Interesting Rumor/Note
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Indiana is undergoing a coaching search for those unaware. Well one of their major long time and respected writers said basically that they contacted Oats and he said he would really only leave Alabama for the Kansas job. Means nothing really, but interesting!
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@BShark nice!
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@BShark I wouldn’t want to go to KU if I were him. Their fans have crazy high expectations!
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@nuleafjhawk Ya what he said
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@BShark said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
Indiana is undergoing a coaching search for those unaware. Well one of their major long time and respected writers said basically that they contacted Oats and he said he would really only leave Alabama for the Kansas job. Means nothing really, but interesting!
No offense to Indiana, but they are a has been. Not a blue blood. The audacity to think they could poach Oats from Bama is rich.
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@Kcmatt7 good thing we arent a has been… yet
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Maybe related, maybe not. I’ve heard varying opinions from some who would know, but there are certainly rumors next season is Bill’s swan song.
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@FarmerJayhawk It wouldn’t surprise me
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@approxinfinity said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
@Kcmatt7 good thing we arent a has been… yet
We are headed down that road currently, next year is one of the biggest seasons in KU BB history IMO.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
Maybe related, maybe not. I’ve heard varying opinions from some who would know, but there are certainly rumors next season is Bill’s swan song.
I’m at like 95% on that. Rumors of a succession plan that I’d be pretty okay with, but would require some pr massaging. I’m sure that’s far from a done deal though.
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Oats hoops would shock the boomer part of the fanbase down to its core. I’d be pretty happy with it though
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@BShark said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
Maybe related, maybe not. I’ve heard varying opinions from some who would know, but there are certainly rumors next season is Bill’s swan song.
I’m at like 95% on that. Rumors of a succession plan that I’d be pretty okay with, but would require some pr massaging. I’m sure that’s far from a done deal though.
Yeah I’m sure it’s one plan of many in play right now. Goff is incredibly methodical and this will be the biggest hire of his tenure. I’m a football fan first but I’m not under any impression I’m in the majority
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@rcjhdraft said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
Oats hoops would shock the boomer part of the fanbase down to its core. I’d be pretty happy with it though
Not as much as you’d think. It’d remind people of Roy in regards to tempo.
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“This is the first time it has crossed my mind. I actually hope to do it a while longer. Times are different. I used to look at it, and I got a dear friend who talked to me about this all the time. You kind of look at life in five-year increments. I’m not sure it’s five years anymore. Maybe two or three. And then, you decide what you do after those increments. I don’t know how you guys look at it, but that’s not anything I’ve spent any time one. I like our team and I’m very excited about a recruiting class moving forward. I don’t have the answer, but I know that I’m just in the back nine. I don’t know if I’m on 13 or 16, but I’m not on 18.”
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@jay4ever past tense on friend… eddie sutton maybe?
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@BShark said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
Maybe related, maybe not. I’ve heard varying opinions from some who would know, but there are certainly rumors next season is Bill’s swan song.
I’m at like 95% on that. Rumors of a succession plan that I’d be pretty okay with, but would require some pr massaging. I’m sure that’s far from a done deal though.
Writing has been on the wall for the last 2 years plus this one. Health scare, team declining - not reaching new heights and running things like he’d thought or heck we’d thought.
You can’t hint at succession without throwing names out there. If it ain’t Oats is it Beard or Pearl?
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Oats has to be at or near the top of ideal replacement candidates.
I would stop watching if they go with Beard. Hiring someone who has chocked their fiancé is a line not worth crossing. Think player sexual assault allegations is a bad look for the university, try imagining headlines where the coach has killed his spouse. No thank you.
Pearl is older than Self, so not a great option either. He also always struck me as being more of a kstate culture fit.
Bill Self likes winning though. If we make a splash in the tournament and have a good next year, I wouldn’t be surprised if stays around longer than expected.
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@kuballin10 20. 9. 2. H.O.F.
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Early guess for the KU hire: Chris Beard
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@BShark said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
Early guess for the KU hire: Chris Beard
I would absolutely hate that. His baggage isn’t the type I’d like to see leading KU’s basketball team.
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Gotta Be – ( Bruce Weber ) lol - -Seriously maybe able to convince Brad Stevans
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Yeah would be very upset if it was Beard. He certainly had shown some high level coaching ability at Tech but was Adams the guru behind it all?. I havent paid much attention to Ole Miss but recently watched them and they were awful that night. However I know he’s had them competitive and ranked.
There’s going to be a good amount of weaknesses with anyone stepping into this role. There are certain things I like about Oats for example, tempo, high Powered offense, recruiting but not a defensive guy, not a likeable guy in media and certainly anyone who remembers the Brandon Miller saga, he comes with some baggage in ways.
As usual I have no idea who’d I want currently. The current landscape makes everything so difficult to know what would even be a good hire
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Don’t forget that the last two guys we hired weren’t exactly big names…
If Self calls it quits, i’m sure there’s a list of tiered candidates in an office somewhere on Naismith Drive.
I vote for Danny! (and a slew of brilliant O and D coordinators and recruiters)
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@BeddieKU23 My personal choice would be Will Wade from McNeese St. Everything he got in trouble for at LSU is legal now so that baggage isn’t very significant at this point. That would be my personal choice.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
Don’t forget that the last two guys we hired weren’t exactly big names…
If Self calls it quits, i’m sure there’s a list of tiered candidates in an office somewhere on Naismith Drive.
I vote for Danny! (and a slew of brilliant O and D coordinators and recruiters)
Self was known at the time. Illinois was a national title contender when Self left there to come here.
