KU Roster for 25-26
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FYI, Swain on 247 says it’s very likely both Storr and Coit enter the transfer portal. Clemence is not expected back either.
Also reporting the buzz is Griffen will also enter but has a source saying that’s not 100% done yet. Tracks with all the talk on him for the past month or so.
KU will likely have 6 spots open.
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If all of this happens, wow, but not unexpected.
KU will need three starters from the portal (PG or SG, SF, PF), at least one more guard, two additional Bigs (backup 4 and 5).
Big off-season’s for Jackson and Passmore awaits as you need both to be ready to be counted on. Elmarko got a glimpse of that at least his freshman year. Jamari is another you need to at least be serviceable as your potential 4th/5th guard.
Tiller’s setback is significant as far as being a rotation guy year 1. He’s missed a year of ball at this point so need to be cautious here. Expectations are low for Calderon from those that have watched him.
I think we need to recognize this could be a potential rebuild year unless you hit on just about everything in the portal to complement Peterson/Flory. Do you go with veterans, or do you go with young talent that can be developed. I don’t know the right answer but perhaps better to lean heavily in one area (young) and perhaps get 1 or 2 veterans to fill the gaps you really need to have proven talent at.
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@BeddieKU23 that’s my worry as well we could end up being solid and better than this season very easily. The trouble is if we look like a team that is a year away it will be next to impossible to keep everyone. Flory and Peterson likely are NBA draft bound after next season.
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Peterson for sure at this stage. Flory I’m not sure about next year, TBD for sure. I’d like to think we have a punters shot at getting a 3rd year from him. He isn’t magically going to become a polished scorer or show the strength to handle the post full-time so I see that as more of a 2 year plan. Wishful thinking on that end some though.
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@BeddieKU23 The thing with leaning on the young players is you will have some people that is on here and other areas start saying if we were to do that-- -Well Self needs to Go he missed the portal again , he doesn’t know how to recruit anymore, the game has passed him by, why are we recruiting these young players, we MUST WIN NOW and that would all be BEFORE the opening tip of the Season.
For me I agfree it’s gonna to be really hard to figure which way to go . If it turns out we need massive replacements I think we might just stay put on HS kids now, MAYBE one more if you can find a solid player that hasn’t committed don’t think your going to find any stud that probably hasn’t committed already, but a good solid 30-50 range player to go with Peterson Calderon and tiller…
I think if he qualifies which I hadn’t realized he was having trouble with that , but if he does Calderon I think just might surprise some people and be a little better then we think
I dunno cause kind of feel/think I consider McDowell / 7 even Passmore young to go with Peterson and Tiller, because yes they have been in the program but when they hit the floor it still is going to be a pretty new experience because they both have seen vey little court time but have at least been in the System I thin Kease is going to have to b ready to play more minutes, with obviously El Marko. It’s going to be a vey interesting next year, Got to have some experience but where is that coming from ? - - -Flory ? who else you got with quality minutes from this year ?
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@kjayhawks Well there is no doubt Peterson will be gone, already projected quite possibly the # one pick in the draft - -If Flory has a solid year, pretty decent chance he goes too
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It’s getting torn down to the studs (plus Jamari)
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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:
It’s getting torn down to the studs (plus Jamari)
Wasn’t Jamari supposed to be a great shooter? We gonna see that next year?
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@FarmerJayhawk flory, and ?
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@FarmerJayhawk Hopefully this applies to a majority of the staff and Bill revamping his philosophy as well……
Hard look in the mirror is required
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Shot 28% as a freshman. Hope he’s improved there
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:
@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:
It’s getting torn down to the studs (plus Jamari)
Wasn’t Jamari supposed to be a great shooter? We gonna see that next year?
He’s got some potential there. But right now he’s a poor mans Travis Releford
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@Crimsonorblue22 Flory, Elmarko, Darryn, Kease
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@FarmerJayhawk thx, the only ones staying?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think so, yeah
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@FarmerJayhawk counting tiller? Their choice or coaches?
