IARP update
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@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.
Well there is always the threat to start taxing them if they don’t play ball. Plus the government can levy fines.
But I’m not sure how I feel about the government sticking their nose into it all
Yeah, taking it to an extreme maybe, but imagine your local, state or US government holding hearings on the playing status of a college player — for whatever reason.
One thing leads to another.
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The parts of this legislation that I’m interested in is basically putting a shorter statute of limitations on the NCAA to investigate cases and a shorter time frame to invest cases once an NOA is delivered to a school.
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Federal jurisdiction can be easily grounded in the Commerce Clause providing congressional authority over interstate commerce. Love to see the NCAA try to argue it is not a business!
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
I still don’t understand how the government can regulate the NCAA, or why the NCAA should listen.
Well there is always the threat to start taxing them if they don’t play ball. Plus the government can levy fines.
But I’m not sure how I feel about the government sticking their nose into it all
Yeah, taking it to an extreme maybe, but imagine your local, state or US government holding hearings on the playing status of a college player — for whatever reason.
One thing leads to another.
Government involvement is not without precedent. Phog Allen was forced to retire by KS legislature. Not exactly the same thing we’re talking about with the NCAA and fed, but in the same solar system.
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When you put Blackburn and Booker together to sponsor a bill… you best be paying attention!
Love this:
“Louisville, Arizona and LSU have all dismissed the head coaches of the programs at the times of the alleged violations, although on markedly different timelines. Louisville fired Rick Pitino immediately; Arizona parted ways with Sean Miller in spring 2021; and LSU just terminated Will Wade earlier this month. Kansas, on the other hand, has given Bill Self a “lifetime contract.””
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
When you put Blackburn and Booker together to sponsor a bill… you best be paying attention!
Love this:
“Louisville, Arizona and LSU have all dismissed the head coaches of the programs at the times of the alleged violations, although on markedly different timelines. Louisville fired Rick Pitino immediately; Arizona parted ways with Sean Miller in spring 2021; and LSU just terminated Will Wade earlier this month. Kansas, on the other hand, has given Bill Self a “lifetime contract.””
never had thought about that - -You suppose that KU feels so confident that nothing is going to come out of this whole dam thing , and they know a lot more then is being made public through the he said she said gossip- they feeling good enough that they wanted to offer Bill the life time contract just to kind of kick sand in the NCAA face - show em up lol.-- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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When a Democrat and a Republican can agree on something it really must be something worth agreeing about!
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I have no friggin’ idea!
I am certain that we didn’t jump into that blindly… otherwise…
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NCAA president decries pace of basketball investigations, including KU probe https://m.kusports.com/news/2022/apr/01/ncaa-president-decries-pace-basketball-investigati/
There just is no other way to see Emmert being anything more than a turd sandwich. Unreal that this process, which has ZERO legal teeth, thinks it will produce findings with more depth than the federal authorities did. Yet they now have the authority to relieve themselves of accountability by having the process void of an appeal process. It’s anti-American. Who wrote this concept up… Putin?
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@drgnslayr Agreed! But who would ever consent to it?
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KU pulling Self and Townsend off the road recruiting. Will be 5 years since the news broke in September, which is crazy to think about. Hopefully this is the start of something the IARP/NCAA/KU agreed upon. Self and Townsend banned from recruiting for X years and then maybe a postseason ban or something for the coaches.
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I hate this move
Unless it’s truly a penalty they are taking in advance I see zero reason to play this game
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@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
I hate this move
Unless it’s truly a penalty they are taking in advance I see zero reason to play this game
I would tend to agree with this. I am surprised we are even giving an inch at this point.
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Having this happen sure doesn’t help our recruiting , when you can’t have your Heda Coach being able to get out and recruit, mean alot to these kids. The article says KU can’t comment cause could led to further violation is they were to discuss on going investigation . Talks about how this is the 1st cooperative effort by KU. It sends a signal among Coaching circles , with Self being absent that just increased speculation , they still talking significant suspension & post season ban.
I still think that YES Bill will be suspended , how long -who knows , I also think Townsend will be let go. Just ready to gt this behind us been drug out long enough. I think we all know that there has been violations committed - -how strong ? - -don’t know just to much fire for there to be Nothing, we are not squeaky clean in this.
If they try to hit Coach with a show cause then I think things will hit the fan and be the biggest mistake for this screwy NCAA
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@Kcmatt7 I hate it too. Maybe they have some confidence in reports from the other 2 coaches. I don’t want a post season ban or Self banned!
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Someone get a shovel and start digging in Coach Ks backyard.
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Future Kansas head coach Jeremy Case will handle recruiting just fine.
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Also, this is a good move.
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Not worried about this.
