Jaybate This Is Your Day
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@jaybate-1.0 more likely than not, this one guy was caught committing fraud and that was what opened the investigation. It wasn’t a probe into CBB, but a probe into this mans finances that lead to them seeing a much larger illegal activity going on in CBB.
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I only mentioned that KU was involved in recruiting them. It’s reassuring that we didn’t wave the biggest check around for any of these guys as we cast a wide net in recruiting and so far nothing that is known that implicates KU doing anything wrong.
But if your Delusional Jeff at Maryland’s board all you care about is KU getting tied to this so that he can run some more articles to his subscribers. We might as well make him a We Hate Kansas t-shirt, sweatshirt, coffee mug as a nice starter kit. Sad.
I’m sure Kansas along with every single major Power 5 program is in some sort of damage control. At the least they are holding meetings to discuss if there is anything they need to get ahead of. The big bad wolf is here, not the teacher’s pet (NCAA) who might scold and slap you on the wrist. The fallout of this could be catostrophic accross the board or this is the warning shot and things slowly go back to normal. You’d hope if the FBI has more to provide that they continue to drop the hammers because otherwise people will still continue to do business.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@jaybate-1.0 more likely than not, this one guy was caught committing fraud and that was what opened the investigation. It wasn’t a probe into CBB, but a probe into this mans finances that lead to them seeing a much larger illegal activity going on in CBB.
Correct. More info came out on it. He invested some funds without permission. Of course 2.35 million is a lot of money to appear out of nowhere so it was looked into which lead to the current cases.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I only mentioned that KU was involved in recruiting them. It’s reassuring that we didn’t wave the biggest check around for any of these guys as we cast a wide net in recruiting and so far nothing that is known that implicates KU doing anything wrong.
But if your Delusional Jeff at Maryland’s board all you care about is KU getting tied to this so that he can run some more articles to his subscribers. We might as well make him a We Hate Kansas t-shirt, sweatshirt, coffee mug as a nice starter kit. Sad.
I’m sure Kansas along with every single major Power 5 program is in some sort of damage control. At the least they are holding meetings to discuss if there is anything they need to get ahead of. The big bad wolf is here, not the teacher’s pet (NCAA) who might scold and slap you on the wrist. The fallout of this could be catostrophic accross the board or this is the warning shot and things slowly go back to normal. You’d hope if the FBI has more to provide that they continue to drop the hammers because otherwise people will still continue to do business.
It’s on a knife edge with the people currently charged. It sounds like if everyone lawyers up well (duhhh) then at most people are looking at just under 3 years in jail but much more likely significantly less, even if fully convicted. Of course, all it takes is them flipping one more of these guys so that he gives out more names. Then more people get arrested, more schools are implicated and the FBI has more people to try and flip if need be.
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@BeddieKU23 Good idea! But a thought here… Did the CIA ever consider an exploding coffee cup with “Numero Uno Dictator” or “I hate USA” on it for Fidel? Seems like it could have been an entire product line and made it easier to deal with Gaddafi, Khomeini, Saddaam, and so many others. The T-shirts could have itch powder.
Heck, forget the exploding version. How about a certain Leader drinking from a “Make America Glow Again” cup (delivered by Rodman to Rocket Man) with a handle that conveniently breaks to dump hot tea all over his lap?
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I’m sure there is more that will come out from this.
Merl Code the EYBL guy I’m sure is a brain full of coaches, names, handlers, advisors, runners etc that could be a mile long list.
Will be interesting to see what other information leaks out. Now is the best time if they want the biggest audience.
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I’m curious to see what serial handlers will go to jail.
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@BeddieKU23 I’M really just kind of shell shockd. - I feel pretty comfortable saying as if I usually stay pretty much in thins but DAM, this is some crazy s- - -. - -Here is something I’ll ask maybe possibly others thinking it , but I’ll go ahead and ask it.
