Ute came to the right place
-
Hunter Dickenson is Alex Rodriguez…a diva who’s hard to root for…and who has more empty statistics than any player I remember. So many points/rebounds against crap teams and in games that are already decided
-
We just have to find a way to get the guys engaged and wanting to play basketball again.
-
This post is deleted!
-
@dylans said in Ute came to the right place:
The pieces are there, the spark isn’t. That is on the players to find. You either want it or you don’t and some (most) don’t know the effort it takes - I sure didn’t put forth the effort in sports that I thought I did in hindsight. I quit when I got wore out or hurt instead of pushing thru like, not my, but my loved ones life depended upon it. I didn’t have the heart of a sports champion, I hope the team finds theirs.
I don’t want to start a fight on here, frankly I think this is just a really inefficient medium to have a conversation about this. But man…if you think Self doesn’t deserve a whole lot of the blame for this one, I just don’t know what to tell you. (IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT SAYING FIRE SELF)
The pieces very much are not there. Hunter Dickinson is slow and easy to exploit. He has a terrible attitude, is a bad defender, and a sloppy player. He relies entirely on his size (and I think HD is the least of our concerns).
AJ Storr was notoriously an inefficient player. He takes a million shots, which is the only reason he averaged the numbers he did. When you’re a coach with a notoriously quick hook for poor decisions, that’s an odd choice. He’s also switched schools every year since he was 15, so you know he’s probably a poor fit for a school that prides itself on playing for the name on the front instead of the back.
Dajuan is small, can’t shoot, can’t score, and frankly I think is an overrated defender. Did everyone forget what it was like to have a PG that could score? We went from having Miles, Chalmers, Robinson, Collins, Taylor, Mason, Graham, and Dotson. And now we have a guy that’s lucky to average 8 points.
I’m not gonna pick on KJ. It’s not his fault he’s in this situation, and I’m not gonna repeat what everyone has already said. But suffice it to say, he’s a problem. He’s undersized, he’s relied on way too much to play a position that he doesn’t fit. Think about the SF and PF guys we’ve had over the years, Wright, Arthur, T-Rob, Perry, Jackson, Ochai…we’re asking a guy for a lot who’s probably at best a defensive specialist (he’s not that great of a defender, largely because he can’t be at his size, at that position). That’s a steep drop off.
You could just as easily point to the rest of the team and say the same thing. Coit is Charley Moore essentially, undersized, bad fit. Griffen looks like his confidence is shot, and he hasn’t been what was advertised. Shak Moore is fine, but he can’t score. Mayo is fine, but he’s the second scoring option when he should probably be the fourth.
When you say the pieces are there, I couldn’t disagree more. They very much are not. You have 2 scoring options. That’s why we pass the ball so much and it looks like nobody wants to shoot. The roster doesn’t fit. Self was always great at breaking guys down over the course of multiple years, and building them up based on his philosophy. That’s not the situation anymore, you don’t have the time with these guys anymore, and I question whether Self can adapt. I hope he can. He’s the best coach in KU history. But he’s also human. He has an ego like anyone would in his situation. His assistants are largely his friends, I honestly don’t know what they provide. This very odd, very mismatched roster is on Self. It just is. The buck stops with him, and those other factors just exacerbate the problem.
Guys I can tell you, KU will lose every road game from here on out. They will lose at BYU on Tuesday, they will lose at Colorado, and we will get destroyed at Houston. Seriously, place a bet on it. I have! Betting on KU to lose on the road at this point is free money. We’ll probably lose at home to Arizona too.
Guys, things are bad. Bad, bad. You can try to equivocate and compare us to other programs, but we’re not other programs. You can’t have it both ways. Expectations come with the territory.
We are at a crossroads. I do think that a big part of this is the FBI investigation that killed our recruiting. KJ and Dajuan are part of that. They were consolation prizes at a time when we couldn’t get big names. Let’s be honest with ourselves, they would not be playing here otherwise. They are the types of players you throw onto a roster to round it out. Not guys who are multiyear starters, playing a ton of minutes.
