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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Good point. We still have an open scholarship and PT in the front court… Malik Williams wouldn’t hurt my feelings.
If he would still be eiligible and could freely transfer, then he should definitely be considered.
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@BShark I think so for sure. Not to mention, he wouldn’t be like a normal commit. He’s been weightlifting and practicing all summer so he still shouldn’t be too far behind besides learning the offense/plays. Another 7-footer added to this team is just terrifying.
Or we could add PG depth if Pearl gets the boot. Davion Mitchell could be Dotson insurance.
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The more I look, the programs in trouble were able to sign guys super early. Almost like they were able to figure out who was for sale early and then take that approach with them and get them signed as soon as the early signing period opened up.
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Kcmatt7 said:
The more I look, the programs in trouble were able to sign guys super early. Almost like they were able to figure out who was for sale early and then take that approach with them and get them signed as soon as the early signing period opened up.
I’m cautiously optimistic with KU. It never made sense to me how AZ and others were able to have crazy depth while KU struggled to get non-wing players. I mean KU has been filling the cracks with transfers and has 9 eligible players this year. Now I considered that a problem, but if it means KU wasn’t directly and profusely cheating well that’s pretty great.
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@mayjay It wasn’t that he was given shoes…
The story goes something like this… I think it was Kurtis Townsend that was recruiting Wiggins. If you recall, there wasn’t a strong indication to know which way he was going. On the day of the announcement, KT called Wiggins’ coach to see if he had any news…
The coach said something like, I don’t know but, today he’s wearing adidas shoes if that’s any indication.
The way I read it was that he had traditionally been wearing Nikes prior to that… I think he had been in Nike camps and such, so folks thought it was a foregone conclusion he would go to a Nike school.
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@bskeet Yea I think Adidas did strike a deal with Wiggins. Doesn’t mean money exchanged hands until after he graduated. But I would bet that they guaranteed to beat Nike’s offer for him no matter what. His parents were both pro athletes and everyone involved seemed to have a good head on their shoulders. I doubt they took money, knowing it could cost them millions in the long run.
Adidas can still help to persuade kids to come to KU. But it is going to take lucrative endorsement deals, and following through on promises made. They will have to build a reputation that the offer they make you before college is the one you get when you leave college.
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bskeet said:
The way I read it was that he had traditionally been wearing Nikes prior to that… I think he had been in Nike camps and such, so folks thought it was a foregone conclusion he would go to a Nike school.
But he is wearing Adidas in the pros…
I’d bet he had a deal in place prior to picking KU.
The whole thing is corrupt and I am tired of it. Id be fine with all minor leagues at this point. None of these kids want to go to school. I cringe listening to these “college educated” guys barely speak English any time a microphone is in their face.
I just cancelled NFL Sunday Ticket and honestly college basketball is next. I have better things to do with my time.
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Time to quote the good book. The love of money is the root of all evil, or in the NCAA version, the love of winning lots of basketball games is the root of all evil.
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@BShark I have never wished more on them finding things on UK in my life. I would love to see Cal go down in the worst way…
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@Kcmatt7 Wow you are right about a lot of the $$ commitments, they happened early in the cycle. Simons probably got paid by Louisville and he committed in his JR year.
Alexander still concerns me. I know his mom took a loan. It was pretty well known that his recruitment was shady and that he wanted money. My main hope is just that KU wasn’t involved directly.
Of course Self benched Alexander when he found out about the loan at least…
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@BeddieKU23 wichita state fans also have a pic of a dump truck
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@BShark I still don’t buy that Cliff’s mom, on her own, got a loan. I think Cliff was behind it all. The important issue was did Coach Self immediately suspend Cliff when the news broke. I’m of the opinion that this recruitment fiasco vindicates Coach Self. How many players have we lost to AZ over the past 5 or so years?
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DanR said:
If Cliff Alexander had been involved, his mom wouldn’t have had to get a loan.
That’s a real knee slapper. Thanks for the laugh.
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If the FBI is looking at the kind of guys shoe companies want to pay they should start looking at the 2 schools that sign 1/3 of the 5 star guys annually! Arizona and Louisville were just starting to reach their true potential with funneling recruits to their schools BUT 2 other schools have already perfected it.
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@BShark niiiiice!
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This is dangerous for Kansas. I am very concerned. The web will expand. We should hold our collective breath.
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@BShark I know. They aren’t even smart about it. If I can take 15 minutes and figure it out, the FBI sure as hell can.
What is funny, think about the Bamba story that happened earlier in the summer. Doesn’t look so far fetched anymore.
