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Kcmatt7 said:
@wissox THE SCHOOLS DO NOT PAY THE PLAYERS. THE PLAYERS FETCH ENDORSEMENTS ON AN OPEN MARKET.
If a rower can get someone to pay them for rowing, by God, let them get paid.
Why you yelling at me bro?
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@wissox My bad dude. Works been too slow lately. Misdirected boredom.
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I’m curious where the IRS fits into all these payments. Surely it must be declared as income to the parents. “Follow the money” is spot on here. If reported, it’s definitive (unless hidden as another type of income). If not reported - well, who wants to mess with the IRS??? Will/can the FBI subpoena tax returns? Your thoughts are appreciated, as I haven’t seen the IRS mentioned anywhere…
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@Gorilla72 Still a few days to report the 2017 payments, but there might be penalties for not making sufficient estimated tax payments when the money was received.
Unless, of course, the IRS waives the penalty because of the unexpected nature of accepting a large corruption payment from a shoe company.
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Gary Parish was on 810 AM in KC and the interview was interesting to say the least with a clear anti-KU bias. Some of the statements include…
In the last 6 months the question I hear the most from coaches I talk to is…Adidas is the target of the investigation, why is it that KU, the flagship program from Adidas, is not yet implicated?
==> I seriously doubt that any coach would ask such a question, even off the record.
Question: have you ever heard of any player that was paid money that the program was not aware of the payment?
Answer: I never heard of a program where a player was paid that the program did not know, it would stretch my imagination to think that the program did not know about the payments.
Everybody was wondering when KU was going to be mentioned in the investigation.
I know that Gatto is more than a business acquaintance and he isa close friend of Bill Self.
The FBI has Gatto’s computer with all the correspondence with KU and they will find out what went on.
Gatto is not a street thug and he does not have an honor code like snitches get stitches and he does not want to be away from his kids and grandkids so he will cooperate with the FBI and will name names.
The entire interview had a heavy undertone of presumed KU guilt. For being the new KU station the entire interview sure sounded like a hatchet job. Of course, with Kietzman in charge we should expect nothing less.
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So after all the investigating of billy Preston and holding him out, Self decides it’s ok to pay Silvio’s guardian, months after the investigation has started. How dumb would that be?
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Kcmatt7 said:
@Bwag Universities that lose money from their sports teams just shouldn’t have sports teams. Problem solved.
Then college sports would cease to exist. No woman’s sports program, not even UConn with its string of national titles, makes a profit. Since Title 10 program requires equal participation then the men’s sports would need to shut down as well. The truth about college sports is that only men’s football and basketball, particularly football, make a profit, the rest just live off that income.
As far as endorsements, who exactly would be doing the endorsement? Realistically there are 30-40 athletes that will move to the NBA every year out of app. 6,000 players in Division I and maybe another 30 that will go overseas. The question is…should the NCAA change the entire college sports structure and provide a free marketing platform for that 1% of players who already derive well over $60K per year in benefits? More importantly, who would be the target audience for an 18 year old kid fresh out of HS endorser who most people can barely understand? Would you be swayed to buy a product just because athlete, say Devonté, endorses it? I believe the potential market for college athletes as endorsers is way overrated.
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There seems to be this idea among the East Coast MSM members that it is impossible for a program like Kansas, in what they call flyover country, to do that well without cheating but they don’t give a second though to programs like Duke and UNC or even a Kentucky.
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I suspect this “universities are the victims” distinction means more than most laymen realize right now.
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@jaybate-1-0 In fact, without the distinction, there isn’t even a hint of a case. The entire premise relies on this assumption. Which begs the question — how many university actors does it take, with knowledge, to change the university from “victim” to “co-conspirator”? I note that in most of the cases, there is an assistant coach (university actor) with knowledge. What if a head coach knew, who is likely the highest paid university employee (or 2nd to the football coach)? What if a university president knew?
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@Gorilla72 You are joking, right? A scuzzball taking large chunks of dirty shoe cash is going to report that on their taxes? Thanks for the early morning laugh.
@jaybate-1-0 It lept off the page and whipsawed me when I heard the sound bite. The “victim” spin bordered on OTT. the interesting twist is how adamant and vocal Silvio’s guardian was about not taking any money. The guardian said that Silvio never played for a 3 stripe AAU team or had any affiliation with Adidas. Cue movie plot twist: what if the dastardly villains at Adidas went after Silvio in retaliation for never joining their petro shoe complex. Maybe they fingered him and tried to drag him and KU into the muck. Many forces don’t like to see flyby schools in the F4. This thing is getting juicy! (read: out of hand ridiculous). It would seem stupid for them to go after a player at an adidas school, but weirder things have happened. Now if Preston took money it would not surprise me in the least. Seems like very dim bulbs in that camp.