The FBI stuff is over, maybe we’ll turn the corner in recruiting now. Peterson is the REAL DEAL. Him and Flory together could be special. You find a few Zeke Mayos to throw around them and we could have a special team. You lose either of those guys and…uh…we might need to have a serious conversation about Self. I genuinely don’t know. We will see.
-
@MoonwalkMafia pretty much exactly how I feel but you are much better at putting it to words. I’m sadly wondering if the Golden age of KU hoops from 1984 to 2022 is done. Will we ever be like that again?
-
Here’s the thing…he never tried to recruit over KJ and Dajuan. That’s what puzzling to me and a result of him being stubborn.
-
@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:
Here’s the thing…he never tried to recruit over KJ and Dajuan. That’s what puzzling to me and a result of him being stubborn.
This is an objectively false statement. At PG, Self has brought in Bobby Pettiford, Jalen Coleman-Lands, Remy Martin, and Elmarko Jackson.
At forward, Zach Clemence was in the same class as KJ. Others expected to take minutes from KJ were Ernest Udeh, Zuby Ejiofor.
Obviously, none of those options worked out except for Remy for the last few games, but to say Self never attempted to upgrade those positions is just flat out wrong.
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Ute came to the right place:
@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:
Here’s the thing…he never tried to recruit over KJ and Dajuan. That’s what puzzling to me and a result of him being stubborn.
This is an objectively false statement. At PG, Self has brought in Bobby Pettiford, Jalen Coleman-Lands, Remy Martin, and Elmarko Jackson.
At forward, Zach Clemence was in the same class as KJ. Others expected to take minutes from KJ were Ernest Udeh, Zuby Ejiofor.
Obviously, none of those options worked out except for Remy for the last few games, but to say Self never attempted to upgrade those positions is just flat out wrong.
This is untrue imo. Pettiford wasn’t ever a threat to take minutes from him. JCL is more of a two guard than anything. Remy…no need to go into that situation but we had an actual nba player coming off the bench for a minute due to Self not benching Harris. Elmarko played the two as well as Arterio Morris even though they were evaluated as point guards. They played as secondary ball handlers cause God forbid anyone actually gets to be the primary handler when Dajuan is on the team.
Clemence came in the same class. Zuby and Udeh are 5’s which theoretically KJ is but he complained about playing the 5. So we moved him to the 4 and have yet to try to upgrade. We passed on getting Harrison Ingram who ended up being a NBA player due to KJ.
-
@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Ute came to the right place:
@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:
Here’s the thing…he never tried to recruit over KJ and Dajuan. That’s what puzzling to me and a result of him being stubborn.
This is an objectively false statement. At PG, Self has brought in Bobby Pettiford, Jalen Coleman-Lands, Remy Martin, and Elmarko Jackson.
At forward, Zach Clemence was in the same class as KJ. Others expected to take minutes from KJ were Ernest Udeh, Zuby Ejiofor.
Obviously, none of those options worked out except for Remy for the last few games, but to say Self never attempted to upgrade those positions is just flat out wrong.
This is untrue imo. Pettiford wasn’t ever a threat to take minutes from him. JCL is more of a two guard than anything. Remy…no need to go into that situation but we had an actual nba player coming off the bench for a minute due to Self not benching Harris. Elmarko played the two as well as Arterio Morris even though they were evaluated as point guards. They played as secondary ball handlers cause God forbid anyone actually gets to be the primary handler when Dajuan is on the team.
Clemence came in the same class. Zuby and Udeh are 5’s which theoretically KJ is but he complained about playing the 5. So we moved him to the 4 and have yet to try to upgrade. We passed on getting Harrison Ingram who ended up being a NBA player due to KJ.
Hindsight is easy to claim Self didn’t attempt to because those players didn’t pan out as hoped for. It still doesn’t change that the reality was that Self and staff did attempt to recruit over Harris and Adams.
When Self brought in Pettiford, JCL, and Remy, all in the same class, the expectation was never that Dejuan Harris would be the long term starting PG because he was not a starter at that point. Marcus Garrett was the starting PG during Dejuan’s 1st season playing with Dejuan coming off the bench that year.
