Exhibition Game Tonight
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No one will accuse this team of being high-octane on offense.
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Slight box score second half disappointment:
FHS 32, Kansas 30
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I had already tempered expectations big time after the Morris debacle, but I’ve lowered them even more after this pair of warm up games. We’ll see what this team can develop into as they have a lot to work on, perhaps more so than any Self team he’s had. I’m excited to see how much this group can improve but it may be rocky.
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If we are a top 5 team come seasons end, Bill will be a Coach of the Year candidate. Im ready to lower expectations and enjoy the process.
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@kuballin10 Bill wouldn’t play Battle much, would be a Remy situation on steroids. Temple kicked him off the team.
You’d rather have Udeh and Zuby than HD? Then we really wouldn’t score unless we got a scoring four and another scoring guard instead. Not sure who we were even on and could of landed that fits the bill? You can’t just pick and choose players you want in the portal.
Not the #1 team in the country right now but there is time to get better and gel as a team.
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@kjayhawks they must have taken a clue from the football crowd. Did it start out full and then slowly dwindle to about 20% capacity?
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@kuballin10 Hmmm… Did you copy that post from 2022, just change the names a bit? You’re going to conclude all that based on two practice games? OK. If you’d been here in 2012 you’d probably have written the same thing when we nearly won the national championship.
“Bill needs to learn to get athletes who can shoot, not the opposite.” Just about the dumbest line I’ve seen, and I’ve been a bucketeer from the day @approxinfinity got this great page going. But keep up with your sorry analysis of KU hoops. We like it when you’re wrong.
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Last dysfunctional foster like this was 2018. 8 losses that season. Who is taking the over on 8 losses?
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@approxinfinity I’d guess something like 24-7 in the regular season. Maybe I will be happily surprised. Definitely some development that needs to happen.
Guessing that gets us on the 2 seed line.
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Once these guys figure out who the leader on the floor is, they will be fine. Last year was easy with Jalen taking over.
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Going back, first 6 possessions were great. If Self runs real stuff all game, mostly just feeding Hunter we probably put up triple digits. At the very least 90. That doesn’t help us long term though, we obviously know Hays can’t hang with Hunter so it was more interesting to try other stuff.
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Think Kev is that guy as long as healthy
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@BeddieKU23 said in Exhibition Game Tonight:
Think Kev is that guy as long as healthy
Kev hype was legit.
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Looks like KU has 4 players and a bunch of jags. Will be interesting to see what Self can get out of this group.
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Might be although I don’t think he likes that role. I think Juan could be the one but he isn’t sure that the others see him as the alpha. To become the team we hope this group will become, this (a strong leader) has to happen.
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@dylans said in Exhibition Game Tonight:
Looks like KU has 4 players and a bunch of jags. Will be interesting to see what Self can get out of this group.
Timberlake missed evaluation was big. Looks like the 7th man on this team to me. On the bright side maybe Bill stops looking at midmajor guards in the portal.
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@approxinfinity said in Exhibition Game Tonight:
These announcers are absolutely ridiculous with the Dickinson superlatives. This guy isnt Jokic, this guy is not a POY candidate. Its great to dream, I guess.
He is a consensus first team AA. Of course he is a POY candidate.
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@wissox Nah national title team I was on Remy over Juan which proved true but Dave completely smacked me in the face. I liked David the person but as a player felt he held us back. Man he couldn’t have proved me more wrong all while on a bum wheel.
Self builds the team in just grading out what we are seeing and so far beating in state commuter school by 18 and the Illini game is atrocious.
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@approxinfinity I’ll take the under on that bet, this team is more like the 2019 Dedric Lawson 10 loss team than the 2018 FF team that was loaded with NBA Guards that could shoot. That 2019 team is one of the worst in my lifetime which says a lot about Kansas basketball and how good we have been. I’m personally not super worried at this point. We will find out a lot vs UK
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@BShark We could play fast and if he didn’t get Hunter he should have landed top wings in the portal.
I’m starting to see how Michigan was so bad with Hunter. He puts up the stats but when u go watch their ncaa tourney game he is a poor athlete and awful defender.
With Doke we had legit defense his last year because he was such a beast. Hunter can’t get more than 2 inches off the floor and is so slow side to side we can’t stop a fringe top 25 team from scoring at will or having open shots all game
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@BShark This is my proof we ain’t got the horses. Can’t just roll it out and get buckets. Bill can call every set he wants but they don’t always work and guys just have to make plays.
Uconn had athletes and shooters and could flat out play.
We got 1 shooter who’s a possible starter but can’t guard worth crap and then everyone else is lucky if they are 30-32%.
