Next Year's Team Thread
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@RockkChalkk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
So with all of this NIL money playing a factor, could we potentially see some players not take the “scholarship money” and open up that 13 cap a little bit to where someone like Cuffe could stay and develop if he really wants to and not get booted out. We’ve had it in the past where someone that is well off can pay their own way and allows someone else to take the scholarship. Just an outside the box thought as to how everyone that wants to be back can still come back.
Pretty sure NCAA rules don’t allow this but I ask resident expert @FarmerJayhawk to weigh in.
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@BShark Are walk-ons prohibited from NIL earnings? I feel like Teahan was cashing in with his shirts and stuff. Why wouldn’t a high level player be allowed to walk on if they chose to knowing their NIL potential could outweigh a scholarship? Why does Tschibwe (sp??) need a scholarship at Kentucky? He can pay for his own education if he decided he’d rather participate as a walk on. It does seem murky but I’d be surprised if the NCAA had enough forethought to actually have a rule on this. Seems like the regulation side of this NIL/Transfer Portal mayhem is sorely lacking. But hey, the players are benefitting for the most part right now so I’m all good with that.
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Haven’t we had situations in the past where students with means gave up their scholarship making room for someone without the financial backing to attend college?
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@benshawks08 it seems something like that happened in or around the time of the older Teahan brother. My memory is not horrible trustworthy however.
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@Kubie Yeah, my memory of it is vague at best but I think it either happened or was discussed A LOT as a possibility.
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We definitely had someone go from Scholarship player to “Walk-On” before. Keith Langford helped out his cousin Justin Wesley by paying his tuition. Wesley went from scholarship player to walk-on and it freed up a scholarship we needed. It was only allowable by NCAA at that time because it was family.
But now, if a kid really wants to stay at KU if he thinks it is best for him for development/exposure/whatever, and coaches are agreeable to allow him to be a walk-on, why couldn’t he do a bunch of jersey signings, commercials, whatever needed to earn money to pay his tuition out of pocket? I don’t see how this is against any NCAA violation but i’m not an expert on that stuff.
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The rule is once you’re a recruited athlete, you can’t walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
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@FarmerJayhawk Is that by school or like ever? For example, could a student leave one program with a scholarship to be a walk on at another?
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@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk Is that by school or like ever? For example, could a student leave one program with a scholarship to be a walk on at another?
By school. So hypothetically Baylor could walk on at KU since we never officially recruited him.
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It’s still odd we haven’t heard anything from our guys yet. I suppose we could still just stand pat and bring in Hunter or Moseley. Though I’d love them both. Think they’d fill very different yet complementary roles
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Big Loss for Michigan as Frankie Collins transferring. Former top 50 PG in the 2021 cycle. KU not one of the schools to reach out
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So the NBA draft withdrawal date is June 1. Are there any more portal deadlines before we can complete the roster?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
The rule is once you’re a recruited athlete, you can’t walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
I have a decent source that said we actually tried to get Chukwu to do this before he ended up at Syracuse… So definitely possible. And I expect someone to do it eventually in this new world.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
The rule is once you’re a recruited athlete, you can’t walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
I have a decent source that said we actually tried to get Chukwu to do this before he ended up at Syracuse… So definitely possible. And I expect someone to do it eventually in this new world.
That sounds really familiar. What a saga
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It’s messy because the scholarship does take care of a lot but it could be done in a crazy situation where you want to have more than 13 guys. Personally I don’t see it being a common thing.
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@BShark And when does Self ever really need more than 13? He said he asked a BUNCH of guys to red shirt last season because he knew outside of the top 8-9 minutes would be few and far between and those guys would be scout team players anyway. Only Cam and Cuffe took him up on it. He did ALSO say he’d never ask someone to redshirt unless he thought they could help the program down the line because that would just be a waste of everybody’s time. And why keep a guy around that isn’t good enough to help.