The plan the following year was that Remy starts, then Pettiford would take over the following year. Self absolutely recruited that class with the expectation of Pettiford winning that job long term. Also, notice that I did not bring up Aterio Morris because he wasn’t brought in to be a lead guard. Elmarko Jackson was and was forced to move off ball because of Morris being kicked off the team. Jackson was absolutely expected to start as a back up and push Dejuan for minutes as the season went on.
With KJ, Clemence was always the bigger name in the class and expected to take those minutes. KJ played 5 minutes per game as a freshman. He was not guaranteed to start the following year. That happened because Udeh and Ejiofor weren’t good enough to take those minutes. And no, Zuby was not projected to be a 5 long term, he was projected as a 4 long term. That’s the spot he’s playing now at St. John’s. Hunter Dickinson coming in and running those two off changed the outlook of KU that season because there was a lot of talk of KJ also leaving because of Hunter.
So again, just because the players didn’t pan out as expected, that doesn’t change that Self didn’t make efforts early on. Later on, there’s politics involved in recruiting that play into situations like recruiting over multi year starters. For better or worse, the optics of recruiting over guys like Harris and Adams later on would have a negative impact on Self’s reputation among recruits, especially multi year prospects.
There’s absolutely a balancing act involved and too many people here don’t understand how important that aspect of the job is.
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 Your objection is objectively false as I’ve proven
D2 started every game NEXT to Remy. Everyone thinks remy started for d2 but that never happened until remy got nicked up
Bill was always starting d2 because he said he’s the John Stockton of pure pg’s. He NEVER recruited guys over him just guys to play next to him or spot him minutes
Identical with Kj as proven by @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk how we were out on stud 4 guys because they knew coach loves Kj
-
Who did he recruit to take the ball out of Dajuan’s hands and not play alongside him?
I’ll be waiting cause it never happened.
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 geez revisionist history
D2 was recruited over by arterio lol heck no. It was d2 with Morris starting at the 2 guard per Puerto Rico and everyone who follows the hawks knows this
You must not see bills loyalty to d2 but he 100% had the keys from 2022 on
https://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2021/jan/06/redshirt-freshman-dajuan-harris-shines-i/
-
@kuballin10 said in Ute came to the right place:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Your objection is objectively false as I’ve proven
D2 started every game NEXT to Remy. Everyone thinks remy started for d2 but that never happened until remy got nicked up
Bill was always starting d2 because he said he’s the John Stockton of pure pg’s. He NEVER recruited guys over him just guys to play next to him or spot him minutes
Identical with Kj as proven by @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk how we were out on stud 4 guys because they knew coach loves Kj
If you remember the Michigan State game the year we won the title. The lineup was Dajuan/Remy/Ochai/CB/Big Dave. Jalen came off the bench. Now that could’ve been because of his dui or incident but Jalen didn’t start if I recall until Remy got hurt.
He has never tried to take the ball out of Dajuan’s hands. It is a blatant lie to say he did. He recruited guys to compliment him but never tried to upgrade
-
@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:
Who did he recruit to take the ball out of Dajuan’s hands and not play alongside him?
I’ll be waiting cause it never happened.
I already laid it out for you and have pretty explicitly said multiple times that obviously that vision didn’t work out as anticipated. You choosing to not accept that was the vision at the time doesn’t change that was the vision at the time.
So tell me, after the 2020-21 season with Marcus Garrett as the starting PG, how many people were projecting Dejuan Harris to win the starting PG job long term with a 2021 class that included Remy Martin, Bobby Pettiford, JCL, and Joe Yesufu? Did Self bring all those players in that class because he thought Dejuan Harris was going end up being a 4 year starter? You don’t bring that many potential short and long term answers in because you think the answer is ready on the roster.
I’m done responding to you on this, I’ve answered your question multiple times, you choose whether you want to accept that answer or keep using hindsight, but I’m done addressing it.
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Ute came to the right place:
@TYOHawk said in Ute came to the right place:
Who did he recruit to take the ball out of Dajuan’s hands and not play alongside him?
I’ll be waiting cause it never happened.
I already laid it out for you and have pretty explicitly said multiple times that obviously that vision didn’t work out as anticipated. You choosing to not accept that was the vision at the time doesn’t change that was the vision at the time.
