FBI...here we go
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@mayjay I agree and I find it extremely unlikely that Bill Self or any of his staff, coaches would do anything to hurt KU Basketball in any way shape or form.
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To me, its looking like Silvio won’t be able to play for KU this season. Its not fair to him at all. I mean dont punish the kid for something he wasnt involved in. Make the recipient of the payments give it back and penalize them! Screw the NCAA and their idiotic rules.
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NCAA already declared him eligible.
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BShark said:
NCAA already declared him eligible.
The thing is that the NCAA cleared him last year , that’s great BUT what they cleared him for was they cleared him for the courses he took met NCAA guidelines to qualify to graduate early and gain entrance mid semester , and play for KU last year - -that course he had took met guidelines and were acceptable courses - this was BEFORE any of this became knowledge but quite some time- -they haven’t cleared him for any possible payments of 20,000 him or his guardian may have taken from Gotto
I think Silvio is DONE. - - Do I think it’s right ? - – Hell no I don’t - I truly feel he has no idea , like someone else said IF the guardian took money then HE is the one who needs his ass kicked , he just caused Silvio to lose his Amateur status – I don’t think you’ll ever see Silvio touch the floor in another ball game for KU. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Lulufulu They gave Sexton a 1 game penalty last year.
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
NCAA already declared him eligible.
The thing is that the NCAA cleared him last year , that’s great BUT what they cleared him for was they cleared him for the courses he took met NCAA guidelines to qualify to graduate early and gain entrance mid semester , and play for KU last year - -that course he had took met guidelines and were acceptable courses - this was BEFORE any of this became knowledge but quite some time- -they haven’t cleared him for any possible payments of 20,000 him or his guardian may have taken from Gotto
I think Silvio is DONE. - - Do I think it’s right ? - – Hell no I don’t - I truly feel he has no idea , like someone else said IF the guardian took money then HE is the one who needs his ass kicked , he just caused Silvio to lose his Amateur status – I don’t think you’ll ever see Silvio touch the floor in another ball game for KU. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
No, he was cleared both academically and amateurism-wise.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/jan/13/silvio-de-sousa-cleared-ncaa-will-play-today-vs-k-/
Excerpt: The KU basketball program on Saturday morning announced that the 6-foot-9, 245-pound power forward who came to Kansas a semester early after graduating from IMG Academy in Florida in December, had been certified as an amateur athlete and would be eligible to play in today’s 11 a.m. game against Kansas State at Allen Fieldhouse.
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A KU mention although vague in details
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Sexton LITERALLY ON THE PAYROLL AT BAMA.
With their football program being what it is, you think they’d be better at cheating.
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Brian Bowen Sr. just said in court that he was offered but did not accept money and benefits from Arizona, Okie St., Texas, Creighton, and oregon.
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@Woodrow Lol people these days will perjure the hell out of themselves.
Edit: I reread an actual quote. He didn’t lie. He just didn’t take money from them and took the Louisville deal. I get it now. Crazy.
Didn’t remember what Oregon offered.
Arizona though, again. Just absolute trash.
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He was paid $5-$8,000 to have his son play for a Nike AAU team.
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How is Nike not more implicated in this than Adidas? OSU, UT, Arizona and Creighton all Nike schools…
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@Woodrow - link for your info? It seems to be real time?
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@Gorilla72 I am just following it on Twitter. Dan Wetzel and Adam Zagoria are both at the trial…
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@Gorilla72 All over twitter right now. https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1047947858832515074
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So , with all these schools offering Bowen money - -helping with housing 8.00 cars roflmao whatever I’m beginning to think that the way this is going the NCAA would have to put half the schools on probation inn one form or another - this isn’t HALF of what’s going on I’m getting the sense - -ALOT more schools that probably guilty not even getting caught up. If they try and penalize all the schools they are gonna be in sad shape.
Like has been said in the past - - if they really wanted to the NCAA could probably put every single school in the Nation on probation - -the rules are so jacked up - -they talking about the possibility of Compliance office and how closely thing are monitored - hell I’m not feeling nearly as bad after seeing this. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The key to all of this is if there is proof. If not it is just one mans word versus another. So it means nothing.
And if Creighton is out there offering $100K then EVERYONE is cheating!
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@Woodrow lol just what I was about to say. Yea if Creighton can whip up $100k, anyone can.