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@JayHawkFanToo Wortying about media bias is distracting you from the real areas of concern. We would be engaged in exactly the same speculations–for example, the thread on Stumpy trashed him and UAz completely. Other media, not just east coast, are wondering where it could lead, and many posters here are worried about it. Rob Dauster’s article on NBCSports started with him saying exactly the same thing about all the questions since last fall about when the addidas inquiries would get to its most heavily supported program.
Here is my bigger take from your informative post about the interview: The discussion of Gatto being a close friend of Bill is pretty much a bombshell because I hadn’t seen that before. Why Parrish would say it was more than a business relationship is puzzling. Unless Bill knew him before, or got him the job at addidas or something. That road is one that doesn’t lead anywhere good.
Incidentally, for him to say he doesn’t believe someone on staff didn’t know about the payments should not concern us about bias or think that means he is smelling blood in the water. How many people here have stated as absolute certainty that Pitino, Boeheim, Roy, Cal, and K had to have known what was going on when their players or programs got in trouble? How many have responded to this indictment by trying to deflect it to Nike programs (“UK and Duke must be dirty to get so many 5-stars”).It is an almost instinctive suspicion and it is only when our own get questioned that we scream “Bias! Innocent until proven guilty!”
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@JayHawkFanToo I meant more like for entire schools than just individual sports. I also explained the importance of athletics immediately following that post. Don’t with this topic.
Yes they should change their rule. Done with that topic too.
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@JayHawkFanToo and yes people would pay Devonte to use a product. He has 116k Instagram followers and could probably make about $5k per post he made advertising a product. It is super cheap advertising considering the reach you get.
If you don’t see the market, it’s because you’re too old to see it.
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Now I’m actually done.
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@JayHawkFanToo Lol. Was Parish on KK’s show? Can’t imagine more hatred for KU in one place…
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I am sure 810AM has a recording of the show on its website and perhaps you could find It and listen.
It was not the speculation that bothered me but the presumption that KU was guilty and that it would stretch the imagination if KU was not aware of it. Yes, we speculate here but we are anonymous posters and not journalist that are held to a different standard where facts guide or should guide the discourse and speculation should be presented as such.
Do you really believe that the main question coaches with whom he talks would be …since Adidas is the primary target why is KU not inducted since it is its flagship program? Really? Coaches are a tight knitted group and they really do not criticize each other and why would they ask Parrish who know as much or as little as we do? Listening to the conversation sure sounded like made up BS spoken to give himself more importance.
As far as stating that the FBI seized Gatto’s computer and that all the incriminating evidence will be there is also BS. If and that is a big IF there were communication between Adidas and KU about anything not kosher it certainly would not have been via official communications but in person and waaaaaaay off the record.
The bit about Coach Self being close friends with Gatto when he said that Coach Self pretty much confirmed it when he talked to reporters after the banquet is again BS since Coach Self said nothing of a kind, all he said is that he is aware KU is the flagship Adidas programor words to that effect.I believe that at one time he indicated he knows Gatto because he is the lead person for Adidas marketing the brand to elite programs and I am sure he was involved in negotiating the deal with KU.
Here is Coach Self’s quote:
“You have an apparel company and we are obviously a big player with them,” he said. “That’s not saying anything positive or negative. Those are facts. Of all the schools that are out there affiliated with apparel companies, we would be one of Adidas’ biggest schools. So, yeah, there’s some unknowns there that obviously would be a concern to anybody that is involved in the sport right now. But I’m not to the point where I feel like there’s been wrongdoing on behalf of anyone associated with us.”
Again, why don’t you find the recording and listen for yourself and firm your own opinion. I am not saying that journalist cannot or should not speculate but when they do they should present it as such and not as facts. BTW, his click bait headline that the FBI and not a conference team would end KU’s title streak was highlighted at the beginning of the interview.
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yes the only thing missing was Elpoyo to trash Andrew Wiggins.
And we thought the off-season was going to be boring.
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I believe the show is called between the lines and goes from 2 to 6 in the afternoon and is led by Kietzman.
