Worst Regular Season Losses in the Self Era
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lol, I mean, this isnāt a horrible TT team.
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Unironic bump.
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Nothing will compare to 2013 TCU
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lol TCU game is still the worst by far. Shot .29% from the field against a god awful team.
Naadir was 2-15 from the field.
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I think the problem is David and Marcus would be good number 2ās at their positionās but as starters not good for us.
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@hawk4life agree about Dave. Marcus was one of the reasons we stayed in the game yesterday, I thought.
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Marcus is so poor offensively for being the main ball handler. Weāve just been conditioned to think anything above awful is Marcus playing good.
Marcus took 8 shots at the rim yesterday but didnāt draw any contact to shoot a single free throw. He only had 6 points. Four assists for your starting PG who canāt really score is also pretty sad as well.
There is a spot for a Marcus Garrett on a team that can score 4 on 5. This team is not capable of that.
I would still play Harris more. He is the only guy capable of taking his man off the dribble and seeing the open man.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Worst Regular Season Losses in the Self Era:
Marcus is so poor offensively for being the main ball handler. Weāve just been conditioned to think anything above awful is Marcus playing good.
Marcus took 8 shots at the rim yesterday but didnāt draw any contact to shoot a single free throw. He only had 6 points. Four assists for your starting PG who canāt really score is also pretty sad as well.
There is a spot for a Marcus Garrett on a team that can score 4 on 5. This team is not capable of that.
I would still play Harris more. He is the only guy capable of taking his man off the dribble and seeing the open man.
Again your still playing 4 on 5 with Harris out there - - No Advantage at all
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Dont get me wrong I like a lot of Marcusās game but Iām not sure he really does anything to create for others and I think we can all agree not much of a shooter. Kind of a bad combo for a point guard
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@hawk4life said in Worst Regular Season Losses in the Self Era:
Dont get me wrong I like a lot of Marcusās game but Iām not sure he really does anything to create for others and I think we can all agree not much of a shooter. Kind of a bad combo for a point guard
before I say what Iām gonna say not bagging on anyone or being a smart so donāt take this wrong. But concerning your statement talking about not creating for others - I just have to say AGAIN - -he has a 3-1 turnover to assist ration which is leading the tam - -and as we all know an assists is a direct pass from one ot another that leads to scores. - -so I have to say with him being the leader in this - - umm yes he does do things to help/create for others.
Thatās a 3-1 ratio that he is successful on - question is how many other passes he makes to others whee they donāt convert. - -His assist ratio could/would be higher if the other players would finish.
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Marcus isnāt the same player he was last year. The people that were concerned about him being the primary pg were right.
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@jayballer67 Ya I see the stat and he is not all to blame, but when i watch i just donāt see it. Love his defense and he is strong with the ball. I just donāt think he is a great creator or scorer and thatās a problem for us.
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@hawk4life said in Worst Regular Season Losses in the Self Era:
@jayballer67 Ya I see the stat and he is not all to blame, but when i watch i just donāt see it. Love his defense and he is strong with the ball. I just donāt think he is a great creator or scorer and thatās a problem for us.
I donāt know , all I know he can only do so much he does so much in so many ways canāt leave him off the floor. - -He can only be responsible for getting them the ball ā itās up to them to finish
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I agree he is our best option. Weāve had some really good pgās so maybe Iām holding him to unfair expectations, either way this loss wasnāt just on him youāre right about that. Side note how much would Jeremiah Robinson Earl help this team, that recruitment really hurt. Weāll be alright though.
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@hawk4life JRE doesnāt change much with this team specifically. His skill set doesnāt really address the glaring weakness in the paint for KU. Heās a bad outside shooter (32%), a terrible rebounder (sub 14%), and average at best defender on his best night.
The answer for the Marcus Garrett issue is, and I canāt believe Iām about to type this, Garrett needs to shoot more 3ās. Heās making 40% from 3 this year, but only taking 2 per game on average. Thatās how Garrett gets himself easier shots is by taking more 3ās and forcing defenses to respect that shot or let him beat teams from deep and open stuff up for others.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Unfortunately, I donāt think he would be a 40% three point shooter if he took more 3ās. Heās taking wide open set 3ās when they give that to him. But Iād like to see. Couldnāt hurt.
If he can hit 3ās off ball, it makes it way easier to run him with Harris. And I like that a lot.