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@FarmerJayhawk WOW , if that’s the case you wasn’t kidding when you said bare huh --Mercy , I would of though with Jamari red shirting he would of stuck for another year. - -Lot’s of work to do for sure if that’s the case TOTALLY new roster
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@SlimShaddy54 i think he said in addition to Jamari
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I’ll gain even more respect for Elmarko/Jamari if they stick around another year which seems likely at this stage. I hope to be pleasantly surprised at their developments. Elmarko came in with high hopes/former burger boy. Jamari was a Top 100 kid as well in what was a weak class overall. Big offseasons for this duo
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Player/Coach meetings ongoing. We’ll likely see movement starting this week I’m guessing.
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I wondered if players weren’t asked back or if they left by choice.
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@approxinfinity Oh , you mean these guys in addition to Jamari staying.
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Good Q, not sure how that convo is going with this new era. I’m sure guys like Storr/Griffen have been back channeling about their options before the meeting even occurs so it’s likely players have decisions made going in (I’m sure the coaches know as well). In both players cases, it’s been heavily rumored both have been shopping for a while. Tampering and shopping behind the scenes is the new way.
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I’m sure if Storr and Rylan were wanted back it would be w/a lot less $! I can’t imagine them getting much any where else.
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There’s some stuff out there that the price of P4 starters will be going up with the revenue sharing.
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@BeddieKU23 be crazy to pay them much!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU Roster for 25-26:
@BeddieKU23 be crazy to pay them much!
I would agree on both. Storr was the bigger miss due to his price tag but really both were just not effective here.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see both get paid well (but agree they probably won’t make what they did this year) at new schools if both move on as is expected.
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Griffin seemed like he could be a KU guy. Never seemed confident or comfortable though. Storr…smh
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Anybody know if KJ will be around the program next season while he’s rehabbing? Seems like he’d make a great GA for a year while he’s rehabbing and getting back into basketball shape.
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I’ve seen articles that quote Bill Self as saying they’ll find a place for him during during his rehabilitation year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 @ImmunoHawk love this. Another guy who gives everything around the program seems like a big win for us in addition to a win for KJ.
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The roster is shrinking pretty quickly here.
More news coming soon I assume.
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We’re gonna have posters on here trying out pretty soon.
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No Diggy no doubt
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Good opportunity for the staff to find some hidden gems and not just big names.
Bill replaced all 5 starters 2 or 3 times and won the league the next season… Just throwing that out there.
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@Kcmatt7 love the optimism. This could be Bill Selfs greatest coaching year, it he is up for it.
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Well with all these departures we have only ONE left to go --AJ Storr cause we know he is gone-- that leaves us with McDowell , Jackson & Peterson unless Petersons flips- - What a costly Season
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Something I want to say for next season while deep diving the issues this season on the court woth the offense.
Talent evaluation absolutely killed KU this season. Zeke and Coit were good fits on offense, but their ceilings were low enough to keep them from being true star players. Missing on the scouting of AJ and Rylan absolutely killed KU because they were supposed to be the NBA level talent to lift Dejuan and KJ up because those two were always supposed to be the role/support starters. Below is my breakdown of the offense and the fits of everyone in the offense.
AJ was known to be a terrible fit from day 1, Rylan was a bit more surprising, but less so after a deep dive on his skills and background. We all know Self’s offense is based off a motion offense. There’s rules to a motion offense to make it successful with the most important one being players that know how/when to cut and move without the ball, and a post player that is good passer.
I’ll probably get some disagreements here, but Hunter Dickinson was an ideal 5 for Self’s system. He was a top level passer amd could stretch the floor. When he got the ball at the top of the key, teams had to respect that Hunter could and would take that shot.
I’ll also probably get even more disagreements here by say that Dejuan Harris was a good fit for Self’s offense. He was good at probing defenses and forcing them to react and was generally pretty good at kicking out to the perimeter.