How many of us on this site and please be honest, how many fear that in some way we ( KU ) doesn’t get hit no matter how minor in this whole escapade one way or another? - -Even in the slightest bit. This just seems to large scale, and with us being such a huge partner with Adidas I just worry in some shape or form , and I know I can’t be the ONLY one that feels this way at least to some kind of degree. This thing is really going to snowball
Will this whole thing in turn have huge implications with shoe contracts now? - I mean Nike , Armour All, Adidas, - how will this effect the AAU circuit? Lots of questions. - AAU coaches involved, spots agents, shoe companies, Financial Advisors. - -This thing could go for awhile. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Alexander, Diallo, Wiggins, Jackson, Selby. You tell me if KU is clean… Quite ironically, KU could have mostly done fine w/o those players. Jackson I’d argue was vital though.
And I mean, presumably, KU was in a bidding war with Arizona on those recruits they lost out on. That stuff could come out. Likely not very actionable by the FBI since they didn’t pay but stuff you could be sanctioned for. Now, if most of the NCAA is guilty, what happens then?
Too many scenarios here to guess at which one plays out.
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KU has nothing to worry about right now. Everyone lawyered up, nobody is going to jail for an eternity here. If some of these people talk to plea down then we’ll see what happens.
The 2 most important factors to KU’s future I believe are the director of Adidas, what does he say when he’s being charged? The other being the EYBL guy Code. Obviously those guys have the opportunity to open another can of worms about a lot of programs.
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BeddieKU23 said:
KU has nothing to worry about right now. Everyone lawyered up, nobody is going to jail for an eternity here. If some of these people talk to plea down then we’ll see what happens.
The 2 most important factors to KU’s future I believe are the director of Adidas, what does he say when he’s being charged? The other being the EYBL guy Code. Obviously those guys have the opportunity to open another can of worms about a lot of programs.
100% agree.
Hold hands and hope, lol.
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If Cliff Alexander had been involved, his mom wouldn’t have had to get a loan.
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@DanR Literally my same thoughts. Not overly worried about him.
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PAGE 37 of a maryland thread about this and Bill Self is still dirty and they are snap-shotting what should be a live look at Self’s home when the FBI comes calling. sad world
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@BeddieKU23 Maryland fans should be more worried about how they came up with this so called fab 5 recruiting class
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@BeddieKU23 Everyone thinks because Adidas reps we’re involved… Funny because the only school popped so far that was Adidas was Louisville (who everyone had to know was paying players after they never missed a beat even after having a massive scandal).
They might find information someone got paid, but it won’t be because we knew about it. I don’t even think that they would make us vacate wins.
The funniest thing, is that UK fans keep saying we are dirty. When Camby got caught taking money and CLEARLY was paid to go to UMass. The number 1 recruit in the country picks UMass… Give me a break. But, really good stuff over on the rafters today. Entertaining.
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3genhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 Maryland fans should be more worried about how they came up with this so called fab 5 recruiting class
Don’t worry their long standing history of landing top recruits sets them apart from any of the mess. They are completely clean, free to roam about the landscape.
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There is a lot of good stuff going on everywhere. Louisville fans are pissed at their mod for wanting the program to start over fresh. Some of them want their AD to keep his job, you know the same one that’s been there for now a 3rd scandal involving the basketball program alone. So even the schools directly in the mud have the delusional types coming out of the woodworks to say otherwise.
I couldn’t make my way to UK’s board if I was given a bribe. Funny, I know.
Presently it doesn’t seem like Kentucky has much to worry about, which is the same boat I put KU in. Them pointing fingers at us is just a childish mental decision.
The FBI caught who they caught for now, if they uncover more as the fallout continues then maybe some of the bigger programs such as KU, UK, Duke etc will have something to worry about. Then the little guys can have something to cry about.
Of the Elite’s, Arizona is definitely going to see some fallout. Sean Miller was interviewed by the FBI this week. Pitino is going to be fired and from everything he’s put Louisville through, its long overdue.
