Next Year's Team Thread
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark but playing time? So Dave’s spot is the only thing for sure open?
Ochai and CB are leaving. Those spots are open.
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@BShark oh, duh, Och. So you are sure on CB?
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@Crimsonorblue22 pretty sure yeah. Think he will be drafted in the top 20.
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So 2 open?
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Juan/Hunter/MJ/Jalen/Zach
Very possible starting line-up next year. Maybe Gradey slots in ahead of MJ.
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4 guys coming in.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
4 guys coming in.
Think we get 2 incoming transfers as well.
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@BShark not enough schollies.
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@BShark magic? Does cams count? Covid?
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CB is one, so you only need one more.
with Cuffe returning I think only makes sense if another guard is leaving, Joe was rumored on the fence too so maybe that is the way this one split.Cam does count, but he is not good at basketball at all. There are also…rumors in regards to him at practice. Bill has softened a lot but keeping Cam would be…something!
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@BShark watching all the celebrations, yes never looked that excited.
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Shay might be full of shit on this. HOT SITCH DEVELOPING.
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@BShark Maybe a bit overly optimistic with my projections, but he passes the eye test in my book.
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@madmax said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark Maybe a bit overly optimistic with my projections, but he passes the eye test in my book.
I hope he develops. I think it will be hard to find minutes for him next year but once Jalen is gone…
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark not enough schollies.
How is it not enough scholarships to bring in two transfers? KU is losing Remy, JCL, and Mitch to eligibility, Ocahi and Dave appear set to pursue professional careers, and Braun is most likely gone which puts KU at 6 openings. As of now, KU only has 4 incoming players if everything else holds which means 2 more spots available for transfers.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark not enough schollies.
How is it not enough scholarships to bring in two transfers? KU is losing Remy, JCL, and Mitch to eligibility, Ocahi and Dave appear set to pursue professional careers, and Braun is most likely gone which puts KU at 6 openings. As of now, KU only has 4 incoming players if everything else holds which means 2 more spots available for transfers.
Mitch didn’t count last year. 5 counters out, 4 in.
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Cuffe’s spot will be available if they need it. Not like he’d break news to Shay at a public event
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@FarmerJayhawk JCL?
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Transfer covid years do count?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Transfer covid years do count?
Correct. Relief against the 13 hard cap was if you retained your Covid seniors
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
CUFFE IS STAYING THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY SHOCKING DON’T KNOW WHAT TO THINK
Whoaaa, not that is THE ONE that stuns me. hmm this could prove vey interesting
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If somebody is coming back, and it’s the least likely, there could be 2?
Think there is a very real chance everyone but CB is back. Add Hunter call it good.
that would be kinda crazy wouldn’t it ? - -seeing as we thought we would have like 3 probably hitting the portal - Still stunned with Cuffe.- -I mean it’s cool I like Sam just have to see how it plays out
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
If somebody is coming back, and it’s the least likely, there could be 2?
Think there is a very real chance everyone but CB is back. Add Hunter call it good.
So you still think Jalen comes back ?- I thought if not NBA he would go over sea’s and play somewhere
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
CUFFE IS STAYING THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY SHOCKING DON’T KNOW WHAT TO THINK
interesting. Self must like him, or he’s not getting any transfers to bite?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
CUFFE IS STAYING THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY SHOCKING DON’T KNOW WHAT TO THINK
interesting. Self must like him, or he’s not getting any transfers to bite?
Shay jumped the gun reporting this. No one responsible is reporting it. I should have known better. Also Swain (a responsible reporter) tweeted this while on vacation: https://twitter.com/MSwain247/status/1520878034592616449
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KJ-- was out there on the last defensive play. Self loves the guy. And check out the tree trunk legs.
(LJW photo)
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This is funny!
https://mobile.twitter.com/DJohnsonRadio/status/1520920251348791296
“If KU rolled out a DaJuan-Hunter-McCullar-Adams-Udeh lineup the final score would be 2-0.”
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@Gorilla72 the D alone would score a lot of dunks and layups! D to O
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So with all of this NIL money playing a factor, could we potentially see some players not take the “scholarship money” and open up that 13 cap a little bit to where someone like Cuffe could stay and develop if he really wants to and not get booted out. We’ve had it in the past where someone that is well off can pay their own way and allows someone else to take the scholarship. Just an outside the box thought as to how everyone that wants to be back can still come back.
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@RockkChalkk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
So with all of this NIL money playing a factor, could we potentially see some players not take the “scholarship money” and open up that 13 cap a little bit to where someone like Cuffe could stay and develop if he really wants to and not get booted out. We’ve had it in the past where someone that is well off can pay their own way and allows someone else to take the scholarship. Just an outside the box thought as to how everyone that wants to be back can still come back.
Pretty sure NCAA rules don’t allow this but I ask resident expert @FarmerJayhawk to weigh in.