And absolutely not to Danny. I don’t care about his legacy as a player, the man isn’t a good enough head coach to lead Kansas with a career 45% winning percentage.
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If it’s Beard I’ll care a lot less about Kansas basketball.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Fun basketball to watch paired with our NIL. Learn to switch up defenses and win 3-4 titles
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@BShark ooooooffff yeah that ain’t good. Oats>>> beard by a mile
@nuleafjhawk - what do you mean on that?
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@approxinfinity or Huggins?
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Good Coach. 42, which is another advantage there as well. I’m wondering if Goff would be willing to forgive his baggage at LSU.
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@kuballin10 20 Conference Championships. 9 Conference Tournament Championships. 2 National Championships. Hall of Fame.
It’s difficult to fire a guy with that resume. Every coach, every program goes through slack times. I think we need to be a little more patient.
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I think it’s obvious he’s on his way out…has been said a bunch by guys in the know.
5/7 years 2nd round exit
He’s propping up guys that aren’t that great and has tied himself to these 3 guys he thinks are great. That’s a bad sign with regards for his eye for talent and elevating all his players not just a select few
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@nuleafjhawk said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
@kuballin10 20 Conference Championships. 9 Conference Tournament Championships. 2 National Championships. Hall of Fame.
It’s difficult to fire a guy with that resume. Every coach, every program goes through slack times. I think we need to be a little more patient.
Difficult??? There is no one coaching that has anything close to that resume. Hurley has the 2 titles, but no track record of sustained success. Never mind that he’s an unpleasant human being, at least anywhere near a basketball court…
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There are two complaints with Self.
- Roster construction. Always been a problem. Particularly egregious this year, and since 2021-2022. 1a. Talent evaluation. We dont seem to be picking the right portal guys. Hopefully Self sees a pattern here as he is relatively new at it. I give Self a pass here to be honest, Timberlake to me was the worst transfer that got rotation minutes under Self. Nobody on this roster is that bad, though Storr is close. Hard to compare. Havent looked but would guess Timberlake got twice as many minutes.
- Minute distribution. Less of a problem historically, with a few more contentious examples we have kicked around. Nothing on the level of this year, I think.
#1 is forgivable, as he built around 3 guys with flaws. #2 is less palatable, as it is clearly not giving us our best chance at success and he is doubling down on #1 by forcing it all the way into February, probably March.
It would be much easier to move on from #1 and believe in next year if #2 were to be fixed.
I know @drgnslayr and others have voiced concerns about development and some other strategic things. I am less concerned about those, though they have merit. Self may still thrive with the right personnel and minute distribution.
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@DCHawker said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
@nuleafjhawk said in Interesting Rumor/Note:
@kuballin10 20 Conference Championships. 9 Conference Tournament Championships. 2 National Championships. Hall of Fame.
It’s difficult to fire a guy with that resume. Every coach, every program goes through slack times. I think we need to be a little more patient.
Difficult??? There is no one coaching that has anything close to that resume. Hurley has the 2 titles, but no track record of sustained success. Never mind that he’s an unpleasant human being, at least anywhere near a basketball court…
There is one guy in New York that can compete with Self’s resume. Maybe not the conference titles, but Pitino has done something Self hasn’t done which is take 3 different schools to a Final Four and has 7 FF’s to Self’s 4. Pitino’s is one of the only resume’s among active coaches that’s legitimately comparable to Self’s.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m assuming we aren’t counting Gene Auriemma as there isnt nearly the parity on the womens side?
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@approxinfinity Kansas basketball needs a gm, but Bill would never give up full control.
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I’d take Pitino in a heartbeat, but I think he is also on the cusp of retirement. Easily one of the most underrated coaches of his time. I feel like he is seldom talked about. I 100% like the Will Wade idea, him getting in trouble at LSU was for paying players obviously something Bill has already been busted for here. Not to mention it’s perfectly legal now
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Pitino is a decade Bill’s senior. He’s not leaving the Johnnies
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I wouldn’t take Pitino at this point because of his age, and his legacy does have blemishes on it because of the vacated national title and his failures in the NBA. However, what he’s doing with St. John’s right now is very impressive and shows he is still among the elite coaches in the game today.
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That St. John’s team would blow us out
What’s Wade’s philosophy on both ends? I don’t know much about him
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Nate Oats
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That’s not fair. Pitino is an ageless vampire.
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I can understand why Pitino rubs people the wrong way but college basketball is definitely more entertaining with him in it.
Self is at a min staying through next year, so realistically we are talking about Pitino at 74 being hired. Boeheim made it to 78 which I could see Rick passing but probably best case getting 5-6 years out of him. Could honestly only see KU considering him as a fallback option.
Oats and Wade are both options I would be OK with, but I’m not pushing Self out the door for them.
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@MR11 I am as I think next year we have the talent but it’s the same crap offensive system which guys never pick up quickly at least to bills expectations
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@kuballin10 I still think with the make up of next years roster you are gonna see change
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@SlimShaddy54 you meant next year’s or next years’? i can’t wait that long, man…
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If we’re seriously going to consider Pitino, why not just go all in on coaches we love to hate and grab Coach K out of retirement. We can rebrand him as Coach KU
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@HoraceZontal oh my god. Im glad I read this AFTER i slept so i have a full 16 hours to try to forget it.
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@SlimShaddy54 I hope so but Bill is stubborn. He’s gonna take DP and have him feeding the 4th best offensive player in the post to start and finish games
We won’t get out and run unless behind by double digits
It will be more walk it up and “run the offense” but be careful because even if you take an open shot if it is one Bill deems was a “bad shot” you’ll end up on the bench at the next horn