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Take a vacation to not recruit a historically bad class? Idk the wisdom of it since it’ll depend on whether we get any credit for it from the IARP, but right now I’m inclined to say it’s a big old nothingburger. KU is very tight lipped about it.
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Days like today I miss HEM coming here and saying why this is THE sign we’re about to get nailed to the wall and Self should’ve been gone years ago. Good times.
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@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:
@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
I would tend to agree with this. I am surprised we are even giving an inch at this point.
I guess we’ll see, at some point, maybe? Historically programs that have self-imposed penalties don’t get brownie points with the NCAA
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The report also made it sound as if Self & T were held out during Spring recruiting period as well.
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Could it be that this is part of a yet-unannounced IARP settlement? KU is getting this out of the way while still having a great incoming class that will cover 2023-24 well with only transfers? Just a thought….
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@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 said in IARP update:
@BeddieKU23 said in IARP update:
I would tend to agree with this. I am surprised we are even giving an inch at this point.
I guess we’ll see, at some point, maybe? Historically programs that have self-imposed penalties don’t get brownie points with the NCAA
My gut reaction is this is part of a settlement. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if the penalties are very minor. We pushed back so hard, I’m thinking the NCAA just wants to be done with it. I’ll put the wishful thinking cap on, and hope for the best.
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It sounds like KU has their NIL program running pretty strongly now which is huge positive if Self and KT aren’t out traveling to recruit.
This also doesn’t look like it’ll be a very big class for KU as far as numbers go. Cam Martin and Jalen Wilson are the only two I’d prepare to lose for sure and then prepare for the potential of McCullar, Dick, and Rice although I don’t think all 3 leave. As weak as the 2023 class is overall, Self’s probably going to lean much more heavily on the transfer market than HS kids to replace those who leave after this season.
Overall, I don’t think this move will have a significant impact on KU’s recruiting for 2023 because I think it’ll a more transfer heavy class than HS heavy class due to the overall weakness of this class.
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Honestly, speculation is just useless during this invisible IARP “process”.
It completely sucks. An embarrassment for the NCAA and years of torment for all the schools still waiting for a ruling.
I truly can’t believe they haven’t aborted this entire thing, or at the very least realized they need to hire more people to handle the workload. How hard can that be???
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At this point it’s like prosecuting a dude for having a little weed on him in downtown Denver circa 2007.
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But if I did react to the Self/Townsend recruiting news…
I’d say it doesn’t appear to be a good sign they’ve been benched.
KU has been fighting this every step of the way (as far as we know). Self-imposing a penalty (no pun intended) can be read no other way than admitting guilt of some sort.
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I made some brownies, the illustration goes, which were made with the traditional ingredients but a bird flew through the house and pooped in the mix and so we just baked it right into the brownies. Who’d like some brownies? I mean it’s just a little bit of poop, probably won’t even taste it.
If Bill Self pooped on the recruiting trail even a little bit (sorry this is getting weird) then it’s hard for me to stomach. However, someone’s gonna have to show evidence that he’s guilty indeed, and after 5 years the brownies have gotten stale and I don’t want to eat them anyway. The tainted brownies should have been served up last decade if that’s what was in the oven. Now, beyond ridiculous, particularly when you look at when the alleged infractions took place.
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We haven’t even had the IARP hearing yet, acc to the article.
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Quote from Self recently…
Self: “Let’s just call it like it is. If you go to a school and you’re not driving a brand-new car within the first month that you’re there, then someone’s not doing their job. … All of the kids can have agents now. Everybody can have an agent. … It’s out of control. It hasn’t been out of control (at Kansas). We’re actually quite a bit behind, I think. Hopefully, we’ll get caught up.”
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@BeddieKU23 That doesn’t make Self look very good.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@BeddieKU23 That doesn’t make Self look very good.
Would you care to explain how?
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@BeddieKU23 I take that quote as Self deflecting a bit to not throw KU under the NCAA and IARP bus anymore than he has to and because Self also tends to be pretty self depreciating at times and that reads like one of those times. Remember that part of why KU is under investigation is because of a player that received a brand new car either before he arrived on campus or shortly after arriving prior to NIL making stuff like that okay. KU hiring Altius Sports to oversee the NIL program means there’s going to be plenty of NIL money for athletes at KU.
For more evidence that KU’s NIL program is in a good place, look at two recruits in the 2023 class that have interest in KU, Mikey Williams and Bronny James. Those two have massive social media followings and will likely be going wherever they can make the most money, whether that’s professional or NIL money. Both names have been connected to KU as a possible destination which says KU can offer each of them a very strong NIL deal to come to KU.