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@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark And when does Self ever really need more than 13? He said he asked a BUNCH of guys to red shirt last season because he knew outside of the top 8-9 minutes would be few and far between and those guys would be scout team players anyway. Only Cam and Cuffe took him up on it. He did ALSO say he’d never ask someone to redshirt unless he thought they could help the program down the line because that would just be a waste of everybody’s time. And why keep a guy around that isn’t good enough to help.
Yeah. We really played 7 guys last year, with other guys getting in when games were decided, or there were injuries etc.
So you really only need around 9-10.
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@BShark I think there is a benefit to having 11 or 12 legit D1 players on a team even if only 7 or 8 get legit minutes. It allows the scout team to really challenge the starters. Self has shown and said he really prefers to keep rotations pretty tight. If a bench player can’t bring something extra that a starter doesn’t already provide then why play them? It doesn’t ever seem like rest, overall minutes, long term wear and tear, etc. really factor into his in game substitution strategies. A player has to be visibly incapable of playing 40 for Self to consider dropping a starter under 30 MPGs (Dave this year on the foot, early Doke with poor conditioning, etc.) And we all know there are some non-negotiables as far as getting on the court on a Self coached team.
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@BShark any truth to rumors of Hunter and McCullar package deal? Both have zags and I’m assuming McCullar goes there.
Really wanted Hunter and Mosley.
Curious who we have our eye on who’s entered the draft but will end up returning to school and transferring.
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I’ve heard McCullar really wants KU IF he decides to come back to college. There’s no rush on either end. As of now we don’t have a roster spot for him (Hunter and Mosley are ahead on KU’s board) and I think everyone involved is happy to wait out the draft process
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@FarmerJayhawk I’ve got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I’ve got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
Of all the names mentioned so far, Mosley seems like the best fit for our needs (imo). I can’t say i love the look of his jumper from 3, but if it goes in, OK!
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I’ve got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
Of all the names mentioned so far, Mosley seems like the best fit for our needs (imo). I can’t say i love the look of his jumper from 3, but if it goes in, OK!
Over 40%, as the main guy on a lot of bad step back looks. In our system as a spot up guy…SHEESH.
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I’ve got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
Of all the names mentioned so far, Mosley seems like the best fit for our needs (imo). I can’t say i love the look of his jumper from 3, but if it goes in, OK!
Over 40%, as the main guy on a lot of bad step back looks. In our system as a spot up guy…SHEESH.
I think we are in really tight with Mosley - looking really good
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I’ve got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
As of now we only have one spot, so might just be Mosley. But still over a month to sort out.
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Did any of our guys transfer out before the deadline? Wasn’t it last night?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk I’ve got good news about Mosley. Wonder if we have room for Mosley and McCullar or we are dead set on a small guard? Think we whiff on Hunter to the Ville.
As of now we only have one spot, so might just be Mosley. But still over a month to sort out.
Yeah I feel like if we need the spot, maybe Cam just quietly retires or something.
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https://twitter.com/globalkidmedia/status/1513267856296796167
When everything you’ve heard about a player vibes with what happens here…
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Still pretty stacked if we only get Mosley. Just a little inexperienced. Will definitely need Wilson to take a big leap…
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@BShark not very polite, asking the guy questions about India like he knows everything about India. Ignorance, innocence, bias, curiosity, whats the difference?
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@approxinfinity I still think Cuffe is a candidate to leave if we need room.
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@approxinfinity he doesn’t seem to care and maybe it’s cause they are just young and very inexperienced. Wish we could’ve heard a lil more of the set up. Seemed kinda weird.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@approxinfinity he doesn’t seem to care and maybe as young and innocent as they are. Wish we could’ve heard a lil more of the set up. Seemed kinda weird.
Won’t post details publicly but there are a lot of reasons why everyone thought Cuffe would leave.