So tell me, after the 2020-21 season with Marcus Garrett as the starting PG, how many people were projecting Dejuan Harris to win the starting PG job long term with a 2021 class that included Remy Martin, Bobby Pettiford, JCL, and Joe Yesufu? Did Self bring all those players in that class because he thought Dejuan Harris was going end up being a 4 year starter? You don’t bring that many potential short and long term answers in because you think the answer is ready on the roster.
I’m done responding to you on this, I’ve answered your question multiple times, you choose whether you want to accept that answer or keep using hindsight, but I’m done addressing it.
You can’t address it because you’re wrong like me and Kubballin have told you. Since 22 Self has never tried to recruit over Dajuan. He has recruited guys to play alongside him. Morris, JCL, Remy, Elmarko have all played the two while DaJuan has ran point. Even now when Diggy and Shak are in with Dajuan he is running point.
-
@TYOHawk It’s been addressed. You’re just choosing to ignore/not accept that plans don’t always work out as anticipated. Have a nice day.
-
Two of the most laughable things I’ve ever read in my life as a KU fan are in this thread. First one- KJ Adam’s kicked ass last night… 26 minutes, 4 points, 3 rebounds and 3 assists. Second one- Jalen Coleman Lands was a Point Guard or recruited here to be one. I literally spit out My drink at that one!!
-
@TYOHawk spot on my friend, Remy was a renta player that wasn’t quite good enough to make the NBA for 1 year not sure how in the hell that could be labeled as Juan’s replacement with Juan being a Sophomore at the time and as I put above JCL was never a point guard by any stretch of imagination.
-
@kjayhawks said in Ute came to the right place:
@TYOHawk spot on my friend, Remy was a renta player that wasn’t quite good enough to make the NBA for 1 year not sure how in the hell that could be labeled as Juan’s replacement with Juan being a Sophomore at the time and as I put above JCL was never a point guard by any stretch of imagination.
Coach allowed his loyalty to burn him with those two. It is what it is. I’m not a big Dajuan or KJ guy. But one of the truly sad parts of this is I genuinely believe him and KJ give all they have…but they don’t have the talent to be built around. It’s frustrating.
But next year is a fresh slate…hopefully it reignites the fire in Coach.
-
@TYOHawk yes very true statement IMO self set KJ up to fail. He would be a fan favorite just like Lightfoot if Self had put him in the role. Both are good guys and no ill will towards personally they just aren’t great players at this level.
-
Agree. It makes me sad that I am conflicted about KJ and Dajuan. Kids we should root for without an astericks.
-
@kjayhawks I’ll cut @Texas-Hawk-10 a ton of slack on jcl statement. He goes back and forth with us on here and has some knowledge about the game.
I enjoy the jousting even if he’s told me I’m a dumb mfer lol
I want Self gone this off-season which people are shocked by. But seeing Liam McNeely and Philon get legit run and play well - they would not do that here. Even if they got run they wouldn’t score say the 38 like Liam had the other night. Self would lose his mind and it’s like he never lets players do that. It’s honesty really odd the more I dive into his philosophy along with how he’s won consistently but struggled to reach the mountaintop with top rosters
Self and his system are toast. He isn’t getting 3-4 year guys to stick around and if that’s what he needs to run his perfect little system than it’s outdated and a bad system. Explains the upsets and playing down to our comp in March.
-
@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:
Agree. It makes me sad that I am conflicted about KJ and Dajuan. Kids we should root for without an astericks.
Great kids zero doubt just not starter level KU players
Self never intended to recruit over them and he flat out didn’t. He brought in other players but never guys we knew would take their starting jobs.
It’s been multiple off seasons of “1 and 4 are locked in”. You don’t think recruits and transfers know that - well shoot I have an beachfront property in Kansas to sell ya!
Bill tallied his horses to miniature ponies that he thinks are Clydesdales. He’s too arrogant to about face and hes too sawwfft to do anything about it now.
Next year will be diggy and dp……he loves a good undersized guard who can’t guard or attack the paint - just float around the 3 point line with “energy”
-
@kuballin10
Philon would never got double digits minutes playing for HOF BS. It’s certainly a big loss.
