm, if the rumor is true, it must be only about a quarter of a rumor. There’s got to be way more punishment – if there is punishment. Loss of scholarships, fewer official visits, fines, etc. NC State got all that with the same Level 1 infractions?
If we’re punished and it’s just Self and Co. can’t coach in post season, i’ll take it. It means we CAN play in the post season!
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
Hmm, if the rumor is true, it must be only about a quarter of a rumor. There’s got to be way more punishment – if there is punishment. Loss of scholarships, fewer official visits, fines, etc. NC State got all that with the same Level 1 infractions?
If we’re punished and it’s just Self and Co. can’t coach in post season, i’ll take it. It means we CAN play in the post season!
I just got this weird feeling that they are going to make Coach Self - hit him with show Cause , which in turn if they do that I think he walks. Either be asked to resign OR just walk away
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Nah
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@jayballer67 we good.
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Soap Box Stew’s momma, and Vernon’s daddy? have been wrong way more than they’ve been right. I mean- what have they been right about so far?