Squad Self built I thought would look good but man we are baddddd
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@COHawk Juan is a great kid but he ain’t that. Ur asking him to be Frank or devontae and he doesn’t have even half of their offensive skill set.
Juan is the hockey assist, pass it around the perimeter guy, and gets the nice assist in transition but he’s the most overhyped player from Bill I’ve ever seen. Traylor and Morningstar have been surpassed.
This team needs a Frank not a Juan.
Bill was enamored with Hunter and I read in here we’d run plays like for Jokic and lol that’s comical now. Tough to do when u got 4 other dudes who can’t shoot and no one guards out to the three point line they just sag in the paint and dare us to go 4/21
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Alpha Kevin is the only way. F the naysayers. Own it Kev.
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Wasn’t attempting to compare him to Frank, and I don’t think a leader needs to be a beast offensively. Interesting how some were ready to clear a space for new title trophy and banner a few months back, but after two exhibition games are bashing almost every. player.
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@kuballin10 said in Exhibition Game Tonight:
@BShark This is my proof we ain’t got the horses. Can’t just roll it out and get buckets. Bill can call every set he wants but they don’t always work and guys just have to make plays.
Uconn had athletes and shooters and could flat out play.
We got 1 shooter who’s a possible starter but can’t guard worth crap and then everyone else is lucky if they are 30-32%.
Squad Self built I thought would look good but man we are baddddd
Okay, you are right, we will miss the tournament. Damn!
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Might have to take a year off the boards. Between the boards, twitter and the discord server it’s a lot.
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Look around the country, who has an insane roster? Tennessee maybe? No one is blowing me away.
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We’ll have to wait to see what others look like with so much turnover. Illinois looked solid but Underwood is known to underperform there.
Duke’s core 4 that came back is going to be difficult to beat.
Purdon’t has the behemoth and their core back.
Nova could look significantly different with Moore healthy and a solid transfer haul.
Marquette returned a lot especially their backcourt duo.
I remain hopeful this bunch will be molded into a team that we are accustomed too but I’m concerned we just don’t have the right roster construction to get there.
So far the brightest spot is seeing Kevin ascend into the role that Agbaji and Jalen held the last couple seasons & has been handed off to him. Kev gets it, gives max effort every single play and his perimeter shot does look improved. The guys will follow his lead and hopefully we can get iron sharpening iron at some point.
When we talk about margin for error on teams, at least so far, this one appears to about as razor thin as it gets
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Is self a hall of fame coach, yes. Will this team be a 1,2,3 seed, yes. Will they be one of the teams that if they get lucky and the bracket falls right make a final four and win, yes. Are they super underwhelming for the hype, yes. Did self not quite get the right pieces this year and make some bad decisions on who he went after, yes. I think it’s okay to be critical of the team and be frustrated by the early indications this is not a top 5 team unless a couple people really go beyond what is most likely to happen. Could elmarko figure it out, and be a lottery pick guy and Adam’s could take the next step, yes. Early on this doesn’t look like a special group but we will see
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Yea, if only we had a Hall of Fame coach who was good at turning boys into men and consistently did more with less every year…
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@jayhawks2010 said in Exhibition Game Tonight:
Is self a hall of fame coach, yes. Will this team be a 1,2,3 seed, yes. Will they be one of the teams that if they get lucky and the bracket falls right make a final four and win, yes. Are they super underwhelming for the hype, yes. Did self not quite get the right pieces this year and make some bad decisions on who he went after, yes. I think it’s okay to be critical of the team and be frustrated by the early indications this is not a top 5 team unless a couple people really go beyond what is most likely to happen. Could elmarko figure it out, and be a lottery pick guy and Adam’s could take the next step, yes. Early on this doesn’t look like a special group but we will see
Definitely fine with being concerned/critical. The roster is kind of weird and I don’t even think Terio would have been some savior there.
Really hard to see Elmarko being a lottery pick after this year but they do draft on potential.
Not saying you are but mostly frustrated with the people that act like this team will miss the tournament. Now that would shock me.
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I didn’t get a chance to see either exhibition game, but here’s what I know about Bill Self in exhibition games. He doesn’t coach those games like he does regular season games. He uses the exhibition games to focus on specific things, to tinker and experiment with different rotations. This is twofold for why he does it. One, he doesn’t want to show what his exact plans for offensive and defensive sets are and two, he may hit upon something he likes that he can keep in his back pocket for the tournament.
