The portal.
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Are there rules that cover practice players? For instance, could Zeke, etc return as a practice / scout player? I’ve always thought it helps teams to play against the best practice squad possible. Would it make sense to invest in that?
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Don’t believe he has an offer there but ya know nothing is believable until it happens
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Coward is down to Bama and Duke. Nike bidding war
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Coward is down to Bama and Duke. Nike bidding war
This is actually one I was surprised we didn’t get involved in.
His film is so good. He is productive and efficient and fills a need in a bad, bad way.
If we end up with the TTU guy it’s fine. Good backup plan. But Coward is a total stud.
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@BeddieKU23 been Bama is the talk
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
I hope Darrion Williams likes having sex and drinking coffee enough to not pick BYU
I’m assuming this was tongue in cheek but just in case, you don’t have to be Mormon to go to BYU.
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Honestly just think he fits better with Bama if that’s his destination, or Duke same, situation. They are both running offenses beter suited to him.
Self has to prove with Peterson he’s going to adapt from a pound it inside philosophy to a perimeter based attack. We all know as die hard fans he’s capable of it but it’s been several seasons now of the same ole.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t want to gamble on such an important position with a guy coming off a major injury and not a ton of action against top level teams. He only played 6 games this season and didn’t exactly light it up against defensive juggernaut Iowa in his only game against a p4 team. Probably expensive as well and KU is not exactly rolling with cash left it sounds (majority of funds tied up right now).
Williams might not be affordable either but he’s a surefire stud. Stokes as well. Those guys can move the needle. Not sure Coward will.
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@RockkChalkk I think you can be suspended from the team if you violate the university code of ethics.
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@RockkChalkk I think you can be suspended from the team if you violate the university code of ethics.
Chaste and Virtuous Life: Students are expected to live a life that aligns with the principles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including avoiding premarital sexual relations. Abstinence: Students are expected to abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, vaping, marijuana, and other substances.
How do they get any non-Mormon recruits?
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@dylans It’s called an unlimited NIL supply. Just heard them talking about BYU’s money
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Was just watching 247 portal program talking about commits-- who was left- -NIL money and such. Travis Brennan from 247 said sa of this point and time he says he thinks KU is the leader for Williams & if he had to rate transfers that he personally would rate him right at or very close to the top rated players in the Portal.
HE DID say now of course BYU has the unlimited Money supply BUT right now thinks KU is the one who should be considered the favorite
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Elite athletes treat their body like a mormon temple… surrounding themselves with non-athletes that do the same might actually make higher standards easier.
I didn’t drink coffee in college…
Beer though.
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What is the play now that the portal has closed, the vast majority of entrants committed (certainly of the top 100), and we have the 31st ranked portal class (per 247)? I assume someone on the board has a good idea.
Are we putting a lot/all our eggs in the Stokes or Williams basket? Where are the points (and rebounds) going to come from with who we have now? We have 5ppg coming back - that’s it. Flory should be improved, but he is not going to be a big scorer. Are White, Dawson and Council going to up their scoring averages against B12 competition? Doubtful. Let’s assume they can maintain their scoring average and Flory doubles to 10ppg. Those four get us less than 50ppg. Maybe DP can get 20ppg+. Bench points? If opponents clog the middle and dare to knock down 3s, who can consistently do that?
Do we currently have a roster that can be competitive game to game? Yes, but compete for a B12 title, let alone a NC? Doesn’t seem to be close to that. DP better be the best player in the country and unstoppable…
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@DCHawker Remind me to answer you when we have all our roster spots filled.
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We have had several swings and miss , 247 saying that Eleven of the top fifth teen have committed
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@DCHawker The roster is still incomplete. There’s still quality players in the portal and there will be players withdrawing from the draft who are mostly the highest ceiling players available.
As far as scoring, yes Darryn Peterson is that good. Flory should see a big bump as long as he bulks up a bit this offseason and probablymore than doubles his scoring output. Tre White will likely see a little scoring bump as he’ll likely play closer to 30 mpg, but is a proven double digit per game scorer in a power conference at both Illinois and Louisville.
I also believe that since KU hasn’t really been linked to a high level PG that the staff expects Elmarko be a major factor and if he plays anywhere near his ceiling, he’s another double digit per game scorer.
KU will be fine, Self has clearly shown this offseason that he has a better understanding of the portal and has recruited players that should be much better fits than last season.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/04/2025-nba-draft-early-entrants-list.html
This has a list of players who have declared for the draft and has a list of players who could withdraw before the May 28 deadline. Somewhere in that list is likely where the last big piece of the puzzle will come from. Even if not, I do believe there will be at least 3 future NBA players on KU’s roster next season with Peterson, Flory, and Elmarko.