-
https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/bill-self-rips-team-himself-after-kansas-brutal-loss-to-utah: ^Self didn’t just direct his criticism at the players—he called out the entire program for its inability to rise to the challenge.^
Q: what does he mean by including the entire program here? NIL? recruiting weak-arse guys?
^“I’m tired of regrouping,” Self said. “We don’t need to regroup. We need to be men as an entire organization and do what our job is to do—accept responsibility for everybody when we don’t do it well. We didn’t do it well at all tonight.”^
Q: again, the entire organization… - obviously his staff needs awakening or getting fired… aside from players need to box out more, etc… etc… and of course coaching sucks.
-
@jay4ever Good stuff
Self doesn’t need a complete retool philosophically but he needs to adjust heavily
Don’t give up easy baskets and get them makes sense but today I’d rather have a guarded guy go 1 v 1 in the pain than let a dude chuck a wide open 3
The goal in today’s game is to run guys off the line and have them take a bunch of mid range jumpers. Defensively that’s what you want to have happen but we are the opposite as our rotations are such that we don’t recover quick enough and give up open 3
That paired with how we space and move the ball offensively is just brutal. There’s a reason guys come here and their free throw attempts per game plummet because the system has no spacing.
Throw it inside to “open up the 3” doesn’t work anymore because coaches fake double and recover or just let their big guard 1 v 1 and are okay giving up 20 points to Hunter. Granted he misses a ton of bunnies just like kj and a lotta of guys because guys are athletic and guard them straight up wel
Distance to the basket doesn’t always equal better - Self gotta grasp that
-
@jay4ever I think this is also him taking some responsibility for the situation. He is the head of the organization. He’s calling himself out. But I do think he still has hope that these guys will figure out a way to motivate themselves. He CANT do it for them.
-
@benshawks08 The issue is more-so how he reacts to guys differently based on in game mistakes. That’s caused the serious division on this team.
Rylen and Storr have had some good moments and plenty of awful ones but getting the quick hook to watch the big 3 continually screw up and get dominated creates dissension.
This is all Self inflicted and he used to be able to get away with it via the seniority card but now when seniored guys transfer in who produces well elsewhere and he treats them different it creates exactly what you’ve seen play out.
Guys are pi$$ed and tired of the bs from bs. Treating three guys like they walk on water when in reality they are getting blown out while then defending those three is bad.
I’d be hard pressed not to tell the coach to take a hike as well because he clearly doesn’t have a clue how to handle the squad. He hasn’t gotten through to them but that’s because of his treatment starting early in the season.
Messing with starters, saying he messed up storr, saying storr and Rylan aren’t getting it - same old bs from bs except they were at other programs that recently are more successful than ours. This causes the basketball iq to say this old goat is off his rocker, sawft and we are playing black and white 1950’s ball - I’d be checked out as well after a few quick hooks in Nov/Dec
-
@approxinfinity said in Ute came to the right place:
Well. I wish i was within 100 miles of you @drgnslayr i would come hang out and talk about your sons game instead, positively of course
Wish we could post video here. I’d post some examples of fundamental basketball!
-
Bill’s lost it. Even his technical was weak and unconvincing at Utah. He doesn’t have fire behind his eyes anymore.
I’ll be shocked if he goes another year. Shocked.
The question is… does he stay and mentor a replacement?
-
@kuballin10 Come on… Yes, there are issues, but putting it all on the handling of Storr and Griffen? While Alabama has definitely been better the past three years (remember they lost 12 games last year), Wisconsin has not - they went 22-14 last year. Storr led them in scoring, but was high usage and very inefficient - 43% from the field, 32% from 3, 4 rebounds and one assist per game. Doesn’t defend. He had no shot as a 3 and D in the NBA unless he improved his shooting and more importantly, defense, which is why he came to KU. It appears that he is what he has been, doesn’t have the requisite BBall IQ, or is just unwilling to do what is necessary to become a better player. He was a recruiting mistake much more than a usage one…Griffen is basically a one-dimensional player - a good spot up shooter - who fit well with the other pieces around him at Alabama. Not so much here - Harris isn’t Sears in penetrating and creating opportunities for shooters…
I agree that HCBS has always shown a quicker hook for some players and not others who seemingly make the same mistakes, but in this case, the problem is more a roster construction one than usage…
-
I hope your wrong about the end for Bill. Just don’t see him walking away from a down year and bringing in Peterson. He will set the program back further if he leaves now and Peterson bolts, which would happen 100%.