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Here is a link to the podcast you might have to scroll down to the Garry Parish interview. I had forgotten the part about Larry Brown; I am on the record as saying that Larry Brown and his history of rule breaking is troublesome and that I would prefer he is not associated with KU. Just a few days ago on the Memphis thread I mentioned that the AD would have trouble hiring Larry Brown precisely for this reason. Wouldn’t it be something if KU ends up being penalized, again, because something Larry Brown did…
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I believe the show is called between the lines and goes from 2 to 6 in the afternoon and is led by Kietzman.
Trash radio lol
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Unfortunately last year it replaced 610AM as the official KU station in the KC Metro area. Another bonner by Zenger, handing KU sports broadcasts to Kietzman, a KSU fan and KU hater.
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@JayHawkFanToo I will listen to it sometime. I agree the headline was provocative, but it certainly reflected the concerns that have been raised everywhere. Sort of like when Michael Phelps got caught with marijuana here in Columbia with some SC students, along the lines of: “Has Phelps’ Run of Olympic Medals Gone to Pot?”
As to coaches and writers talking: I absolutely believe they talk and speculate about all types of stuff. They go to the same locales, they eat together, they talk to the same people, they yak OTR constantly, and I am sure they speculate (again, OTR) constantly. It boggles my mind to think you believe no one, in those conversations, would ever have said: “God, that payola crap looks messy. And it is addidas! Look at Louisville–that is a big-time take-down. You think KU will get caught in this–they get more money from addidas than anyone?”
I am not saying I think the writers haven’t gotten their quills sharpened to make more hay out of this. But I think most sports journalists see and hear about far worse things than they report, including athletes getting tons of benefits from boosters, etc, so I think they are quite cynical, not biased against any particular program, conference, or region.
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I am not saying that coaches never talk about it but to state that THIS is the question he has been asked the most by coaches sounds like a gross exaggeration; why would they ask Parrish in the first place? Listen to the interview and form your own opinion.
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@Buster-1926 Not sure I buy the theory that SZ might be secretly undermining KU. Bad things that happen in college sports usually cause AD’s heads to be among the ones rolling away from the chopping block. And, when institutional control is implicated, they get fired for cause, not collecting their big buyouts.
But it definitely shows creative thinking!
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In all fairness, Zenger negotiated contracts for TV and now radio are head scratchers and KU fans in the KC are are not happy. You will not find many Zenger fans in this area.
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@Buster-1926 @JayHawkFanToo
Don’t get me wrong: I think he is clearly an idiot. I just don’t think a KSU alum could ever be capable of pulling off a scheme that sophisticated. Incompetence is a more believable explanation!
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I’ll toss out that I like 810 – better than the 610 in large part. KK has hammered some topics pretty well (on many other matters). We just know he’s a KSU guy, with that bias. They include Clinkscale who’s pro KU. At other times, Petro is pretty unbiased. The early morning guys are MU/KU, but I think both are pretty fair. I don’t know, I think we are maybe a touch sensitive when a topic like this hits home.
@Buster-1926 – I enjoy the old X-files episodes. There’s a new version. You might get the older versions of Scully and Mulder on this pronto. I like a good conspiracy theory.
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@HighEliteMajor 810 is better in the morning and afternoon. I agree. However, the 610 evening show, I like better. Unless Jack Harry is getting made fun of by KK. Which is my favorite weekly segment.
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This article suggests that the “hear and see no evil” defense might work to avoid vacatings. Based on the infamous Myron Piggie case and how Duke avoided losing its 1999 NC despite David Maggette having taken money. So, I take one step back from my pessimism. Then again, it was Duke…
http://m.kusports.com/news/2018/apr/13/former-prosecutor-ku-not-clear-yet-one-past-case-p/
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More importantly…kubuckets is back!
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@Buster-1926 I am going to make a few calls trying to get contracts for a few of those 5-stars going to Duke. Give their parents some frequent flyer miles or something.
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@Kcmatt7 that would make it a small group from everything I’ve seen.
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It’s called a “Duke call” and it is the same thing as what refs often give them. But other schools get Duke calls… UNC… Syracuse…
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Buster 1926 said:
@mayjay FWIW this is the first (contract) year that any KU sports coverage has been broadcasted on a clearly KSU & MU biased Entercom station & to be quite frank, Zenger is the first place anyone should look for a trail, whether it be blood, paper, or just the ever-so-subtle (HA!) shoe co tracks … :shoe:
Since when did 810 become Entercom?