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You are spot on here. Self is being more careful to only look for players that fit in his scheme this time.
I feel comfortable that we get at least one more very solid starter piece.
Flory needs more offensive moves… but he’s going to rack up good numbers regardless. This year he will be starting and counted on… that means everything to him. He will rack up numbers just by hustling more. I don’t see him as NBA ready for quite some time. But he’ll have plenty of NIL money to bide his time and develop. If he’s smart, he’ll do it in college instead of being traded every other week in developmental ball at the next level.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Who do you see backing Flory ?— Still no back up Big.
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Don’t think that’s actually the case. Not getting into bidding wars for guys, Flory cost double what they might have expected so that took available capital that could have went elsewhere. They have been selective and diligent about things this cycle. We shall see if it pays off. They obviously have 2 major needs still if this is to be anything close to a good portal season. The waiting and constant circus does suck tho
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Wonder if Desmond Claude would be an option if Williams doesn’t work out. Previous relationship from HS…
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Who do you see backing Flory ?— Still no back up Big.
That’s potentially one of the needs, but if Tiller can recover from his ankle surgery in an expected timeline which would have him cleared in time for summer workouts, that would be the ideal option behind Flory. Tiller has less shooting range than KJ did so he wouldn’t be much use at the 4 on offense, but as a back up 5, would be a good situation. This might be what the staff is anticipating as well considering KU hasn’t really been connected with many post options in the portal to this point.
Right now, Self is more focused on trying to find his 5th starter rather than a back up post option so we might see more movement in regards to a back up 5 after the Williams/Stokes situation is settled. That said, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if Bryson Tiller ended up being Flory’s primary back up.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Elite athletes treat their body like a mormon temple… surrounding themselves with non-athletes that do the same might actually make higher standards easier.
I didn’t drink coffee in college…
Beer though.
It seemed like more were like John Daly than Tiger Woods back in the day.
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May not STILL be to late to get in on that big w need to team up with/Flory. Jor Tipton pasted that 6" 11 Louisville Big Man James Scott Soph , has entered the ported. This came out about a hour and a half ago.
Not huge numbers and yet averaged 7.1 ppg 7 6.1 rpg not monster by any means but team him with Flory think it would be very suffice production wise and the two combined would make up a quality tandem at the Five. We could at least dabble our toes get a feel what the water might be like on this guy.
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Was listening to locked on Jay Haqks and from I’m hearing there is a number between Ku & Williams just trying to make it work as thete is mutual interest.
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He’s apparently also saying his focus is the draft right now so there may not be anything happening as quickly as we hope it will. Things are subject to change as always. There’s a competitive offer for him but perhaps not the number he’s seeking atm
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Well guys I just got to say this and I know more likely then not there will be some even a lot possibly will say or think I’m the forever eternal pessimist and that’s ok , everyone is entitled to speak their thoughts and we are all adults and a great open forum , and you have your right to your thoughts and opinions that’s fine totally understand, you probably think I’m 1000 5 wrong – that’s ok It’s just what i think at this moment.
So with having said that I got to say I’m am far not overly impressed with this portal recruitment, I’m just not. Tell me who in this group of three portal commits really impresses you - - -sweeps you off your feet , you feel is a home run ? – -Who in this group puts fear into opponent’s teams ? ? opposing players ?
it just seems these last couple of years we have lost our edge.—Is it lack of NIL money ?- - is it because of weak links in our staff and or the staff effort /–Has Coach lost his killer instinct-- ability to close ? I think it could be a little of all mentioned. Face it , it use to be most people would consider anytime they came to the Phog- -we would take them out, that great Phog mystique you could almost book it. There are teams not NOT AFRAID to come to the Phog and play anymore. What happened to the intimidation factor of just the building it 'self The Dogs KU use to have to go along with it. It’s just not the same atmosphere, we get behind and the crowd goes silent a lot sooner- the Post Game ROCK CHALK is really gotten sad
Right now these guys are just not what we use to be , say what you want these players today are more about the Money rather then the Schol and tradition. Again other then Peterson who scares you other then Peterson for opposing players ?- -Now things could change if we some ho pull Williams then much better I just don’t know if any. this is just a mediocre group quality bunch , but a group that will make a serious run-- I don’t think so, not right now. Thanks guys for listening, right or wrong.
