FBI...here we go
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@HighEliteMajor What if they assumed he was paid, but didn’t know any of the details about how much or what method or by whom?
Is Self then still at fault?
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@HighEliteMajor Somewhere in this mess, I thought I read that KU held him out after the NCAA notified us that there might be a problem. The issue, I think, had arisen out of the info being examined by the FBI.
If so, hiding the real reason could have been to protect Preston’s rep if the info turned out to be bogus. Anything coming out of the FBI to schools back then was likely to have been in the form of rumor, and would have needed to be tracked down and substantiated before any official action could be announced based on it.
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@Kcmatt7 if Self knew he was paid, yes. If not, then no. If it was wink, wink, yea, we don’t know the detail, but yea, we know he got something to come to KU from a third party. Yes, Self is at fault. 100%.
@mayjay Ok, I just didn’t recall hearing of the eligibility issue being known prior to the infamous fender bender. I thought it was as a result of KU’s investigation after Der Fender Bender (a former ride at World’s Fun, back in the day).
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@HighEliteMajor So, fire Self?
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What about Nichole telling billy what to say? I don’t think billy knew, at least not at the beginning. I know!
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@Kcmatt7 Why would you bring up firing Bill Self? Do you hate Bill Self? What do you have against him?
Sorry … just funny to me.
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@Crimsonorblue22 We do sometimes forget that just because they are very good at basketball doesn’t change the fact that they are just kids (or very young, many times immature, adults). Most kids do what their parents ask.
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@HighEliteMajor That’s what I thought lol.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Wow, I never heard that on Preston … that he was never deemed eligible by the NCCA. Why would we have played him in the MU thing then? That really doesn’t add up to me. Why would the car thing be used as cover? Why do we need dishonest “cover?”
I don’t think KU is clear. It goes to the knowledge of the payment to Preston (his mom, or whoever). If KU coaches knew of the payment, presumably didn’t tell the Administration (AD), then a question arose, everyone then did a pow wow and concluded to hold him out, and we held him out, that doesn’t clear the coaches.
He was cleared in one aspect but not another. I don’t remember the details. Maybe @FarmerJayhawk could chime in here please?
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The texts between Preston and his mom appear to indicate the coaching staff did not know about the payments and a deliberate attempt by mom and son to keep the information from them. Preston did not play in any offcial games so I would think KU is pretty safe in this particular case.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Wow, I never heard that on Preston … that he was never deemed eligible by the NCCA. Why would we have played him in the MU thing then? That really doesn’t add up to me. Why would the car thing be used as cover? Why do we need dishonest “cover?”
I don’t think KU is clear. It goes to the knowledge of the payment to Preston (his mom, or whoever). If KU coaches knew of the payment, presumably didn’t tell the Administration (AD), then a question arose, everyone then did a pow wow and concluded to hold him out, and we held him out, that doesn’t clear the coaches.
I will clarify what I wrote.
This is what Ryan on the Phog said about Billy. Ryan has connections to the program.
Preston was cleared academically but his amateurism wasn’t.
He played in all the exhibitions because the expectation was he would be cleared by the opener to play.
The Car crash happened but it was used as a front while they waited for the NCAA to rule on his amateurism. At some point the NCAA let them know the situation and KU appealed on Billy’s behalf.
Whether all of it, some of, or none of it is true it would make some sense on why there was no movement.
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@JayHawkFanToo Right, but in this deal where they try to provide the coach deniability, as everyone seems to think, it would make great sense for the Adidas rep (or any shoe company rep) to make it appear to the player/parent/guardian that the coach doesn’t know. That limits the number of squealers that could implicate the coach. That fits right with how all this was supposedly handled. So the discussions from Gassnola’s end don’t really matter much. He was the main line in the “plausible deniability” defense. But, of course, I don’t know. It would just fit under what has transpired, particularly the interactions on DeSousa.
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My point was that Billy and his mom were under the impression that KU personnel was not aware of the payments and tried to keep the information from them. It also appears that KU personnel were not aware of the payments to Billy’s mom and apparently kept asking Billy questions about it and he did not volunteered any information and the he finally bolted.
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@JayHawkFanToo Yes, I understood your point, which you have reiterated. My point was a separate point, which is a reason why none of that may matter regarding KU’s culpability. Emphasis on may, as I don’t know.
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Poor Silvio. Find that Spanish team and go play young man. You don’t need to be the fall guy in this.
“No, unfortunately, and there’s not going to be any news, I wouldn’t think, in the immediate future,”
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News will come “soon”. Billy Preston soon.
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BShark said:
News will come “soon”. Billy Preston soon.
Sunday? Monday? goshdangitiwanttoknownow
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BShark said:
News will come “soon”. Billy Preston soon.
I had to laugh when I realized that you were NOT saying there would be a ruling on Billy soon.
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Boy I’d like to think they could get a ruling out in the next month. But they’ve slow played the hell out of us before so who knows.
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I’ll take Silvio being done over losing even more from NCAA in some future ruling. Hopefully this is the end. However it’s going to hurt recruiting for a season or two. Self and company need to go the prep school route and grab some more Masons and Devonte types.
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If we don’t find another big, I think we probably need to look at taking a transfer or two.
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Meanwhile in Arizona: https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/board-of-regents-will-meet-thursday-to-discuss-arizona-wildcats/article_9d22c948-dc8f-11e8-9ba8-0faacc4e98c7.html
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Nothing to see here but PR duty
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I’d bet they conclude that he is too expensive to fire.
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No way they fire him with that recruiting class coming in. I agree with @BeddieKU23 this is nothing but a PR move.
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Oh they won’t fire him, I just think their board of regents meeting is hilarious.
