Make Love, Not War!
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We need to not go weak on this one. Sorry, life lesson moment - all things have repercussions.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Beat their tails silly at the octagon of room, shake hands, leave. All while dodging the live chickens and/or bananas the crowd tosses at them.
they better have a lot more security in Manhattan - cause this could get really ugly real quick the 1st perceived dirty play - - hard foul
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Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
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@drgnslayr Well said, brother. I hope the K-State fans read it. I have a feeling they won’t be super warm and fuzzy.
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bskeet said:
Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.
Same with this stupid fight. “He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe.”
They can’t even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn’t have reacted that way. I’m not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can’t own up to the smallest of things.
It’s a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.
“iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy.”
No it was clearly a penis and if you’d at least own up to that I’d respect you.
So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn’t care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake “country” it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.
Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.
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Kcmatt7 said:
bskeet said:
Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.
Same with this stupid fight. “He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe.”
They can’t even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn’t have reacted that way. I’m not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can’t own up to the smallest of things.
It’s a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.
“iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy.”
No it was clearly a penis and if you’d at least own up to that I’d respect you.
So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn’t care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake “country” it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.
Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.
So… how do you feel about KSU?
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Kcmatt7 said:
bskeet said:
Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.
Same with this stupid fight. “He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe.”
They can’t even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn’t have reacted that way. I’m not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can’t own up to the smallest of things.
It’s a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.
“iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy.”
No it was clearly a penis and if you’d at least own up to that I’d respect you.
So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn’t care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake “country” it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.
Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.
No lies told here…
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Kcmatt7 said:
bskeet said:
Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.
Same with this stupid fight. “He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe.”
They can’t even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn’t have reacted that way. I’m not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can’t own up to the smallest of things.
It’s a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.
“iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy.”
No it was clearly a penis and if you’d at least own up to that I’d respect you.
So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn’t care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake “country” it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.
Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.
one little problem with that - - - His fricken Coach had told his players to back off and let the Clock run out , yet he feels the need to take the ball and score HIS two points. - - So much for following Coach instructions huh
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
bskeet said:
Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.
Same with this stupid fight. “He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe.”
They can’t even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn’t have reacted that way. I’m not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can’t own up to the smallest of things.
It’s a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.
“iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy.”
No it was clearly a penis and if you’d at least own up to that I’d respect you.
So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn’t care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake “country” it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.
Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.
So… how do you feel about KSU?
Lol
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Kcmatt7 said:
bskeet said:
Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.
Same with this stupid fight. “He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe.”
They can’t even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn’t have reacted that way. I’m not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can’t own up to the smallest of things.
It’s a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.
“iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy.”
No it was clearly a penis and if you’d at least own up to that I’d respect you.
So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn’t care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake “country” it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.
Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.
Upvote * infinity my goodness this is good. @FarmerJayhawk sorry bud the whole tea bagging Hurt is now 2nd place.
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rockchalkwyo said:
Kcmatt7 said:
bskeet said:
Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.
Same with this stupid fight. “He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe.”
They can’t even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn’t have reacted that way. I’m not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can’t own up to the smallest of things.
It’s a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.
“iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy.”
No it was clearly a penis and if you’d at least own up to that I’d respect you.
So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn’t care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake “country” it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.
Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.
Upvote * infinity my goodness this is good. @FarmerJayhawk sorry bud the whole tea bagging Hurt is now 2nd place.
100% agree. While proud of that, this is much better
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We could bring them a couple dozen purple roses! ha
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Okay… I had my plea for kindness and that didn’t seem to fly.
Just curious… is this better? Cast your vote either above or below.
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@drgnslayr win the game should always be enough in terms of trash talk, etc. we have to be the bigger men and walk away. KSU has nothing to lose, they ain’t playing in March in the NCAAs or the NIT. I’d bet money Love doesn’t come off the bench like that if they was ranked and wasn’t going to lose most of their games. Peace is always better than war but sometime war is necessary. “Speak softly but carry a big stick”- Ted Roosevelt or in SDS case a chair lmao.
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@Kcmatt7 agree, but dislike
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Kcmatt7 said:
bskeet said:
Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It’s fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.
I’ll root for KState over Alabama… or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.
After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.
Same with this stupid fight. “He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe.”
They can’t even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn’t have reacted that way. I’m not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can’t own up to the smallest of things.