I hear the other side of this argument but I can’t imagine Bill isn’t giving his best efforts and I have no doubts he would hang it up if he didn’t have that desire
-
@DCHawker Storr is a black hole- -he gets the ball 85 % of the time it’s not coming back.-- Like the other night , he hits his first shot , very next time down the floor one pass goes to Storr and surprise jacks up another three - -terrible shot.-- He has no desire to play defense , he rivals Dickinson if not worse on the defensive end.- -His shot volume is unreal. Like has been said multiple times hee there is a reason why he has been to so many Schools.
There is a reason he didn’t end up Declaring for the NBA this past year- got to many deficiencies , he won’t play NBA-- he might make some money over seas but for sure he isn’t cutting it in the NBA.
Griffen is better but still has problems just dribbling the ball down the floor without dribbling it off his leg or trying to drive between two/three opposition- - -no matter what some that are obsessed about Firing Bill THIS is far from being all his fault.
-
@DCHawker putting it all on those 2 guys? Heck no - I listed 5 when you count how he handled the big 3……
This is well past two players but it’s shown how those guys were successful elsewhere and they come here and struggle
That’s because of Self and his bad system/philosophy
-
@BeddieKU23 Bill with DP thinks next year is his year
Book it
Won’t win the big 12
Lose in the sweet 16 to a higher seed
He will have diggy eating minutes and DP throwing it into the post to “run the offense” his way
His brand of basketball has always been unappealing. Roy never won titles but boy were his teams fun to watch.
The 2008/2022 teams almost collapsed multiple times in the tournament to severely lesser teams because of how Bill likes to limit possessions and win rock fights.
It is the exact opposite of what you do if you had his kind of talent. It’d be like Ohio state wanting to slow it down and limit possessions on Notre dame - that’s what Norte dame would have wanted to give them a better chance - shorten the game
-
@kuballin10 would you rather Bill be gone instead of one more year, if it means we lose Flory and Dp?
-
@drgnslayr said in Ute came to the right place:
Bill’s lost it. Even his technical was weak and unconvincing at Utah. He doesn’t have fire behind his eyes anymore.
I’ll be shocked if he goes another year. Shocked.
The question is… does he stay and mentor a replacement?
He hasn’t lost it, he’s just over this team and this group. This was his response about KU getting off to slow starts and he pretty much threw the team under the bus for their lack of motivation and effort.
“I think you should probably ask the players that. The first possession they score off a simple ball screen, and we’re in a certain coverage. And guys were surprised were surprised we were in it and we’ve only been talking about it for, you know, 24-48 hours. So that’s frustrating. I don’t know exactly what that answer is coming out of a half time different or starting a game differently. I really don’t know what the answer is on that, because it seems to me to start any athletic contest both teams are usually pretty geeked up and on point. Even though you don’t always play well, but usually the mistakes that you make aren’t because you aren’t aware of that. ‘This is how we’re going to try to guard.’”
Most of y’all know I coach at my middle school. I coach football, basketball and soccer there. Every year at the beginning of the first basketball and soccer practices, I ask my team why they’re out there to play (I’m head coach of those sports, not football though). Are they out there for fun or to try and win a district championship? I then explain the differences in how I will coach them depending on what they want their experience to be. After they inevitably choose to go for a district championship, I then explain to them what goes into winning a district championship and if they’re ready to make those sacrifices. Most teams ended up putting forth their best effort to reach that goal and some were successful, some weren’t, but they were better teams and players by end of that season. It’s been a successful strategy with several basketball championships and rebuilt our school’s soccer program from the worst in the district when I took over to a championship team last season.
-
@kuballin10 Almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades
-
@approxinfinity aghhh that’s a tough one
If it is true Oats wants to come here I don’t think we lose DP and Flory. I think Adidas steps up so with or without Bill I don’t think it matters.