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Been watching a lot of Ernest Udeh and if this kid gets the system down he should get real minutes. Getting the system down is no small task but his body is P5 ready. Again not any real skill to speak of but like Udoka you surround him with 4 guards/wings and let him rebound/dunk/block. Seals/screens very well, and has really good/strong hands.
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Really good rebounder as well. I love what he could be here in a few years.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Really good rebounder as well. I love what he could be here in a few years.
Zuby is an insane rebounder. Zach showed great promise there as well. The glass will certainly be secured.
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Agree Zach showed some grit and nasty down low that I loved to see.
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@BShark hunter to the ville that sucks. He’s the guy I want most.
Harris Transfer/mj/Bobby??? Mosley (sounds like) or Dick Wilson Zach/Udeh/transfer
Hunter in the 2 spot playing 2 small guards would he filthy. He can fill it up in our offense. Not sure Bobby can and MJ is an unknown. Maybe some guy in the draft spring Bill gets late like Remy.
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Okay, Jeff. Sure. I find this line-up projection very hard to believe.
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@BShark it’s essentially what Baylor does with their bigs but Bill adds the wrinkle of teaching them how to post for easy buckets
Even on Landon’s podcast he was the 4-5th option yet Bill said when they need a bucket they throw it down low. Was really hoping there would be follow up on why? Why use your worst offensive player on the floor just because of proximity to the hoop?
I get someone will say closer obviously higher percentage but I’d rather Frank, josh anyone drive over a Landon jump hook
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@BShark Well, the phrase “way too early” is kind of a warning…
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I’m curious as to what Remy’s plans are now. Is he entering the NBA draft? Overseas?
TIA.
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If I were to guess he’ll go through the draft process and play summer league. Good chance he won’t make a roster. I think he really fits the euroball style of play, so I imagine that’s where he ends up.
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People are really sleeping on Zach lol
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
People are really sleeping on Zach lol
Yes they are , I think Zach has a really good chance to be a very good player - - energy player he has shown some ability to hit the outside shot occasionally ya somebody forgot to jump on the Zach Boat
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Read off CBS Sports and I know doesn’t really mean much at this point , but this is one of quite a few doing now and it was CBS way to Early rankings for the upcoming year. - It had us at # 8 , but also said the complexion of KU would totally change if EITHER Jalen or Christan returned , so I guess meaning we would go up with them returning - also said the look of Ku was goling to be toatlly different this coming year but that KU would still have the Talent that is totally off the charts - I’m ready - -throw it up boys lol
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So if I understand this right , it’s to late now isn’t it from anymore kids to enter the portal now cause the deadline has passed and the 48 hours has also passed. Meaning that Joe - - -Sam And Cam would all have to sit out a year if they were to transfer now -right ? - If that’s the case I wouldn’t look for them to transfer with the NIL deals -kinda a screwy mess
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@jayballer67 Yeah. I honestly think these kids are smart for staying. It’s been made very clear self values experience. Any experience is good but experience in his system is extra valuable. And a lot of these fringe starters/likely bench players don’t have to be the next ochai to get minutes. They need to be the next Mitch. The next Harris. Self doesn’t decide who plays based on talent. It drives many fans crazy and drove some folks off the message board for good but he values hard work, defense, and reliability. He plays the guys he trusts. They all just watched Dejuan Harris not even really be challenged for his starting spot by the best transfer in the portal. Pre season player of the year sat the bench behind a dude with a mediocre jumper and a can do attitude. So who is self going to feel he can rely on more next year? Isiah Mosley or joe yesefu? A bunch of freshmen or the guys who pushed a team all the way to the championship? We can (and will) predict lineups all summer long but when late night hits, self will be looking for one thing as the season gets started. Who can he TRUST? Who knows the plays, schemes, etc. Who can execute? Who will give that extra effort? Who will rise to the occasion and take a big shot? And yeah, any of these guys could see there way into a role as the next Mitch light foot, landen Lucas, Brady Morningstar, jamari traylor, Christian moody, etc.
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@benshawks08 or they enjoyed the ride?