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Woodrow said:
The key to all of this is if there is proof. If not it is just one mans word versus another. So it means nothing.
And if Creighton is out there offering $100K then EVERYONE is cheating!
YUP – EVERYONE – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Laugh now but you dont want to know what the blue bloods offer, ku included.
All this airing out of the dirty laundry doesn’t help anything. It will mean nothing because Emmert and the NCAA are the ones ultimately responsible, and where are they during this? Hardly a word
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100k AND a job offer from Creighton. Yeaaaah.
There are worse time frames this investigation could have hit for KU, that’s for sure.
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Sitting Billy was pretty smart…
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@1JayhawkLifer Certified as an amateur for initial eligibility is largely dependent on information provided by the recruit and his family. That means nothing if the NCAA finds out the submissions were fraudulent.
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@Lulufulu If that big could play for Arizona last season then everyone should be playing!
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Soooo, we’re going to see some Lawson/Lawson front line lineups if Silvio is ruled out. That means we could run a freaking 5 out offense. Dotson/Grimes/Vick/KJ/Dedric. Man oh man…that could be the best passing team we’ve ever seen.
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@KUSTEVE I don’t think we’d see them in the front court together very much even if SDS is ruled ineligible. KJ will mostly play the 3 this year and when he does play the 4 spot, it’ll be in place of his brother, not next to him, but that’s assuming Self doesn’t decide to play Mitch as the back up 4 if Silvio is ruled ineligible.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@KUSTEVE I don’t think we’d see them in the front court together very much even if SDS is ruled ineligible. KJ will mostly play the 3 this year and when he does play the 4 spot, it’ll be in place of his brother, not next to him, but that’s assuming Self doesn’t decide to play Mitch as the back up 4 if Silvio is ruled ineligible.
Ya I think your right.I think if anything were gonna see Mitch backing Dedric at the 4- -KJ will either play the 3 or he has even played some 2 -but I think most the time he will be exclusive 3. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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If we don’t have Silvio its a huge loss, a huge shift in this team’s depth and the difference between being a championship contender
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@BeddieKU23 I think the difference is going from being a final four lock to being a championship contender…like most years.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 I think the difference is going from being a final four lock to being a championship contender…like most years.
I would hardly call this bunch a Final 4 lock with so many new pieces. A lot of pre-season hype/expectations include Silvio being apart of that. This team may/probably will start two freshman in the backcourt which has its own set of growing pains. I think the sum of all of KU’s parts are better then the field but without Silvio its a big dent to the post depth Self was going to have.
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If Silvio is found ineligible how can KU keep supporting Adidas? Two players they allegedly paid are now caught up in this scandal.
The problem with ditching Adidas is the entire field is dirty. Nobody is clean. None of this dirty laundry will actually get fixed. SO does KU just go to the next dirty company and hope it doesn’t get caught in the cross hairs again? Or stick with the company having its dirty laundry aired out
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This team could lose Silvio and still be a championship contender. No doubt in my mind. Post depth is the least of my concerns. I’m much more worried about how Dotson looks running the show. Followed closely by the chemistry of this group. A lot of mouths to feed on this team.
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@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I would hardly call this bunch a Final 4 lock with so many new pieces. A lot of pre-season hype/expectations include Silvio being apart of that. This team may/probably will start two freshman in the backcourt which has its own set of growing pains. I think the sum of all of KU’s parts are better then the field but without Silvio its a big dent to the post depth Self was going to have.
Missing DeSousa and having Doke/lawson with McCormack/Lightfoot coming off the bench is still a pretty good 4 man front court rotation.
i agree about the Final 4 not being a lock.
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KU would miss De Sousa’s rebounding and energy. He’s probably the best rebounder among the Doke/Big Dave/Silvio group.
That said, KU would still be tough because the best 3 players on the team are probably still Grimes, D. Lawson and Doke, and they are all healthy and eligible.
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FF is never a lock unless you are 2012 UK or similar. It’s very rare.
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BeddieKU23 said:
If Silvio is found ineligible how can KU keep supporting Adidas? Two players they allegedly paid are now caught up in this scandal.