It’s a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.
“iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy.”
No it was clearly a penis and if you’d at least own up to that I’d respect you.
So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn’t care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake “country” it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.
Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.
But how do you really feel? ha
Back in my KU days a group of us would go over there sometimes. Usually hellraising. Someone over there raised pigs because my memories are tied to smelling pig poo.
I love the rivalry and hope we build it back more. I just don’t accept violence in any form.
I am often around Wildcats and they are good people. Glad I don’t carry a torch of hatred. Not good for anything including your health!
Peace, my friend!
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Being human means being conflicted. Sometimes the more conflicted you are, the more it shows you are connecting with the world around you and recognizing that there is merit in multiple positions. So this is my justification for thumbing up both @drgnslayr and @Kcmatt7 . Can wish for peace and no ill will and dislike every stupid K State meme at the same time. They’re certainly not liking us much right now. And I honor their right to hate KU. I hope they remember Jayhawks are people too as we dunk all over the Octagon of dumb.
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I miss Frank Martin at K State. Beasley was fun to play against, as were Walker, McGruder, and Pullen.
I think for me, my hate for K State starts with their coach being an a-hole, just like Wichita State, and that feeling isn’t abated since they have no discernable face on the roster that I appreciate at the moment, either as a player or as a person.
When we had great teams, I wanted to take our opponent’s best shot. I’d like to get back to wishing the teams we were playing were at their best when we see them.
Dean Wade was decent. I genuinely wished he wasn’t injured, but I also wished that our roster wasn’t built around Dedric Lawson. It was flawed, and I didn’t want to lose to them. So I can’t say I wasn’t relieved that their best player wasn’t at full strength.
Maybe part of what I have lost in sportsmanship is believing in our team
. The game plan and the personnel. Our commitment to 2 bigs is just stupid, our failure to guard the perimeter. Silvio acted like an a-hole on Tuesday, and no well-penned apology that he and his counsel crafted is going to change that in my heart, I think he’s kind of an a-hole right now. Giles, Alexander, Bragg, Preston, De Sousa. Our fine lineage of train-wreck bigs. Hanging out with K-State and talking smack about their glaring deficiencies maybe distracts from our own problems.But then, what kind of awful fan would I be if I wasn’t rooting for one of the best 5 college basketball teams? I suppose I would adapt and appreciate the positives more, not wish that Bill would seek perfection every year. What if I completely ignored recruiting and 5 star 4 star business, just said “here’s the 15 kids we got” and went from there? Maybe I’d be happier. Maybe I’d appreciate the 15 kids [K-State] got a little more too.
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Martin’s act is getting a lot of negative kickback here in Gamecock land. People expecting him to blow a gasket soon. Looks a little like a cartoon steampot sometimes just before BLEWEEEEEE!
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lolol yeah. maybe i’m sentimental.
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Back to REAL LIFE. Today I will have a business meeting with a friend who eats and sleeps Wildcats. I’m certain things will go well though I’m not sure if we reach this topic. Most likely, yes. If it does my comments will be critical of Silvio for his part in this.
We live in a big state but it really is small because you can’t escape Wildcats, Shockers and Jayhawks. In my world I guess I am outnumbered as a Jayhawk.
It is very helpful for me to be outnumbered. I’m forced to deal with things rationally and also forced to see the truth that Wildcats and Shockers are good people, too.
I’m not Mr. Perfect over here. Example… Missouri. I’m not quite as positive about the Mizzou culture. I don’t know if that is because I have less exposure with Tigs so I haven’t had to face that they put their pants on the same as we do. Then there is the history of our two states. And the cultures seem different while the Kansas teams all mix together.
There is a lesson in prejudice here. I am of high education yet I continue to joke about Tigs not having teeth. That must say something…
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@drgnslayr My 9 year old takes after his folks and is a Jayhawk fan. Best part is he’s a good kid and others want to be like him. My friend (a KSU fan) wants to know why in the world his twins want to wear KU garb?!? He really knows it’s my boys influence, so he’s ok with it. (Got them each a KU shirt yesterday too lol)
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@mayjay Interesting to hear. I always thought Frank was over the top. I’m sure he is a good person and has his player’s best interests in mind, but he goes too far with the outbursts…IMO.