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Concerned that Garrett may not play tomorrow due to the elbow he took to the headā¦
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@BeddieKU23 Rumblings? Edit: NVM seeing it now UGH.
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Marcus has become EJ, version 2. It isnāt fair to either of these players to expect them to be PGs when they had never been developed as D1 PGs. Itās the most-demanding job on the team, like a quarterback. In fact, think of them in the same light. Take a wide receiver and shift to quarterback. Yesā¦ it is that extreme.
I never liked the idea of putting Marcus at PG and I think it hurts his chances at pro ball laterā¦ just as it did for EJ.
Iām really not liking how some players have to ātake one for the teamā and potentially lower their future careers in basketball. Marcus was in a groove at the twoā¦ and provided some help at other positions. Putting him at point has been a monster burden. Every aspect of his game has diminished.
As painful as the move may beā¦ I would stillā¦ todayā¦ move him to the two and start Harris at point. In the brief time he has played, he has created far more offense with other players than Marcus and even Self admits the ball moves better.
The other problem we haveā¦ is we need a leader. We need someone to step up and get the troops excited to play every game. That was apparent in our loss to Texas. And noticeā¦ when we started to really collapse, there was no one who stepped up and clapped and yelled and brought needed cheerleading energy. That was mentioned on KUSports.com, and rightly so.
I still see very large potential with this teamā¦ but some things have to change to get there.
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Will we even beat ISU and KSU?
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lol
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Idk could KU beat Hays??
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@FarmerJayhawk #H2H
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Time to fire this up again I fear.
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This thread is just free money, Iāll try not to abuse my powers with it.
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Gradey might prevent needing this thread this year!
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Imagine coming back from your self imposed 4 game suspension and the 1st game you Coach in is in the Bahamas - boy that would be rough huh? lol - -Suspended for 4 games come back an spend almost a week in Bahamas lol
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Getting smoked by a mediocre OU team at home. YIKES!
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Ima gonna need ta recharge my defibrillator. Again.
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@approxinfinity lol, āThis is the big one Elizabeth, Iām comingā
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@StLJhawk Ah, another false alarm. Just indigestion.
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All we needed was 5 minutes of keeping our heads up and hustling to blow past them.
For whatever reason our heads were hanging low until the end. Bad body language. It was really bad during that period where we didnāt score field goals.
It didnāt have to send us all into cardiac arrest if they would have just figured out to lift their heads earlier than the final 5 minutes! lol
There are lessons to be learned here and I think we have the perfect professor to teach them!
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@drgnslayr There was a time where I worried that maybe this game could be used as a blueprint for other squads but I think you are right. It was all about KUās energy. As soon as our D applied real pressure, they broke.
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It helped when 2 of their guys shot 3ās with a lot of time on the clock!
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Yeah they didnāt have good shot discipline there late but I recall them being good looks they didnāt make.
Thankfully they couldnāt make 3ās or our matador offense to shoot FTās wouldnāt have worked
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@Crimsonorblue22 and that 4 of their 5 starters got into foul trouble
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@benshawks08 said in Worst Regular Season Losses in the Self Era:
@drgnslayr There was a time where I worried that maybe this game could be used as a blueprint for other squads but I think you are right. It was all about KUās energy. As soon as our D applied real pressure, they broke.
Aggressive defense by the opposition appears to throw KU off its own game. Itās been a common thread in the last 3 games. The guys will see a lot more of it.
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@Gorilla72 My concern was that Huggy would get ahold of this tape and the next meeting with WVU would put someone in the hospital.
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@BeddieKU23 the clock was their friend! To bad, he liked us better!
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When our energy turned up the last 5 minutes it broke their comfort zone that they had the entire game. Then they made mistakes leading to bad shots early in the clock and TOs.
We started to even put a tiny pressure on them in the back court. Makes me think we need to work harder on a full court pressā¦ it puts pressure to get them out of their comfort zone and it gets our guys juiced up!
One of the coolest aspects of basketball is watching the momentum shift!
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@drgnslayr self has teased a full Court press a few times. Wonder if heās saving it like the daunted triangle and 2.
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Not watched this yet. Not sure I want too!!
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@Gorilla72 well played with the reverse jinx
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@Kubie Honestly, other than not hitting a shot for 12 minutes in the second half, it wasnāt that bad. If you bother to watch the entire game, look for any cheap fouls called on OU. I donāt remember any. They benefited from a couple blown out of bounds calls though.
