Poor Silvio
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I got the athletic for 7 days free. We could take turns.
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Admitting the guardian did it.
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Though Gassnola allegedly paid the money to De Sousa’s guardian without the player’s knowledge, he would still face a penalty because of the so-called “Cam Newton rule,” which was passed in 2012 and identifies a member of a player’s family as a de facto agent.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
vacated FF and B12. They will drag us through the mud I’d bet.
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Kcmatt7 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
vacated FF and B12. They will drag us through the mud I’d bet.
I hope not.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I firmly believe that adding another athlete turns this team back into a true title contender. Adding De Sousa would mean we will be able to move to a very solid 7 man rotation and have 5 athletes on the floor the entire game.
Just to refresh everyone’s memories, in games where he played 10 minutes or more, he averaged 8 points and 7 rebounds. He shot .681 and 2.8 offensive rebounds a game. Many of his advanced stats would be near the top of this team. His rebound percentage was 24% (Dedric who is a good rebounder is at 18%). De Sousa, if he improved any since last season, would likely be a major upgrade to Mitch, KJ and Big Dave.
Dotson, Vick, Grimes, Garrett, Agbaji, Dedric, Silvio. KJ as the 8th man.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich I would bet that is why we went through such lengths. But at this point, knowing he’d be retroactively ineligible for those games my guess is that is what happens and we are at least trying to get him eligible now.
But that’s just my guess.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Let’s look at KU now … why are we just now prepared to formally acknowledge this? How about doing that at the same press conference where Self proclaimed himself free of any knowledge of third party inducements provided to our players? Conflicting narratives? I don’t know.
Let’s fire him.
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Basically KU is admitting to him being ineligible during last years run and that he has sat enough to not warrant anymore of a penalty. So the question becomes does the NCAA clear him but take away last years run by forfeiting the games SDS played in? Basically all but 3 wins after he was cleared (January 13 was his first game) would be vacated along with the record 14 straight B12 titles and record 29 straight NCAA tournament appearances. I’d like to see Head Coach Bill Self fired if that happens, we have had some minor infractions in the past but never had wins vacated and it will put one Helluva black eye on this program. To make matters worse if plays out that way Zion is getting paid to play at Duke and UNC players can take fake class. NCAA=North Carolina Amnesty Association. I’m gonna be honest, this is scary to me and it could cripple Kansas Athletics beyond recovery. With conference realignment seeming inevitable yet again once the current media contract is up and if the football team is still struggling while the basketball team is a deep rebuild after several vacated accomplishments and a new coach. Hello mid major and not playing on national tv, which means not getting good recruits across the board in FB and BB.
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@Kcmatt7 Of course, an inflammatory comment made to distract from the point being made.
@kjayhawks It should scare you. I think the NCAA might have a bit bigger burr in its saddle if it thinks Self publically lied. We could be the example.
Which goes back to my “burn it down” strategy. Tell the NCAA if they want to hammer, so be it … but we know where the bodies are buried. Maybe hit us with the loss of a scholarship for a couple seasons, and be done with it.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I’m wondering why Kansas is submitting a request for reinstatement now. Why not a few months ago?
Also, any guesses what Kansas’ punishment will be?
“Over the last three months, Kansas has been working directly with members of the NCAA’s enforcement division to investigate the matter and agree upon a set of facts"
This could be why.
If they’ve come to an agreement on a set of facts, is it wrong to think a decision should come quickly after Kansas submits a request for reinstatement?
Depends on what you call quickly. I doubt this week. Slight chance before the end of next… With the NCAA, who knows LOL.
If the NCAA agrees on what KU submits then if his time served is sufficient it should be rather straightforward I would think…
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@HighEliteMajor We know we paid players through a 3rd party. We know Bill Self lied about it. Either follow through and demand he be fired or get over it and realize that he is our coach and not going anywhere.
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@Kcmatt7 I’m not sure we know that Self lied at this point even. It is questionable how much he knew but I still stand with letting him go if we have to give away wins and titles.
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This is about Silvio only. KU’s penalties if there is any will come after the season is over. KU will lawyer up for anything the NCAA tries to hand out.