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Hawk8086 said:
@mayjay Interesting to hear. I always thought Frank was over the top. I’m sure he is a good person and has his player’s best interests in mind, but he goes too far with the outbursts…IMO.
still is going nuts. He was losing it during the Kentucky win
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Frank Martin in games is wild. Everything else seems like he’s a great person. His coaching tutorials really show he knows the game. Many of his interviews are good. He always did a good interview with the KC Radio guys.
I really like him and Huggins.
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I sure am tired of reading and hearing about Silvio being the culprit. Yes he was wrong for taunting after his devastating block. But please remember how this started. Gordon is the one and only reason we are talking about a fight and suspensions. Without his stupid decision the players are lining up and shaking hands. Lets stop listening to Puke head Vitale and other talking heads and shine the light on the very beginning of this incident. GORDON.
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@Big-Clyde52 respectfully, I don’t expect or demand accountability from K State or ESPN. But I don’t root for them. I expect Kansas players to hold themselves to a high standard. I’m not at the point where I feel Silvio has to be kicked off the team. I just think he acted like an a-hole. I also think that @HighEliteMajor might be right that a fresh start elsewhere could be good for everyone.
It would be tremendous if Silvio stays focused and comes back determined. But that’s a hard ideal to achieve. I just don’t know if all the negative baggage can be shed.
His role was diminished to spot minutes in the rotation and I think that as others have pointed out, that was the powder keg that likely ignited in that end game brawl.
Accountability matters. The letter said the right things. Only time will tell if it was sincere, and if he truly wants to overcome the obstacles and bad mojo over the long haul without a fresh start. I would not blame him if that isn’t possible at Kansas, even if he has the best intentions to work through this.
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Big Clyde52 said:
I sure am tired of reading and hearing about Silvio being the culprit. Yes he was wrong for taunting after his devastating block. But please remember how this started. Gordon is the one and only reason we are talking about a fight and suspensions. Without his stupid decision the players are lining up and shaking hands. Lets stop listening to Puke head Vitale and other talking heads and shine the light on the very beginning of this incident. GORDON.
I wasn’t really sure. The Angle where it said - - A better Angle , what I thought I saw was Sloan was the 1st to push Silvio back and knock him down and then fists were flying and love started throwing fist - could be wrong
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@Big-Clyde52 “Without [Gordon’s] stupid decision the players are lining up and shaking hands.”
Just one thing: When any athlete is standing over an opponent on the ground after a violent blocked shot and taunting him, exactly how likely is it that something physical will not happen?
Silvio made it almost inevitable. So how does that segue to shaking hands?
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Don’t steal the ball, no swatting the ball? In other words, doNt be a DIcK!
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Where was Jeff long?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Don’t really even understand your last two comments. Where was Jeff Long supposed to be? He’s the AD?
It is just complete baloney to somehow attempt to pin this on the KSU kid that stole the ball. It’s the ultimate passing the buck. I’ve seen the comments elsewhere from KU fans and it’s just embarrassing. Sorry, Silvio stood over the guy, taunted him. Undeniable. That’s line that got crossed. And so you know, part of that taunting is basically hanging your junk (guy’s junk) over the top of the opponent – more lovely “cultural” cancer there. But since you like making d*** references, thought we could give it more contextual application here. Soren Petro on 810 addressed that a while back in the football arena with how players much of the time.
But sure, let’s call the KSU player a d***. How hard is it to accept that Silvio was just dead wrong and move on?
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Silvio’s taunt precipitated the fight but KSU started the fight. If they don’t rush the court and start the fight, Silvio is T’d up and game ends in a basketball manner. End of story.
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@HighEliteMajor yes, Silvio was wrong, never said he wasn’t! He should’ve got a T.
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@Crimsonorblue22 In another thread you posted, “Big Dave standing up for his brother. Same for Marcus.” Right. Exactly right. That’s exactly what the KSU players were doing when Silvio escalated and stood over him. You would expect that. You can say that the KSU guys were “standing up for their brother” too. It works both ways. The KSU guys came and got in Silvio’s face to stand up for their brother.
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@HighEliteMajor they started the fight
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Happy Friday everyone! Can’t wait for the game tomorrow!