I’ll be interested in seeing what people have to say in a few weeks when this starts to fade from people’s thoughts. This will be a very slow process I think
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ESPN reporting Both Pitino and AD have been fired
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I’ll be interested in seeing what the NCAA does to the current players. They should have the ability to find a new future without restriction. I can’t imagine any of their 2018 class will stick. They were loading up on talent once again.
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Feels like a Christmas game of Russian Roulette… festive, yet…
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@BeddieKU23 Good point. We still have an open scholarship and PT in the front court… Malik Williams wouldn’t hurt my feelings.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Good point. We still have an open scholarship and PT in the front court… Malik Williams wouldn’t hurt my feelings.
If he would still be eiligible and could freely transfer, then he should definitely be considered.
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@BShark I think so for sure. Not to mention, he wouldn’t be like a normal commit. He’s been weightlifting and practicing all summer so he still shouldn’t be too far behind besides learning the offense/plays. Another 7-footer added to this team is just terrifying.
Or we could add PG depth if Pearl gets the boot. Davion Mitchell could be Dotson insurance.
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The more I look, the programs in trouble were able to sign guys super early. Almost like they were able to figure out who was for sale early and then take that approach with them and get them signed as soon as the early signing period opened up.
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Kcmatt7 said:
The more I look, the programs in trouble were able to sign guys super early. Almost like they were able to figure out who was for sale early and then take that approach with them and get them signed as soon as the early signing period opened up.
I’m cautiously optimistic with KU. It never made sense to me how AZ and others were able to have crazy depth while KU struggled to get non-wing players. I mean KU has been filling the cracks with transfers and has 9 eligible players this year. Now I considered that a problem, but if it means KU wasn’t directly and profusely cheating well that’s pretty great.
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@mayjay It wasn’t that he was given shoes…
The story goes something like this… I think it was Kurtis Townsend that was recruiting Wiggins. If you recall, there wasn’t a strong indication to know which way he was going. On the day of the announcement, KT called Wiggins’ coach to see if he had any news…
The coach said something like, I don’t know but, today he’s wearing adidas shoes if that’s any indication.
The way I read it was that he had traditionally been wearing Nikes prior to that… I think he had been in Nike camps and such, so folks thought it was a foregone conclusion he would go to a Nike school.
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@bskeet Yea I think Adidas did strike a deal with Wiggins. Doesn’t mean money exchanged hands until after he graduated. But I would bet that they guaranteed to beat Nike’s offer for him no matter what. His parents were both pro athletes and everyone involved seemed to have a good head on their shoulders. I doubt they took money, knowing it could cost them millions in the long run.
Adidas can still help to persuade kids to come to KU. But it is going to take lucrative endorsement deals, and following through on promises made. They will have to build a reputation that the offer they make you before college is the one you get when you leave college.
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bskeet said:
The way I read it was that he had traditionally been wearing Nikes prior to that… I think he had been in Nike camps and such, so folks thought it was a foregone conclusion he would go to a Nike school.
But he is wearing Adidas in the pros…
I’d bet he had a deal in place prior to picking KU.
The whole thing is corrupt and I am tired of it. Id be fine with all minor leagues at this point. None of these kids want to go to school. I cringe listening to these “college educated” guys barely speak English any time a microphone is in their face.
I just cancelled NFL Sunday Ticket and honestly college basketball is next. I have better things to do with my time.
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Time to quote the good book. The love of money is the root of all evil, or in the NCAA version, the love of winning lots of basketball games is the root of all evil.
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@BShark I have never wished more on them finding things on UK in my life. I would love to see Cal go down in the worst way…
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@Kcmatt7 Wow you are right about a lot of the $$ commitments, they happened early in the cycle. Simons probably got paid by Louisville and he committed in his JR year.
Alexander still concerns me. I know his mom took a loan. It was pretty well known that his recruitment was shady and that he wanted money. My main hope is just that KU wasn’t involved directly.
Of course Self benched Alexander when he found out about the loan at least…
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@BeddieKU23 wichita state fans also have a pic of a dump truck
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@BShark I still don’t buy that Cliff’s mom, on her own, got a loan. I think Cliff was behind it all. The important issue was did Coach Self immediately suspend Cliff when the news broke. I’m of the opinion that this recruitment fiasco vindicates Coach Self. How many players have we lost to AZ over the past 5 or so years?