The problem with ditching Adidas is the entire field is dirty. Nobody is clean. None of this dirty laundry will actually get fixed. SO does KU just go to the next dirty company and hope it doesn’t get caught in the cross hairs again? Or stick with the company having its dirty laundry aired out
Gotta see how this all shakes out. As things currently stand, I’d just stick with Adidas.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
Arguments could have been made for starting Silvio ahead of Doke.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
If Silvio is found ineligible how can KU keep supporting Adidas? Two players they allegedly paid are now caught up in this scandal.
The problem with ditching Adidas is the entire field is dirty. Nobody is clean. None of this dirty laundry will actually get fixed. SO does KU just go to the next dirty company and hope it doesn’t get caught in the cross hairs again? Or stick with the company having its dirty laundry aired out
Gotta see how this all shakes out. As things currently stand, I’d just stick with Adidas.
I think KU’s name has been put in the ringer enough to run as far away as we can. There is no solution but we can’t support a company that’s caused this and gotten caught doing so.
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Can’t really switch to Nike if the deal isn’t as good. Both are dirty and nothing will really change. We just need to get this sham case over with.
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BigBad said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I would hardly call this bunch a Final 4 lock with so many new pieces. A lot of pre-season hype/expectations include Silvio being apart of that. This team may/probably will start two freshman in the backcourt which has its own set of growing pains. I think the sum of all of KU’s parts are better then the field but without Silvio its a big dent to the post depth Self was going to have.
Missing DeSousa and having Doke/lawson with McCormack/Lightfoot coming off the bench is still a pretty good 4 man front court rotation.
i agree about the Final 4 not being a lock.
It is a good 4 man rotation. Just having anyone to sub in the post will be a luxury.
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dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
Silvio gives the team a dimension no other team outside of Kentucky has, which is a starter level talent as a rotation piece.
When we talk about step down from one player to the next, the gap between Silvio to Mitch/Dave is significant. At least in my opinion its bigger then what some may think. We’ll see how it shakes out.
It wouldn’t be a KU season without fans worrying about which post player won’t be available to play
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I agree overall post depth is not as big of a concern.
If we are talking the difference between an early round exit or a trip to the Final 4 at the moment I would absolutely downgrade the chances of the latter without Silvio. His impact to the team definitely saved last season. I would love to see what impact he could give this team with the roster we have
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@BeddieKU23 Yea at this point switching is a waste. Honestly, this happening probably gave KU a TON of leverage in the new contract and we were able to write in some ridiculous clauses that either protected us from this happening again or at the very least paid the university handsomely if it did.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Yea at this point switching is a waste. Honestly, this happening probably gave KU a TON of leverage in the new contract and we were able to write in some ridiculous clauses that either protected us from this happening again or at the very least paid the university handsomely if it did.
What monetary compensation would possibly make up for KU’s name being apart of this FBI investigation/trial?
I believe the sum was already well in the 8 figures right? I’m shocked we haven’t seen any movement here
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I feel like this topic gets discussed once a year and nothing has changed. KU is not going to switch from Adidas and the $190M contract they have offered. Adidas outfits ALL of our sport teams and no other company is going to do that. I don’t think people understand how big of a deal that is. KU is not leaving Adidas unless Nike or Under Armour make a earth shattering offer. Plain and simple.
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@BeddieKU23 I think it will be sort of a blessing in disguise, as I think KJ will pick up minutes at the 4 as well as the 3. This will in turn allow Vick to get more minutes. Lightfoot has certainly earned court time as well. It also accelerates Big Dave’s development, which will be important for next year. Yes, Silvio would’ve been nice, but I think we have plenty of options available who will do an outstanding job.
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BeddieKU23 said:
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
Silvio gives the team a dimension no other team outside of Kentucky has, which is a starter level talent as a rotation piece.
When we talk about step down from one player to the next, the gap between Silvio to Mitch/Dave is significant. At least in my opinion its bigger then what some may think. We’ll see how it shakes out.
It wouldn’t be a KU season without fans worrying about which post player won’t be available to play
It’s a huge drop from Silvio. Like you said, he is a starter level player. Dave and Prison Mitch are nice, quality back-ups at this time. I feel Dave can develop into a starter, but obviously not this season. So yeah, good depth and much better than recent years. It just wouldn’t be INSANE like it would be with Silvio.
If Silvio can play, KU and UK both have about 7-8 legit high quality starter type players.