As for specific players. It sounds like many were expecting something different from Hunter Dickinson than what he is. He is not the most mobile or athletic guy, that’s why he’s still in college instead of the NBA. I’ve said from the very beginning when he committed that on defense, David McCormack is the comparison player and we will eventually see Self move to the same style of defense the title team ran. He’s also not an elite rebounder, but he is competent in that area and KU will be fine in rebounding.
I’m also not sure why anyone was expecting KU to be an offensive juggernaut this year. This was never going to be a highly skilled offensive team, this always going to be a lower scoring team that wins a lot of games in the 50’s and 60’s with its defense. Just like the last 2 years, this will be a team that has stretches where it struggles to score points, that’s not new and won’t change this season.
I’m also not sure why people think Hunter is going to make this team play at a snail’s pace. McCormack was very similar to Dickinson in terms of athleticism and KU was still top 75 in tempo during the title season. We’re not expecting Dickinson to lead the break, but he is an excellent passer and can start the break. His 3 point ability also makes very dangerous on the break because he can be the trailer and set up at the top of the key for a look there to open up other driving lanes if a defender closes out on him.
I also saw a lot of mention last night of Dickinson being double or triple teamed and players not cutting to the basket. I’m betting that was intentional on Self’s part to not show what he’s been cooking up this season because that and inbounds plays are his biggest strengths as a play designer. Dickinson does have a reputation of being a great passer for a bog man so I would be surprised if Self doesn’t have several cuts for players designed and practiced already when Dickinson is double teamed.
I will acknowledge that not having Morris this season will hurt the offense because that was the guy that could create his own shot when the offense breaks down and I don’t believe we have that right now.
There is not a flawless or invincible team in college basketball this season and KU will probably take some L’s early on, or least not look great, while the returning core builds in game chemistry with the newcomers, especially Dickinson since he’ll be the focal point of the offense this year.
And I do still believe that Dickinson will be in the mix for NPOY by the end of the season.
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@BShark I didn’t act like we’d miss the tourney but whoever brought up the Dedric team isn’t far off. This team is better than that but if you can’t shoot you ain’t going that far because we don’t have the athletes to be some elite defensive team
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Well I’m gong to hold back on things as this subject is already gotten to people taking swipes at others. Some because just because they don’t agree with what they think and that can go both ways. Now you can call me a hater which I will have a good time laughing at - -how childish that is because everyone is entitled to their opinion AND this IS suppose to be an open discussion board
So you can call me a hater, a child , blind whatever it’s ok whatever rocks your boat knock yourself out. - All I will say right now is AT THIS POINT - -these guys ARE NOT the # 1 ranked team in the Nation . they aren’t even top five. - -Top Ten quite possibly - but right now - -pssssst please. - -like was pointed out if it wasn’t for Kevin last night we would of been 2-20 from the three- - - - -2-20 for Christ sakes. A lot of them werren’t even that close, ugly shots - -UGLY
Now like the announcers said last night what your going to see is a lot of teams double even triple up on Hunter down low - -and we seen how that went, they are going to make us prove we can hit the outside jumper, which at this point we can’t - -Again I asked this last night , how many medium range jumpers did we make last night ? - -hell how many did we even attempt ? -Until we prove we have to respect our outside game then good luck with the inside. Oh and if Hunter is or is gonna be the National Player of the year ? ? / That’s a whole different story lol. he is SLOW like they said he came out of a league of plodders, I have said from day one he is just a bad fit, we are at our best when we get out and run transition. - The offense just looks bad
If anyone thinks we are kicking butt by scoring in the 50’s and low 60’s - -let me have some of what your smoking cause that has got to be some good shit. and you wanting to rely on our defense- – lol watch the game again and see how many time Fort Hays beat us on straight line drives to the hole for layups. - -Is the season lost ? - -Hell no, but right now I haven’t seen where we are going to win a lot either
AT THIS POINT as of today, I would say this team is no better then a 2nd or 3rd place team in the Big 12 this Season . There that’s some of my opinion take it - -leave it , I could give a rats ass, but I’m not going to sit here and try to make a beauty queen out of a drag queen either - -It’s my opinions, others voice some things the same way and what we wanna do? - -we wanna fry them for their opinion - -that’s sweet, but if you like fry me cause I’m a slow cook lmao- - not everyone’s opinion has to be the same, different people see things different ways - ROCK CHALK EDIT: -i changed my mind on holding back
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Hear you go , this ought to put you at ease. Pre Matt Tait speaking with Coach Self : - -Is KU ready for a real game ? - -Coach’s response : - -NO , NO , NO , NO
coach said : - I think we ( KU ) is tired right now - - -( WHAT ? ? ) especially from playing the main guys so many minutes against Illinois. - -We are not Athletic enough not to play with great energy
Well that’s certainly reassuring. - here is a news flash - -it ISN’T GONNA get any better. we have very , very thin bench. - -If these guys are tired already then we are in some deep dog doo… - I mentioned earlier that I thought because of a thin bench that by the latter third of the Season we could be in trouble, but they are tired already? - -Holy Crap
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“This team will be lucky to make the final 4.” What a stupid thing to write. KU makes the FF regularly so it’s never a surprise and never lucky. Will we make it? I have zero clue. 4.5 months from now we can make more accurate predictions. Does anyone remember last years FF? It was so full of obscure teams I barely can remember them now. We can make it and will go take our semi rightful spot in the semi’s. We’re KU, we have the best coach in all of college so many of us wrote recently. But because we only beat the gorillas by 18 it really must be time to end the NCAAT streak.