I really don’t worry about Cliff. It seems like he wanted money, and as soon as that happened, UK and MSU dropped him like it was nothing. KU stayed in, but we had the leverage at that point. Who were we going to get in a bidding war with? Depaul? Illinois? Doesn’t seem logical. Nobody paid for Cliff so his mom found another way to get paid.
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HighEliteMajor said:
This is dangerous for Kansas. I am very concerned. The web will expand. We should hold our collective breath.
If its dangerous for KU then just about every team in the country is going to get the death penalty! The NCAA would lose hundreds of millions if they were to issue Death Penalty’s to the masses! I think HCBS has kept his nose clean ONLY because KU’s recruiting classes would look much better or more like our peers if he was dirty! Only my opinion and you have every reason to be concerned!
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@Statmachine If our program was “dirty”, then how did we lose Ayton in 1 weekend? After being the clear front runner for 2 years? I already eviscerated an Indiana fan who decided to post "Seeing that Kansas may be involved now…"I asked for proof, and his proof was we’re an Adidas school. Of course, when I pointed out that IU was an Adidas school as well, he back pedaled in a big way. You can’t miss as many recruits as we’ve missed, if we were “cheating”.
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I’m trying to figure out which players are in the DoJ report.
- Player 10 - Bowen
- Player 11 - Afernee Simmons? It is a Louisville recruit. Just can’t figure out who.
- Player 12 - Little
- Player 9 - ? Currently plays for USC.
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DanR said:
If Cliff Alexander had been involved, his mom wouldn’t have had to get a loan.
Maybe his mom spent the money too fast?
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@JayHawkFanToo Cliff drove around in a brand new car at KU. Yeah, he knew nothing about the loan ( wink wink nudge ).
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BeddieKU23 said:
ESPN reporting Both Pitino and AD have been fired
Pitino has been placed on un paid administrative leave, - Jurich has been placed on paid administrative leave. - -The interim Coach will have the say about other coaching staff - -interim Coach will or should be named within 48 hours.
Both the Simmons kid right? and their other top notch recruit de-committed within the hour of Pitino being put on un-paid leave. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jaybate-1.0 yah. I didn’t connect Self’s comments on retiring n 5 yrs to this. but it cant be coincidence. I seriously doubt any wrong doing by Self. Hes a boyscout. But could easily be tired of the recruiting asymmetry which will worsen with the hammer dropping on Adidas.
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@Lulufulu Nike looks like they are getting smashed too. The entire Nike EYBL league just got subpoenas. Guarantee that there was money illegally funneled through there. Nike is about to be in way more trouble than Adidas I think.
Adidas stock, down .1%
Nike stock, down 2%.
That is a very significant drop for Nike in comparison.
I think everyone is sensing that if Nike is involved at the same level Adidas is, and there are 3 times as many Nike schools, shit is about to go down. Especially with people turning on each other now, expect news to just continually leak over the next several months. All of this should eventually be made public record as well so the NCAA will have all the evidence they need in order to have a field day. The fact that the Nike EYBL just got raided means Nike schools should be freaking out right now.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’m trying to figure out which players are in the DoJ report.
- Player 10 - Bowen
- Player 11 - Afernee Simmons? It is a Louisville recruit. Just can’t figure out who.
- Player 12 - Little
- Player 9 - ? Currently plays for USC.
Player 11 is almost certainly Balsa.
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@BShark Didn’t they say that Quinerly got 20k a week or so ago when he committed to AZ?
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Didn’t they say that Quinerly got 20k a week or so ago when he committed to AZ?
Yeah, seems cheap tbh, lol.
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@Kcmatt7 Could I borrow your post?
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@BShark All those people that were slamming Bill for not recruiting well…OMG. They meet with KU, find out there’s no money coming from us, and they sign with the money train ( AZ ).
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@KUSTEVE I’m not as much of a true believer as you. I sure hope you are right though. Rumours abound right now that people are already flipping others.
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Maybe they bring in Larry Brown as interim coach to ensure a squeaky clean probationary period for UL. After all he has lots of experience.
At being interim, I mean. Squeaky clean? Well, not so much.
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@BShark Yep makes sense
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@KUSTEVE Borrow whatever you like. I do expect a cut from any money you make though.
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BShark said:
@KUSTEVE I’m not as much of a true believer as you. I sure hope you are right though. Rumours abound right now that people are already flipping others.