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DanR said:
If Cliff Alexander had been involved, his mom wouldn’t have had to get a loan.
That’s a real knee slapper. Thanks for the laugh.
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If the FBI is looking at the kind of guys shoe companies want to pay they should start looking at the 2 schools that sign 1/3 of the 5 star guys annually! Arizona and Louisville were just starting to reach their true potential with funneling recruits to their schools BUT 2 other schools have already perfected it.
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@BShark niiiiice!
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This is dangerous for Kansas. I am very concerned. The web will expand. We should hold our collective breath.
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@BShark I know. They aren’t even smart about it. If I can take 15 minutes and figure it out, the FBI sure as hell can.
What is funny, think about the Bamba story that happened earlier in the summer. Doesn’t look so far fetched anymore.
I really don’t worry about Cliff. It seems like he wanted money, and as soon as that happened, UK and MSU dropped him like it was nothing. KU stayed in, but we had the leverage at that point. Who were we going to get in a bidding war with? Depaul? Illinois? Doesn’t seem logical. Nobody paid for Cliff so his mom found another way to get paid.
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HighEliteMajor said:
This is dangerous for Kansas. I am very concerned. The web will expand. We should hold our collective breath.
If its dangerous for KU then just about every team in the country is going to get the death penalty! The NCAA would lose hundreds of millions if they were to issue Death Penalty’s to the masses! I think HCBS has kept his nose clean ONLY because KU’s recruiting classes would look much better or more like our peers if he was dirty! Only my opinion and you have every reason to be concerned!
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@Statmachine If our program was “dirty”, then how did we lose Ayton in 1 weekend? After being the clear front runner for 2 years? I already eviscerated an Indiana fan who decided to post "Seeing that Kansas may be involved now…"I asked for proof, and his proof was we’re an Adidas school. Of course, when I pointed out that IU was an Adidas school as well, he back pedaled in a big way. You can’t miss as many recruits as we’ve missed, if we were “cheating”.
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I’m trying to figure out which players are in the DoJ report.
- Player 10 - Bowen
- Player 11 - Afernee Simmons? It is a Louisville recruit. Just can’t figure out who.
- Player 12 - Little
- Player 9 - ? Currently plays for USC.
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DanR said:
If Cliff Alexander had been involved, his mom wouldn’t have had to get a loan.
Maybe his mom spent the money too fast?
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@JayHawkFanToo Cliff drove around in a brand new car at KU. Yeah, he knew nothing about the loan ( wink wink nudge ).
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BeddieKU23 said:
ESPN reporting Both Pitino and AD have been fired
Pitino has been placed on un paid administrative leave, - Jurich has been placed on paid administrative leave. - -The interim Coach will have the say about other coaching staff - -interim Coach will or should be named within 48 hours.
Both the Simmons kid right? and their other top notch recruit de-committed within the hour of Pitino being put on un-paid leave. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jaybate-1.0 yah. I didn’t connect Self’s comments on retiring n 5 yrs to this. but it cant be coincidence. I seriously doubt any wrong doing by Self. Hes a boyscout. But could easily be tired of the recruiting asymmetry which will worsen with the hammer dropping on Adidas.
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@Lulufulu Nike looks like they are getting smashed too. The entire Nike EYBL league just got subpoenas. Guarantee that there was money illegally funneled through there. Nike is about to be in way more trouble than Adidas I think.
Adidas stock, down .1%
Nike stock, down 2%.
That is a very significant drop for Nike in comparison.
I think everyone is sensing that if Nike is involved at the same level Adidas is, and there are 3 times as many Nike schools, shit is about to go down. Especially with people turning on each other now, expect news to just continually leak over the next several months. All of this should eventually be made public record as well so the NCAA will have all the evidence they need in order to have a field day. The fact that the Nike EYBL just got raided means Nike schools should be freaking out right now.