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A lot of over reacting going on in here. Wow.
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Those who want Self fired, seriously think about who the next coach would be. Beard is going to UT or not leaving TTU. Bennett is likely staying on the East Coast.
Rick Pitino was just seriously considered for the UCLA job. Hoiberg seems to want to stay in the NBA.
If USA Basketball didn’t can him and the NABC didn’t can him I think that’s a pretty good sign that his internal reputation (those that know what goes on behind the scenes in CBB) think he’s a good coach. One slip up in 15 years is hardly something I’d be calling for a firing. You can question him for lying, but the truth is that there is likely nothing definitive that proves he told Adidas reps to pay anyone. But everyone knew what was happening. I just watched Law Abiding Citizen the other day, and this quote is applicable, “It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove in court!”
If you think firing Bill and hiring anyone else will change something, please explain that to me. Because I can’t seem to see how it would change a single thing, other than we’d be letting go of a coach who wins at a pretty historical rate.
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@Kcmatt7 Hoiberg doesn’t like recruiting, so I’d want no part of him.
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I don’t think he did know at the time, I think they have been investigating this matter.
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@Kcmatt7 Fred he’d rather be coaching college in an ESPN article a few weeks back.
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Yeah, Bill isn’t getting fired even if there is a smoking gun that links him to a payment.
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kjayhawks said:
@Kcmatt7 Fred he’d rather be coaching college in an ESPN article a few weeks back.
Same article said his preference was to stay in the NBA.
“Wojnarowski added that Hoiberg would prefer to remain in the NBA as a coach.”
I do think KU would be one job he’d consider leaving the NBA for, but most signs point to him being the Timberwolves next HC.
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@Kcmatt7 Your response was an off-putting, “Let’s fire him.” Much like many do in reply when anyone criticizes him. If you would have phrased it differently, I would have caught your point I think. You may not have meant it that way, but that’s how I read it.
So you think it’s clear he has knowledge of the muck and he’s lied? Ok.
I do think Self should be fired if he lied about all of this in that press conference. That was too public, too black and white from a leader. I’m in the camp that’s more in favor of waiting and seeing. Of course, your view on this as far as the facts are hard to dispute (and I don’t).
@MR11 Don’t be so sure. In fact, if that happens, I think it’s highly likely that he’s gone. I really wish he’d have hedged it all a bit as I mentioned just after the press conference. That’s why you listen to your lawyer. Even if the actual knowledge (details) are shielded from the King, hedging would still be better.
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@HighEliteMajor The fake fan predicts Bill will be fired. Whudda thunk it?
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Fun game suggestion: Let’s all count how many posters on this thread today seem determined to outdo each other going off the deep end before anything definitive has occurred.
Get a grip, people. Wait for facts, and please don’t think your opinions or suspicions are facts no matter how strongly held.
Bitching at each other for voicing differing speculations is a sign of misdirected anger. Is there some sort of race here, or a betting pool, that motivates some posters to insist on the finality and absolute accuracy of their viewpoints?
Wow.
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No
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I don’t think any of us know much about the Silvio case.
I’m hearing people say, “why didn’t the university declare Silvio ineligible earlier and then proceed with trying to get him reinstated?”
On the surface, that sounds like a fair question. But do any of us really think the university/athletic department/coaching staff is “out to lunch” on this? There are reasons why things happen and when they happen.
It will really be something if Silvio gets back in the game for us! Strangely… as much of a Doke fan as I am… I have come to realize that our better lineup ahead could be Silvio replacing Doke. Silvio has speed! Silvio has the ability to shoot outside of the box. Silvio is a better FT shooter. And, arguably, a better defender! And, of course… our best rebounder!
Now… throw in Agbaji to this mix! We could have one VERY QUICK team with plenty of depth! Suddenly… we become a defensive NIGHTMARE for opponents!
Is it possible our best potential is ahead of us? And, on top of that… maybe we get Doke back next year as a senior!
My glass runneth over… the heck with being half full!
Think, people… think! Better… dream!
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FWIW, Seth Davis thinks Silvio plays Saturday. Would be a terrific development.
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@FarmerJayhawk Change the ceiling of the team imo. His rebounding is tremendous.