I’m just worried myself , with this as being as big as it is , and we have a LONG way to go on this, your going to see ALOT of recruits re-open their process Simmons & Ramey already de-committed from Louisville. I’m just afraid with KU being such a big part of Adidas, for us to come out in touched in some form shape or another, hopefully IF anything would be minor, like I was hearing off a podcast this is certainly going to put a cloud over College basketball for some time of course old Fran was talking about how happy he was this had happened , saying he had talked to a lot of College Coaches and for the most part these Coaches were trying to do it the right way.
Could really put a halt to any early commits to see how this plays out and what Schools are going to get what. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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There was actually a pretty good post about this on the phog that I tend to agree with.
It’s extremely likely that the vast majority of schools have had player(s) that were paid by the shoecos. That, quite frankly, isn’t even controllable. They were bidding on kids to go to Adidas, Nike, UA schools. The difference is if there was direct involvement with assistant coaches or not. So, say Adidas wins out for Wiggins, promises him a big contract after school. He just has to pick an Adidas school. Well okay let’s call up Kansas and commit, only Adidas school on his list. This does line-up with the KU coaches being somewhat surprised with his commitment IF you believe that.
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Well, I think how KU recruits in the next month or two will tell us how our staff feels about being involved. I’m sure Bill had a heart to heart with each coach to make sure we are or are not involved in anything.
Either we will be aggressive and take advantage of the upcoming chaos with a monster class (and possibly an eligible big man to bolster our front line this year, but that would just be crazy lucky), or we will be in damage control. I think the staff’s actions over the next few weeks will speak a lot towards their innocence.
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Let me tell you about a mystery recruit. Name rhymes with Mason Baitem. Mason grew up watching KU on tv. His family had multiple KU fans in fact, I believe a grad as well. But, Mason was a Nike kid. So when it came time for his final cut, his childhood team did not make the list. This came as a shock to some, but SWOOSH there it is. Ultimately Mason ends up at a school that rhymes with Puke.
Names changed to protect the “innocent”.
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Do I believe Duke directly cheated there? Probably not. I would imagine Duke just takes advantage of being a premier brand and Nike.
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark All those people that were slamming Bill for not recruiting well…OMG. They meet with KU, find out there’s no money coming from us, and they sign with the money train ( AZ ).
PHOF!
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@BShark Not even a glance from him. Never understood. Worked out fine in the end. But then there is always the, what if scenario if we got both him and JJ. What a trio we could have had. Or even, imagine the 5 guard lineup with JJ at the 4 and JT at the 5…
I’m hoping this all works in our favor. This bomb being dropped could be just what Bill needed to land those National Championship pieces we keep losing out to schools at the last second for apparently unknown reasons.
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Ok, how about this one? Louie-ville turns around, and hires Little Pitino …wouldn’t that be hilarious??? I don’t think that would ever happen, but wouldn’t that be funny as hell?
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@mayjay lololol. how about bringing in Pitino’s son? make it an “all in the family” job.
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@Kcmatt7 The fact they set up a recruiting visit for Langford ( if he is half the player Keith was, I want him ) speaks volumes, in my books.
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It kind of blows me away that Louisville is going to get the death penalty (potentially anyways) after this but they didn’t get it after using hookers to recruit players.
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I saw the shoe crap coming a mile away.
Another cheating that HAS to be going on as well is freshman eligibility. If you are under 35 years old you probably don’t remember when the SAT was actually hard for these academic genius basketball players. Prop 48 came around in 1986 and back then players actually couldn’t get the necessary scores on the SAT or ACT. Studs like Larry Johnson(Jr college route), Glenn “Big Dog” Robinson(out his freshman year), etc, etc couldn’t get the grades.
So of course after being barraged with calls of racism the NCAA changed the requirements a bit. Instead of just the SAT and ACT having a score you absolutely must get, they introduced a sliding scale. They now use a combination of high school gpa and a sliding scale test score needed. So if you get a 3.0 in high school you only need a 620 SAT. Of course if you actually earned an HONEST 3.0 then scoring a freaking 800 should be easy. So you can see where this would lead. Fixing high school grades. That way if that is ever caught the colleges have nothing to do with it. See Darrell Arthur.
People at all levels are using these kids and could care less if they actually get an education.
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@wissox It’s the cumulative effect of having so many major violations in such a short timeframe that’ll get them a potential death penalty.
Arizona is also likely to get a pretty steep punishment as well based on the number of players they have involved as well as an assistant coach involved as well.
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@BigBad As a veteran inner city school teacher, all you have to do to earn a 3.0 is come to school and work hard. We have so many low performing students that we reward kids for their hard work. There often is a huge disconnect between ACT scores and GPA in our schools.