Also, look at someone like Cam Martin. Why did he choose to not transfer out after the season and go somewhere he could star and get all the playing time he wants? NIL money is probably the answer to that question.
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From all I’ve seen and heard KU players did really well with NIL this year especially with the Championship post tour run. I see KU making innovative moves to stay competitive in the shark infested waters. It was though interesting to hear it from Self that he doesn’t think its where it needs to be to compete in this climate.
I think our recent title is why Mikey & Bronny are interested. Looks good for their brand. Doesn’t hurt KU at all either if they show love.
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@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
It has changed to be that, yes. Both Grady Dick and Jalen Wilson both have agents. They probably aren’t the only KU players who do.
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@wissox said in IARP update:
@Kcmatt7 Unless I read it wrong I read Self saying we’re behind because our kids don’t have agents and brand new cars which sounds like cheating. Has the landscape of college athletics changed so much that athletes are allowed to have agents and brand new cars? The way I read it is Self saying we’ve got to catch up in cheating since everyone is.
Yes, it has changed that much. I believe one of the big reasons the Big 12 ended up hiring Yormark as commissioner is his familiarity with NIL as his previous job was with Jay-Z’s sports agency which has NCAA certified agents. In regards to players having agents and getting new cars, as long as that player has an NIL deal with a dealership, getting a car is part of that deal. Quin Ewers who just transferred to Texas is now driving a brand new Aston Martin thanks to the NIL deals he signed.
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Self is simply trying to portray KU as “behind” in NIL stuff in order to imply we weren’t already giving kids extra benefits.
For a more concise expression of this sentiment, review the police captain’s surprise that gambling was going on in Rick’s joint in Casablanca.
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I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
Boosters can give to current players for NIL. The way they’re getting around is saying hey these are the types of opportunities we offer players like you wink wink
Texas Tech is a good example of how this works in practice. Donors have pledged to provide all football players a $20k annual stipend. They’ll absolutely use that on the recruiting trail and say hey kid, come here and it’s $20k in your pocket as long as you’re at Tech. So they aren’t providing inducements per se, but that’s a big part of their recruiting pitch.
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Can’t we start a “KUBuckets Player Assist Program” and essentially raise funds and dish them out to players for use of their likeness in our blog?
Seems like we can just add a donation button to this site and start a fund. (hint)
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@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
Can’t we start a “KUBuckets Player Assist Program” and essentially raise funds and dish them out to players for use of their likeness in our blog?
Seems like we can just add a donation button to this site and start a fund. (hint)
Dang, Dragon… For a second there i thought you were going to help us poor KU buckets participants!
$$$
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@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@FarmerJayhawk said in IARP update:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
@drgnslayr said in IARP update:
I think the key moving forward is to realize there are still rules governing players and universities. The rules have changed… but we have to abide by those rules.
Makes me wonder… since college basketball is so competitive… what are the new areas to cheat in and give your school an advantage? There has to be that line again.
Anyone like to comment on that?
It’s still all about “boosters”. That’s the gray area. How you define booster in the days of NIL is baffling to me.
Boosters still cannot recruit nor funnel money to recruits.
But, they are setting up shell companies to do just that. How do you defend that if you’re the NCAA?
KUAD is making a big push to RCJH, a newish c3 that exists solely for NIL. Have some spare cash laying around and want it to go to the welfare of our SA’s, it’s a great choice and the one preferred by KUAD*
*unofficially
I understand that, but I don’t understand that.
If I’m a guy who went to KU, donate money to KU in many ways, then give money to this RCJH fund, aren’t I a “booster”?
Boosters can give to current players for NIL. The way they’re getting around is saying hey these are the types of opportunities we offer players like you wink wink
Texas Tech is a good example of how this works in practice. Donors have pledged to provide all football players a $20k annual stipend. They’ll absolutely use that on the recruiting trail and say hey kid, come here and it’s $20k in your pocket as long as you’re at Tech. So they aren’t providing inducements per se, but that’s a big part of their recruiting pitch.
My brain hurts trying to figure out this NIL stuff, Farmer! But coaches and universities can’t discuss NIL stuff during recruiting, right?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in IARP update:
My brain hurts trying to figure out this NIL stuff
I have decided not to worry about it. My view of basketball is that it is a fun sport to watch, and agonizing about all the other crap going on is not worth it. (That is becoming my view of a lot of things!)
Que sera sera 
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Interesting that ESPN never covered the Self/Townsend stay at home during recruiting story. More interesting is Dick Vitale commenting that all charges should be dropped: https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-basketball-violations-NCAA-should-drop-Jayhawks-recruiting-case-Dick-Vitale-says-190507204/.
So, why is ESPN suddenly on our side? Two years ago, Vitale was smearing us. Hmmm…