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@FarmerJayhawk woah! Was that in his article?
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Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk woah! Was that in his article?
He tweeted it in response to a question if memory serves.
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The way big David is playing even with Doke out. I hate that Mitch isn’t able to use a redshirt because I see his minutes going down to very minimum if SDS is able to go.
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Norm said after game his mouth wasn’t very good.
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@KUSTEVE Oh, the “real” fan speaks. Good for a chuckle.
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Seth Davis’s “educated guess” better be right
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BeddieKU23 said:
Seth Davis’s “educated guess” better be right
Yesterday, Seth Davis tweeted, “Hoops Thoughts Exclusive: Kansas will ask NCAA to reinstate Silvo De Sousa.” Reply from reader: “Seth - what would you say re the chances Silvio plays this year?” Seth Davis: “I think it is likely (but far from definite that he plays Saturday vs West Virginia. Just an educated guess.”
It would be nice to know where Seth got his “education”
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The more I read that it was more a split answer, he thinks Silvio will play this year but has no idea if that could be as soon as Saturday? Am I reading that right?
Anyways The Athletic broke this story and a lot of other places ran with the story so hopefully they didn’t just catch a headline for the sake of it. Hopefully there is actually some merit that there could be a ruling one way or the other.
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BeddieKU23 said:
The more I read that it was more a split answer, he thinks Silvio will play this year but has no idea if that could be as soon as Saturday? Am I reading that right?
Anyways The Athletic broke this story and a lot of other places ran with the story so hopefully they didn’t just catch a headline for the sake of it. Hopefully there is actually some merit that there could be a ruling one way or the other.
@BeddieKU23 I suspect you’re right. Since Davis didn’t provide any context for the information or source of its origin, we’re really just sitting in the dark with our fingers crossed
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I’m going with the full glass!
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I’m going with the full glass!
@Crimsonorblue22 From your lips (fingers?) to God’s ears!
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@Crimsonorblue22 You’re braver than I am … but the idea of having SDS should get all KU fans very excited. The guy is dynamic, and would fit perfectly with what Self is wanting to do now. He can fly up and down the court, and is skilled.
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I just read this from Sports Illustrated. It is based on the report from Seth Davis in The Athletic:
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/01/14/silvio-de-sousa-kansas-asking-ncaa-reinstatement
It provided some detail that I wasn’t aware of, including that SDS may still be ruled ineligible last year and that would vacate the FF (it doesn’t mention the conference title). It seems like KU would not willingly enter into an agreement with the NCAA that would include vacating games. Is is possible there could be a negotiated settlement between KU and the NCAA that “time served” would be the only punishment? I certainly hope so - I want to get back to @Crimsonorblue22’s full glass
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Silvio could end riding in on the white horse not once, but TWICE in his KU career! If this happens we need to get him an epic nickname.
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Second half Silvio. Who needs a non-con to get to the final four? Not Silvio!
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Yeah the part about vacating wins, the Final 4 and the Big-12 tittle is getting too far ahead with the situation.
We’ll have to wait to see how this shakes out first with his eligibility. I would hope logic prevails in the aftermath of the the ruling, one way or the other.
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The outcome of Miami’s Dewan Hernandez eligibility case should temper expectations on Silvio. It would be a miracle if KU gets him back considering the circumstances
As a poster on the phog wrote:
Miami’s guy was alleged to have signed a contract with an agent and was alleged to have received money. There is no evidence this happened because no contract has been produced that showed he did and there wasn’t a money trail. Guess what the NCAA said? He is ineligible. Guess what they said on appeal? We don’t care if there is no actual evidence. He is ineligible.
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Maybe trying to get a better outcome is why KU takes their sweet time proceeding on these deals?!?
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Gonna kick some Mountaineer butt.
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BShark said:
Gonna kick some Mountaineer butt.
Great attitude! But the Mountaineers just had their butts kicked. Two in a row? Huggy meltdown?
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@Gorilla72 West Virginia is 8-9 this season. They are really bad team this year and they’re going to be without Konate again I believe so they won’t have any rim protection. This is Huggy’s worst team in a long time.
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Missing Carter and West.