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@SlimShaddy54 we got 3 role players from the portal and we need 2 more starters. If we cant recruit 2 more guys that are at least as good as the ones we have gotten from the portal, my hopes arent going to be super high. If we dont have 5 clear starter level players we at least need high level depth.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 we got 3 role players from the portal and we need 2 more starters. If we cant recruit 2 more guys that are at least as good as the ones we have gotten from the portal, my hopes arent going to be super high. If we dont have 5 clear starter level players we at least need high level depth.
This is all super weird.
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@approxinfinity well Tre White is a guy that started for a better team last year and word around Omaha is Bill promised Dawson he will start.
Best case right now is one more high caliber player while keeping everyone currently on the roster.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity well Tre White is a guy that started for a better team last year and word around Omaha is Bill promised Dawson he will start.
Best case right now is one more high caliber player while keeping everyone currently on the roster.
Splitting hairs, but not sure Illinois was really a better team - 22-13. Regardless, White averaged only 23mpg, 6th most on the team. 5th leading scorer. Only 70 3PA - seventh on the team and half of every other starter. 33% on 3s. Decent rebounder, but less than 1 APG for a guard/wing? Seems like more of a solid rotation piece than a starter on a title contending team. Fine with Dawson as a starting combo guard with DP, with Council and Elmarko rotating, but we need another big wing/4 who should be the 1st or 2nd scoring option. We have no size right now. Even then, unless we are confident that Elmarko and Tiller are fully recovered from injuries and can contribute serious minutes, we are woefully short of quality depth, esp. up front…
Pitino has completely restocked SJU in the portal with quality players - can’t imagine that the Johnnies have a bigger NIL budget than KU? Same with several other teams that, at least 'til now, appear to have done a lot more with the portal. I fully support getting guys who “fit”, which wasn’t the case last year, but the wait and see game is excruciating…
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
May not STILL be to late to get in on that big w need to team up with/Flory. Jor Tipton pasted that 6" 11 Louisville Big Man James Scott Soph , has entered the ported. This came out about a hour and a half ago.
Not huge numbers and yet averaged 7.1 ppg 7 6.1 rpg not monster by any means but team him with Flory think it would be very suffice production wise and the two combined would make up a quality tandem at the Five. We could at least dabble our toes get a feel what the water might be like on this guy.
Rumor is Will Wade tampered with him.
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I agree it’s been underwhelming but here’s my rebuttal. We took high profile transfers the past two seasons and got what for it?
Perhaps after 2 years of hindsight they had to find better fits and guys that were affordable which is very hard to do. The war chest isn’t unlimited and Peterson and Flory take up a ton, plus the 3 transfers you did get.
Still work to be done to judge this offseason. I don’t see how you can stop until you find at least 1 more starter and a legit backup big.
I’m optimistic that after all this circus is over and the roster is set that there will be a team ready to buy in. Peterson leading should be a welcome change in town. He’s got a chance to be the best player in the country and guys will play up around him
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@BeddieKU23 4.6 for Darryn and Flory from KU alone…
Staff took their time and I think found good fits. I think they learned a major lesson about trying to have guys play a completely different way than they did the previous season. Watching Illinois games, it’s very clear Tre White would translate. Bill will use him in the same ways as Brad and it makes perfect sense. Good IQ and effort player. Won’t need to run much for him either, but he is a good cutter.
For people that don’t know the full deal with Council… KU actually started watching St Bonaventure games because of Lajae Jones (KU would never tamper) and fell in love with Council instead. Having watched a lot of Bonnie games myself I can see why on both fronts. Jones is a guy that should have better numbers but he will drift through games sometimes and doesn’t always assert himself. Council otoh is a certified DOG.
All this said they NEED one more meaningful addition. A guy with some size that can hopefully shoot it a bit.
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@TYOHawk Oh , ok. Well we certainly don’t need to be getting mixed up in any of that then I reckon , Thanks for the info— just keep looking
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@BeddieKU23 Oh I agree with Peterson & Flory about the only one of the three that really does anything maybe Dawson , heard good things on him-- White doesn’t move the needle, tries to bully not much on outside shots-- a little not much, Council ya good defensively again his outside gsme is suspect. Just afraid if we can’t find a solid wing that can score on three levels just going to be a repeat. Teams pack the lane keep Darryn from driving and force us to prove to them we have someone who can hit the three or consistent outside J
You make my point too because I agree with you 100 % we STILL NED that wing and a dam back up for Flory. With this current group as of now sure might contend for Big Twelve but to make serious noise in the NCAA’S – right now just can’t see it.