Now to play the game if the options are Oats and transfers but lose DP and Flory or have Bill and those 2 - I want DP more than Oats so can wait 1 more year lol
Bills gonna butcher it and mess something up about that squad and we won’t run anywhere close to like we should. Good chance the 1 and 4 are young, unproven and will tick Bill off with their play and he will defer to more senior’d guys who are in the right positions (can’t make the plays but hey they are at least standing on the court where he wants them) but limit the March ceiling
My confidence in Bill is below zero much like the current roster
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 Setting the expectation upfront….you gotta be in sales too lol
What’s the goal - why are we doing this - make the client/kids tell you and then tailor what you do from there
Genius
-
@SlimShaddy54 true dat! Wish we almost had L’s and instead were racking up Dubs!
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Ute came to the right place:
@drgnslayr said in Ute came to the right place:
Bill’s lost it. Even his technical was weak and unconvincing at Utah. He doesn’t have fire behind his eyes anymore. I’ll be shocked if he goes another year. Shocked. The question is… does he stay and mentor a replacement?
“I think you should probably ask the players that. The first possession they score off a simple ball screen, and we’re in a certain coverage. And guys were surprised were surprised we were in it and we’ve only been talking about it for, you know, 24-48 hours. So that’s frustrating. I don’t know exactly what that answer is coming out of a half time different or starting a game differently. I really don’t know what the answer is on that, because it seems to me to start any athletic contest both teams are usually pretty geeked up and on point. Even though you don’t always play well, but usually the mistakes that you make aren’t because you aren’t aware of that. ‘This is how we’re going to try to guard.’”
Perfect example for why I said what I said.
He doesn’t have answers anymore. He has the most-senior team in America and they aren’t coachable?
You look at them out there and they are lost. It’s almost March. They didn’t look this lost in November.
I’ve been the biggest supporter of Bill Self going back to Day 1 at Kansas.
It’s time for him to ride off in the sunset.
-
@drgnslayr This is the issue with high dollar NIL deals for players who don’t have an NBA future. They don’t care because they got theirs. It happens in the pros a lot to when a player signs a huge contract and their production amd performance drops off a cliff.
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 one has to wonder exactly when these kids / man children lost the love for basketball, where that wouldnt be reason alone to give it their all.
-
Every team faces the same issue. It’s not a valid excuse when you compete against teams facing that same problem. The problem is he doesn’t know how to reach them, or teach them.
This is the oldest team in college basketball with the most experience. There is no excuse for playing this level of basketball.
-
Did ya ever notice how much nicer the posts are when KU is winning?
-
Slow dancing.
-
@drgnslayr said in Ute came to the right place:
Every team faces the same issue. It’s not a valid excuse when you compete against teams facing that same problem. The problem is he doesn’t know how to reach them, or teach them.
This is the oldest team in college basketball with the most experience. There is no excuse for playing this level of basketball.
How many schools have multiple players on 7 figure, or close to it, NIL deals where those players have zero chance of ever making the NBA? Name them.
-
So they get paid more than don’t perform? So you are saying our problems are solved by cutting off NIL money?
Does KJ and Juan make huge NIL money?
Your view of these guys isn’t positive at all. They came here to scam us, huh?
I don’t buy that for a second.
-
@drgnslayr There are players that don’t give a dam about the School - they don’t think about the history of the School , the tradition of the Schools. A lot of these players are fringe NBA at best, they make more money in College then they will in G league because that’s where they will end up , or over sea’s, so instead of declaring they come back, they KNOW they are getting bank NIL and that’s all that matters, their thinking is hey I’m making my money I could give a crap less about the game- - lets get this over with
KU has a couple of these guys right now, their focus is crap ---- their intensity is crap -their team concept is crap- - you could ask these guys about unity- -love of the game and they will look at you like what the f - - - are you talking about,-- They actually don’t give a dam - -you wanna pull me- - then pull me I’m still making my NIL- -so ya they do need to get rid of this dam NIL-- it’s ruining the College game
I myself don’t give a dam if other teams players are facing the same thing - - I’m worried about Ku players and only KU players and right now with the approach some players on this team has - - It would be fine if they just kicked their ass out of here, get guys that wanna play for the game , for the School screw the rest