KJ was an okay fit for the offense. He was a good cutter which led to a lot of easy baskets and a solid ball handler, but his lack of outside shooting is what limited him and hurt the offense because teams didn’t have to respect that because he never shot 3’s.
Zeke was a very good fit on offense because he was great a moving without the ball and getting himself open for catch and shoot 3’s, or if he had the ball in his possession, his step back 3 was also a very strong weapon. Diggy Coit was the same boat as Zeke on offense as their games are very similar to each other.
The reason AJ Storr was a terrible fit on offense was because he is an iso player. There’s a reason I comped him to James Harden so frequently and that’s because Storr needed the ball in his hands and everyone else to clear out so he could take his man one on one. That’s not Self’s offense and why AJ struggled so much here. I assume Storr is still planning on leaving, but if he stays for whatever reason, he’s just not a good fit for Self’s offense unless he works to reinvent his game this offseason.
Now to Rylan Griffen and why he didn’t work out despite seemingly being an ideal fit on paper. Nate Oats doesn’t run much real offense. It’s very free flowing and simplistic which has it’s pros and cons, but it’s something that doesn’t require a lot of knowledge on cutting and reading defenses. This is why Griffen struggled so much this year. He wasn’t good at reading defenses or his teammates and would frequently either not move and camp in the corner (I tell my players all the time a statue is the easiest thing to guard), or he’s would make the wrong read and make a bad cut and end up out of position. Griffen didn’t have a high enough basketball IQ to pick up Self’s system which is why he frequently looked lost on the floor.
For next season, we have Darryn Peterson and possibly Elmarko Jackson as starters and that’s it. Peterson is a star and could thrive in any system, but what should make him lethal under Self is his ability woth or without the ball. He understands how to make cuts and create his own shots without the ball in his hands. He’s a perfect fit for a motion offense.
As for everyone else, we saw Elmarko struggle playing off the ball because he wasn’t great at making the right reads and cuts, but as a lead guard, he is a playmaker.
But it sounds like Self is looking to add another starting caliber point guard, but as of now, there’s not much out there. A lead guard who run a motion offense and understands passing angles is a must. This was something Dejuan thrived at so we’ll see if Self ends up running Elmarko out there or finding someone else.
As for the 3 and 4 spots, Josh Dix a as good a fit for a Self offense as there is. Fran McCaffery didn’t run a motion offense, but ran a zone offense that utilized a lot of cutting to get players to their spots so there might be a small learning curve with Dix, but noting he shouldn’t be able to pick up quickly. Players that know how to cut and move without the ball are vital to Self’s offense and we saw what happens to it this season when there’s a wing that doesn’t understand those concepts.
As for a 5, Malik Reneau would be a pretty good fit for Self and KU as he can play in the high or low post and is an above average passer. His lack of 3 point shooting shouldn’t be an issue unless there’s other players out there that can’t shoot 3’s either.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 were you going to say something about Hall? I thought you did, and maybe removed it re: the 4 spot?
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@approxinfinity said in KU Roster for 25-26:
@Texas-Hawk-10 were you going to say something about Hall? I thought you did, and maybe removed it re: the 4 spot?
I forgot about him. After watching some film on him, I think he’d be a solid fit for KU. I do have some concerns about his ability to move without ball, but most scouting reports list that as a positive about him. Based on the tape and scouting reports on him, I get a stronger Perry Ellis vibe from his game. Similar strengths and weaknesses which is concerning as far as his defense because he’s prone to mental lapses on that end. Also sounds like he’s not athletic enough to defend smaller players so it could be something similar to Hunter to where opponents pick on him with screens and picks to force him to rotate.
He’s a proven scorer in the Big 12 so I’d take him if he chose to come here, but he wouldn’t be my top choice of players pending whoever else enters the portal.
Also, KU didn’t make Reneau’s final list, so that scouting report on him doesn’t matter amd I don’t know where Self and KU are looking at this time to replace Flory.
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Theres this kid with a moustache named Blory Fidunga…
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Do we think Self knows flory’s decision by who he’s recruiting?