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All eyes are focused on KU and DeSousa? All the recruiting experts are pissed they predicted him to Maryland and he chose KU?
Yet…Zion Williamson was predicted by the SAME recruiting experts to South Carolina, and yet he commits to Puke? Not one “expert,” or investigator finds that ODD?
Zion can choose Puke and it’s perfectly understandable, and DeSousa picks KU and the they investigate the Adidas shoe whore. They bring KU into question? Yet Coach K and Puke remain UNTOUCHABLE. Does anyone else see the bias? And yet the bball world is calling the “KU victim” claim bullshit? WOW…I can’t wait to see how far these investigations go into other programs and how many other programs are “CAUGHT” from their shoe whores influencing recruits. I’m sick of this shit and KU getting crucified as a villain. These same haters better be concerned about their own favorite programs because they are next.
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@truehawk93 I don’t get it either. What about Nike?
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Jay Bilas weighs in…
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article209167479.html
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BeddieKU23 said:
Jay Bilas weighs in…
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article209167479.html
HEM trigger warning.
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@BeddieKU23 Great read. I’ve always been a Bilas fan, he certainly had Kansas’ back in that article.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Jay Bilas weighs in…
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article209167479.html
HATERS PLEASE READ: (AKA DAN DAKICH)
JAY BILAS: … I read (one) article the other day, the one that was using unnamed sources on people like balking at Kansas using the term ‘victim.’ That’s not Kansas’ term. That’s what the government claims. That’s what the the government says. They (KU officials) didn’t pull that out of thin air. The United States government says they are a victim, That is their theory. I don’t understand why people won’t go on the record. What’s so horrible about it? If you’ve got the opinion that Kansas, they’re not victims, then why wouldn’t you stand behind that? I didn’t understand that one. To me that’s like an issue of petty jealousy. It’s like claiming UCLA wouldn’t have won all those championships if not for Sam Gilbert. The hell they wouldn’t of. They would have won them anyway.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article209167479.html#storylink=cpy
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Bilas makes a strong case that the whole system relies on massive hypocrisy. But he is wrong about whether the schools are technically victims. You can be defrauded even if you get something as a result. Sure, KU got SDS as a result of the 2nd payment that sprang him from Maryland, but look at Billy to understand what harm a school can face when a player falsely enrolls as an amateur and that eligibility then gets questioned or rejected (financial waste of the scholarship, obviously, but also the risk of competitive imbalance, severe planning disruption, and, had he played, possible retroactive forfeits).
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@BeddieKU23 I love it when Bilas backs up KU. Some here dont tolerate his opinions too well but I kind of like the guy. He is intelligent, well spoken, appears to be honest. I love it when he goes to bat for Coach Self and KU. Especially since he is a Dukie.
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He could have easily piled on, but he didn’t. You have to respect how he sticks to his guns at all times.
To be honest, I know guys who played football at Butler CC and they even got paid. Random envelopes of cash would just end up in their mailboxes. Everyone is getting paid and has been for a long time.
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I liked his interview. I don’t always agree with him but he made some good points.
Its disturbing if what’s he saying about the basketball commission comes true, it doesn’t solve the issues at all. But he was absolutely right, the money talks, the money will always win out.
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To further add, the Billy situation led to Silvio in this convoluted mess. Which ugly duck is worse? We didn’t play one player we found to have eligibility concerns. But we ended pushing the other to come early and play only to find out his recruitment was full of back door dealings from the FBI. I fear the NCAA comes at KU and tries to connect the dots, especially if they rule Silvio ineligible a 2nd time around.
I agree with Bilas, there’s no way a school can monitor everything or be expected to.
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Nothing is going to happen to KU, or Silvio. Worst case Silvio would be suspended for a game … maybe. Sexton was suspended for a game.
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@Lulufulu I’ve always like Jay - and this was a very sweet article backing KU and Coach Self for sure
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KUSTEVE said:
Nothing is going to happen to KU, or Silvio. Worst case Silvio would be suspended for a game … maybe. Sexton was suspended for a game.
Not the same circumstances. I hope this all settles itself but there is probably no clarity in sight
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I just hope Silvio and his Guardian are cooperative with the NCAA and get it sorted out now instead of dragging it out into the season. I honestly believe that if Silvio had no idea he shouldn’t be penalized for his guardian.
If the FBI wanted to really make a difference, they would go after the parents.