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BShark said:
Oh they won’t fire him, I just think their board of regents meeting is hilarious.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a meeting at all, just an announcement that a meeting will take place with fluff and peanut butter
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BigBad said:
I’ll take Silvio being done over losing even more from NCAA in some future ruling. Hopefully this is the end. However it’s going to hurt recruiting for a season or two. Self and company need to go the prep school route and grab some more Masons and Devonte types.
I have a very strong feeling your gonna get your wish. - I just think really strong that Silvio has touched the KU floor for the last time as a player.
However on the recruiting front - -this class of 2019 yes it’s looking like it, However the following year I’m not that sure. All you have to do is look at Arizona/Louisville . - -They got hammered when this 1st came out from a recruiting standpoint. - Louisville - lost all their recruits and Lost Pitino . Old stumpy took a major hit too , sure they kept Ayton- -that while ordeal O think is still up in the air–yet to come - -but BOTH have came back this year the 2nd year and both have had really GOOD recruiting yrs for 19.- -No reason to believe KU won’t do the same thing. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Kcmatt7 said:
If we don’t find another big, I think we probably need to look at taking a transfer or two.
maybe a stud Juco
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jayballer73 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
If we don’t find another big, I think we probably need to look at taking a transfer or two.
maybe a stud Juco
CALM DOWN
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BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
If we don’t find another big, I think we probably need to look at taking a transfer or two.
maybe a stud Juco
CALM DOWN
being honest might hurt SOMES dainty feelings/toes roflmao
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Don’t underestimate the Ivory Tower folks.
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@jayballer73 I’ll buy you a beer if KU signs a JUCO basketball player, not happening.
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@BeddieKU23 @BShark I am shocked at both of you in thinking the Regents meeting is useless. They are getting together to collect their shares of the rest of the money that has not been accounted for.
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 @BShark I am shocked at both of you in thinking the Regents meeting is useless. They are getting together to collect their shares of the rest of the money that has not been accounted for.
I knew I forgot the most important part of this. I’ll do better next time
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BShark said:
@jayballer73 I’ll buy you a beer if KU signs a JUCO basketball player, not happening.
Not saying it WOULD HAPPEN I said COULD it happen. - -really not a whole hell lot of difference between a post grad transfer-OR A REALLY good Juco stud. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 I’ll buy you a beer if KU signs a JUCO basketball player, not happening.
Not saying it WOULD HAPPEN I said COULD it happen. - -really not a whole hell lot of difference between a post grad transfer-OR A REALLY good Juco stud. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think there is actually. I can’t think of a JUCO player that has had a huge impact for a good team recently. Self hasn’t went that route in a long time.
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BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 I’ll buy you a beer if KU signs a JUCO basketball player, not happening.
Not saying it WOULD HAPPEN I said COULD it happen. - -really not a whole hell lot of difference between a post grad transfer-OR A REALLY good Juco stud. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think there is actually. I can’t think of a JUCO player that has had a huge impact for a good team recently. Self hasn’t went that route in a long time.
WE shall see – we shall see - - -not to smart to think – NEVER SAY NEVER LOL - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark I remember a pretty good Juco player -not even from a really good program that just gave KU fits. - -Juco from Iowa State had some really big games against us - can’t remember his name but did quite well I think
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@jayballer73 Donovan Jackson maybe? He was okay.
Shakur Juiston ended up being a total stud for UNLV, but he is definitely an exception. When I look at even the top 10 JUCO prospects any given year, most end up doing next to nothing in D1. It’s a real crap shoot.
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@BShark No buddy it wasn’t him-- this guy was like I think if I remember right it was like 2-3-possibly 4 years ago - - like maybe a hght range around 6-6 - -6-5 maybe - could really stroke it from the outside when he was hot - could even play inside - just can’t remember
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jayballer73 said:
@BShark No buddy it wasn’t him-- this guy was like I think if I remember right it was like 2-3-possibly 4 years ago - - like maybe a hght range around 6-6 - -6-5 maybe - could really stroke it from the outside when he was hot - could even play inside - just can’t remember
Can’t think of a player that fits this description that was a JUCO. Ejim, Kane, Nader and Burton were all HS guys. Well, they all transferred to ISU, but they were HS to another D1 college to ISU. Except for Ejim, he was HS to ISU.
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BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 I’ll buy you a beer if KU signs a JUCO basketball player, not happening.
Not saying it WOULD HAPPEN I said COULD it happen. - -really not a whole hell lot of difference between a post grad transfer-OR A REALLY good Juco stud. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think there is actually. I can’t think of a JUCO player that has had a huge impact for a good team recently. Self hasn’t went that route in a long time.
I know UNLV isn’t considered a good team but Juiston is a really good Juco.
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Donovan Jackson?
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1JayhawkLifer said:
Donovan Jackson?
No dam can’t remember his name - -I hate that lol
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Dustin Hogue?
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Dam I looked it up - -and admit I THINK I was wrong. - 'I’m now thinking after looking at previous rosters. this name just stuck out
. It was Deonte Burton like 6’4 - -240 lbs. but he wasn’t a Juco - -played at Marquette then Iowa state. - -If I remember right - -he was just a very solid guy that could stroke it and even play tough at times inside. - he stroked us pretty good a couple of times I think - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Correct, he was not a JUCO.
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BShark said:
Correct, he was not a JUCO.
lol, ALSO correct he spanked us some times to lmao
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After a while… this all starts to sound like the 9/11 and moon landing conspiracy stuff.
The basketball world can’t even accurately predict where star recruits will go after the recruits narrow it down to 2 or 3 schools.
This stuff starts hurting my brain so I focus on our season ahead.