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@BShark Are walk-ons prohibited from NIL earnings? I feel like Teahan was cashing in with his shirts and stuff. Why wouldn’t a high level player be allowed to walk on if they chose to knowing their NIL potential could outweigh a scholarship? Why does Tschibwe (sp??) need a scholarship at Kentucky? He can pay for his own education if he decided he’d rather participate as a walk on. It does seem murky but I’d be surprised if the NCAA had enough forethought to actually have a rule on this. Seems like the regulation side of this NIL/Transfer Portal mayhem is sorely lacking. But hey, the players are benefitting for the most part right now so I’m all good with that.
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Haven’t we had situations in the past where students with means gave up their scholarship making room for someone without the financial backing to attend college?
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@benshawks08 it seems something like that happened in or around the time of the older Teahan brother. My memory is not horrible trustworthy however.
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@Kubie Yeah, my memory of it is vague at best but I think it either happened or was discussed A LOT as a possibility.
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We definitely had someone go from Scholarship player to “Walk-On” before. Keith Langford helped out his cousin Justin Wesley by paying his tuition. Wesley went from scholarship player to walk-on and it freed up a scholarship we needed. It was only allowable by NCAA at that time because it was family.
But now, if a kid really wants to stay at KU if he thinks it is best for him for development/exposure/whatever, and coaches are agreeable to allow him to be a walk-on, why couldn’t he do a bunch of jersey signings, commercials, whatever needed to earn money to pay his tuition out of pocket? I don’t see how this is against any NCAA violation but i’m not an expert on that stuff.
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The rule is once you’re a recruited athlete, you can’t walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
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@FarmerJayhawk Is that by school or like ever? For example, could a student leave one program with a scholarship to be a walk on at another?
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@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk Is that by school or like ever? For example, could a student leave one program with a scholarship to be a walk on at another?
By school. So hypothetically Baylor could walk on at KU since we never officially recruited him.
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It’s still odd we haven’t heard anything from our guys yet. I suppose we could still just stand pat and bring in Hunter or Moseley. Though I’d love them both. Think they’d fill very different yet complementary roles
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Big Loss for Michigan as Frankie Collins transferring. Former top 50 PG in the 2021 cycle. KU not one of the schools to reach out
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So the NBA draft withdrawal date is June 1. Are there any more portal deadlines before we can complete the roster?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
The rule is once you’re a recruited athlete, you can’t walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
I have a decent source that said we actually tried to get Chukwu to do this before he ended up at Syracuse… So definitely possible. And I expect someone to do it eventually in this new world.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Next Year's Team Thread:
The rule is once you’re a recruited athlete, you can’t walk on. That basically means a written offer or official visit.
I have a decent source that said we actually tried to get Chukwu to do this before he ended up at Syracuse… So definitely possible. And I expect someone to do it eventually in this new world.
That sounds really familiar. What a saga
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It’s messy because the scholarship does take care of a lot but it could be done in a crazy situation where you want to have more than 13 guys. Personally I don’t see it being a common thing.
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@BShark And when does Self ever really need more than 13? He said he asked a BUNCH of guys to red shirt last season because he knew outside of the top 8-9 minutes would be few and far between and those guys would be scout team players anyway. Only Cam and Cuffe took him up on it. He did ALSO say he’d never ask someone to redshirt unless he thought they could help the program down the line because that would just be a waste of everybody’s time. And why keep a guy around that isn’t good enough to help.
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@benshawks08 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark And when does Self ever really need more than 13? He said he asked a BUNCH of guys to red shirt last season because he knew outside of the top 8-9 minutes would be few and far between and those guys would be scout team players anyway. Only Cam and Cuffe took him up on it. He did ALSO say he’d never ask someone to redshirt unless he thought they could help the program down the line because that would just be a waste of everybody’s time. And why keep a guy around that isn’t good enough to help.
Yeah. We really played 7 guys last year, with other guys getting in when games were decided, or there were injuries etc.
So you really only need around 9-10.
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@BShark I think there is a benefit to having 11 or 12 legit D1 players on a team even if only 7 or 8 get legit minutes. It allows the scout team to really challenge the starters. Self has shown and said he really prefers to keep rotations pretty tight. If a bench player can’t bring something extra that a starter doesn’t already provide then why play them? It doesn’t ever seem like rest, overall minutes, long term wear and tear, etc. really factor into his in game substitution strategies. A player has to be visibly incapable of playing 40 for Self to consider dropping a starter under 30 MPGs (Dave this year on the foot, early Doke with poor conditioning, etc.) And we all know there are some non-negotiables as far as getting on the court on a Self coached team.
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@BShark any truth to rumors of Hunter and McCullar package deal? Both have zags and I’m assuming McCullar goes there.
Really wanted Hunter and Mosley.
Curious who we have our eye on who’s entered the draft but will end up returning to school and transferring.