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Cliff notes as I see it - KSU instigated with the steal. DeSousa elevated it with the taunting. KSU started the fight when several of them shoved DeSousa down. Bill effectively ended the fight when he grabbed McCormack and DeSousa. Suspensions have been handed out. End of story? Or to be continued in Manhattan?
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@mayjay Like I have said before, the blocked shot, the taunting, the players coming off the bench, Silvio raising a chair, the brawl in the stands, the suspensions, etc., etc., and on and on and on, does not happen, IF the bush league Gordon punk does not try to make a selfish grandstand play, that means nothing as far as the outcome is concerned, and lets the clock run out like all the rest of the players were doing. I can not understand why everyone is focused on Silvio this and Silvio that. The ENTIRE incident goes back to actions with 4 seconds left on the clock. I wish we all could concentrate on the CAUSE OF EVERYTHING that transpired after those 4 seconds, instead of picking out a person or incident during the brawl. It is as plain as the nose on our faces.
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@Crimsonorblue22 EXACTLY!!!
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@Bwag EXACTLY!!!
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@dylans The key statement here is: KSU (GORDON) instigated with the steal. End of story!!!
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@Big-Clyde52 I agree Gordon started it, but it takes two to tango. Plenty of fault all around.
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What’s the punishment for Gordon breaking an “unwritten rule” in that situation. Unfortunately the only punishment that could be enforced would be Bruce Weber internally dealing with it, ex: “Bruce Weber announces Gordon will miss Saturday’s game due to violation of team rules” (or something along the lines of that). He has the power to deter that behavior from happening again. I think we all know Bruce isn’t going to sit him regardless of whether his action was the one that set everything in motion.
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@BeddieKU23 The only punishment should be left up to the coach. When BGreene pulled his stupid dunk at the end of a game that was already decided, Self reprimanded him pretty good. And I would not have been mad if Self would have given him a one game suspension. Maybe that would be enough to put a stop to these end of game stunts that have zero outcome to the game that is already decided. Other than that, I have no answers.
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When I was a kid, I absolutely LOVED All-Star Wrestling. Bill Kersten was the mousy announcer that everybody hated/loved. We had Bulldog Bob Brown, Rufus R Jones, Surfer Jesse Ventura (before he was Governor of Minnesota), Dr Ramey and the Interns, Handsome Harley Race, Danny Little Bear, Omar Atlas, Lord Alfred Hayes and so many others. I would stay up way past my bedtime, with the volume turned down low and I reveled in their antics. I remember Jesse Ventura emphatically telling Kersten one tme “I’ll use chains, chairs, baseball bats - whatever it takes baby!!”
It’s a whole lot less entertaining in real life.
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@HighEliteMajor There is a difference between “standing up for a brother” who is being taunted 1 on 1 and “standing up for a brother” who is being physically assaulted 10 to 1. There is also a big difference between taunting and fighting. As several people have pointed out, taunting happens all the time without instigating brawls. Taunting is common, brawls are not. We are in complete agreement that Silvio taunted the K-State player and that was wrong. But pushing and punching a person is an order of magnitude worse offense.
I would then also argue that bringing the stool into it was again an order of magnitude worse than just pushing and punching as it is essentially a weapon. Because of this I think the suspensions are pretty much fair though could be persuaded that the instigator from K-State should have received equal time to Silvio.
The biggest issue I have at this point is the way the situation has been handled by the two programs. Self immediately took responsibility saying “we were in the wrong.” Notice it wasn’t my guys were wrong but “we.” Long put out a statement right after the game apologizing for clearly unacceptable behavior. Self preemptively suspended Silvio indefinitely and still hasn’t confirmed (as far as I know) if there will be anything beyond the 12 games. Silvio put out a statement (yes it was coached) expressing his regret and apologies. From Bruce post game we heard stuff like, yeah I guess maybe it could have been my fault, I called em off but they didn’t do it, I didn’t really see anything so…" We have a statement from the AD admonishing the behavior but showing no contrition and taking no responsibility. “We will live with the consequences” is not a message I can get behind.
Maybe from a PR perspective they had the better strategy because KU is certainly getting all the negative press but that doesn’t make it right.
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Taunting literally happens in every single football game played. It also happens every night in the NBA and quite often on CBB. So if you don’t like taunting I suggest you stop watching sports.
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@Woodrow Quit taunting us…