Juan must laugh at all the people that forget he also plays defense superbly AND shot 40% from three last season (I know he still shoots like a junior higher). I just can’t believe the ridiculous stuff being written here. But I’m not as smart as you experts and so I guess we’ll suck.
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@wissox Hate to tell you…the NCAAT streak is over already. People can pretend otherwise but the record is based on official results.
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@mayjay said in Exhibition Game Tonight:
@wissox Hate to tell you…the NCAAT streak is over already. People can pretend otherwise but the record is based on official results.
I don’t want to accept that
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@wissox We always suck - every year - until we don’t. This is a statement that can be scientifically proved. Sit anywhere in Allen Fieldhouse and look up. You’ll see banner after banner after banner that says “We Suck before the season starts”.
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@mayjay Was that one of the consequences? I missed that. You shouldn’t have told me, now I’m sad, but only in a it doesn’t really matter kind of way.
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I’m not sure if any of us have recovered from the 2019-2020 season ending abruptly. That was the last year I was super stoked about a team to dominate the tourney, but who knows how it would have played out. I was probably higher on the 2022 team than some (Big Dave and young Juando fan), and that year was a pleasant surprise with Remy pulling through at the end.
That said, I think this is going to be a good year–Big ol’ Hunter is going to have to learn to play some D and that will be fun to watch. KJ, Kev and Harris will be solid. And, like any interesting year, we’ll get to watch some young talent figure out how to get into the rotation. Furphy is my guy to watch at this point… seems like he has a bit of a dingo in him.
For all the hype about transfers, it’s really just mostly duds getting passed around to other teams. We’re definitely capable of a final 4.
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Furphy ate the baby?
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Finally got to watch the game…. Juan was not aggressive and turned it over 4 times.
Couldn’t throw a simple entry pass to Hunt first 3 minutes and dribbled it off his foot
Frank and Devonta would never
2 are pro’s and one bill thinks is Stockton and geez he’s got poor talent evaluation at times
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Folks. It’s November 3. Chill. We literally haven’t played a game that counts yet. This mini meltdown is the same after the Nova loss in 2019. Oh Bill can’t recruit, Jay Wright has taken over college basketball, should’ve done this that or the other thing because he’s stuck in the 90’s on and on. Have a drink, a joint, or club soda and just chiiiiiiill. Bill will have this crew rolling by league play. They’re still not close to healthy, guys are still learning their roles, and it bears repeating, IT’S NOVEMBER THIRD.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Exhibition Game Tonight:
Folks. It’s November 3. Chill. We literally haven’t played a game that counts yet. This mini meltdown is the same after the Nova loss in 2019. Oh Bill can’t recruit, Jay Wright has taken over college basketball, should’ve done this that or the other thing because he’s stuck in the 90’s on and on. Have a drink, a joint, or club soda and just chiiiiiiill. Bill will have this crew rolling by league play. They’re still not close to healthy, guys are still learning their roles, and it bears repeating, IT’S NOVEMBER THIRD.
Pretty sure I made the Emperor of College Basketball thread after that exact game.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Exhibition Game Tonight:
Folks. It’s November 3. Chill. We literally haven’t played a game that counts yet. This mini meltdown is the same after the Nova loss in 2019. Oh Bill can’t recruit, Jay Wright has taken over college basketball, should’ve done this that or the other thing because he’s stuck in the 90’s on and on. Have a drink, a joint, or club soda and just chiiiiiiill. Bill will have this crew rolling by league play. They’re still not close to healthy, guys are still learning their roles, and it bears repeating, IT’S NOVEMBER THIRD.
I might just take the combination of all you mentioned lol - have a drink , roll a joint , not sure about no dam club soda – might have another drink instead lmao
