The Furph
-
@drgnslayr interesting thought. What if the nba draft / ncaa rules change to allowing the kid to stay at college a year after getting drafted rather than going to g league? Just retain the draft rights to them? Is this not allowed and a reason why this isnt a thing?
-
I like it!
-
@drgnslayr wouldnt teams often salivate at the idea of leaving guys to develop with Self, given how we finishes guys skillsets?
-
And in an environment where the fan base is totally supportive! We’ve embraced players like Kevin, Jalen Wilson, and Christian Braun!
-
@approxinfinity said in The Furph:
@drgnslayr except in poker your King cant blow out his knee and you wont accidentally expose your Ace.
If you play with the wrong people, someone else might blow out your knee, and your ass…I mean Ace…might never be seen again.
-
@approxinfinity baseball did it for a long time. The old draft and follow. But they got rid of it by pushing up the deadline to sign players. I imagine the union would want exactly zero part of it
-
I just wonder how many NBA busts from guys who left early, especially those who were good college players like Grady, made a mint, but never saw the court in the league would have traded in all that money for the opportunity to stay in school and be the BMOC? Economics determines some of that I’m aware, but how many have regrets?
I know some say once a Jayhawk always a Jayhawk. I understand that but that’s not for me. You got to earn that title for me. Good luck Grady, but you gave up the chance for a ring, which they’d probably be overwhelming favorites right now had he stayed. Enjoy your future career in Europe.
-
@wissox run-on sentence ahead - I love KU with all my heart, but if I was as marginal of a talent as Brady and had the option to make $21million guaranteed as opposed to 3 additional years of collegiate glory, I would not have to think too hard about it. It would take most households over 100 years to earn that. Brady didn’t have a choice in my opinion. I don’t think he’s an nba level talent and would have been exposed.
-
@wissox I’m with you on not caring/forgetting about most OADs that played for KU. The ones I liked get fuzzy even. It’s just so little of them you see it’s not deeply engrained enough in the gray matter I suppose. I have more memories of TJ Whatley’s mustache than I do of say Josh Selby.
-
Interesting perspective. You may be right. The entire time Grady was here the only thing I saw in his game that said NBA was his fluid shot release (and potential for accuracy). I remember watching many of Steph Curry’s college games. He was small and fairly weak… but he had a real high basketball IQ and great handles while in college. More than Grady had.
Time will tell on Grady.
Had we won a title with Grady this year and he was perhaps our top scorer… and banging down 40+% from trey… wouldn’t he have been a top 10 selection in the NBA draft?
I feel pretty much the same as you on OADs. I have enjoyed watching Wiggins and Embiid at the next level. I didn’t think either of those guys should have stayed at KU beyond one year.
I would have rather used the scholie we gave Gradey on a development player who would be mashing it now and giving us depth! Gradey didn’t even propel us in his one year here.
Still… not trying to trash Gradey. He didn’t come to KU with promises of more than a year and Self warned everyone early on that he would be gone.
-
So here we are… back to the all-time classic argument; are OADs worth recruiting?
Evidently, Duke and UK think so. I’ve watched several UK games this year and they might do some serious damage in March, especially if they clear another footer into the lineup.
Next year college basketball will all be about Duke. Cooper Flagg will give Duke more free PR than they could ever get anywhere else… even if they had won a Nattie! That kid better perform and Duke better bring home a title or the joke will be on them! Far more humiliating than when they bought Zion!
-
@drgnslayr said in The Furph:
Interesting perspective. You may be right. The entire time Grady was here the only thing I saw in his game that said NBA was his fluid shot release (and potential for accuracy). I remember watching many of Steph Curry’s college games. He was small and fairly weak… but he had a real high basketball IQ and great handles while in college. More than Grady had.
Time will tell on Grady.
Had we won a title with Grady this year and he was perhaps our top scorer… and banging down 40+% from trey… wouldn’t he have been a top 10 selection in the NBA draft?
I feel pretty much the same as you on OADs. I have enjoyed watching Wiggins and Embiid at the next level. I didn’t think either of those guys should have stayed at KU beyond one year.
I would have rather used the scholie we gave Gradey on a development player who would be mashing it now and giving us depth! Gradey didn’t even propel us in his one year here.
Still… not trying to trash Gradey. He didn’t come to KU with promises of more than a year and Self warned everyone early on that he would be gone.
I just can’t hold it against these guys for supposed OAD if they feel or been told/advised to enter then if they feel they got that chance, they got to follow their dreams – it’s a business for them just like it’s a job for ordinary people --can’t be a hater – hate the game. - -Thing is about JO , Jo he WANTED to come back, Coach Self pretty much told him no , you need to enter the draft, you can’t do anymore here – GO so he did
-
Look, Bill told Gradey to get out of Dodge. Unlike some (some dude named Roy), Bill tells lotto picks to go and if you don’t I’ll kick your ass out. He’s like a good parent in that way, they know when to say hey it’s time to leave home and make your own way. JoJo REALLY wanted to come back but Bill told him absolutely not you’re going to the league and there’s nothing you can do about it so make the best of it. There are others like Ben and Thomas who felt the same but also they NEEDED to go to provide for their families.
-
Yes he did!
When there is a guaranteed contract on the table, leaving is by far the safe bet.
One can also argue it’s the best path for future success in the league, too. When teams invest a fortune on these guys you can rest assured they are being coached up to the max.
I’m just a bit nostalgic and trying to squint my eyes and still see the possibility that college basketball isn’t 100% business… all the time.
-
What do we know about the Furphy family? If Furphy is predicted as a second rounder or G league, will he choose to leave to help his family?
-
@stoptheflop they just spent two weeks seeing America so I think they’re fine
-
I now think Furphy will start the rest of the way. I don’t see him getting supplanted unless there’s an injury.
-
Furphy has looked like a lottery pick since starting. I dont think he stays regardless of his parents financial state if he keeps this up.
-
@approxinfinity said in The Furph:
Furphy has looked like a lottery pick since starting. I dont think he stays regardless of his parents financial state if he keeps this up.
ya just thinking -not so sure Johnny is bck next year pretty solid - -15 again today and 6 rebounds-- been pretty consistent last 5 games now
-
I wouldn’t blame him if he is a lottery pick but like I always said about the NBA. They draft off of potential but do not give anyone time to develop that potential. Prime example is Gradey Dick I’ll bet anyone, any amount of money he never plays meaningful minutes after his 3 year rookie deal is up.
-
@kjayhawks he just had one of his best games as a pro like a week ago
-
@FarmerJayhawk he did and he has a high ceiling but one bad game and he’s back to the G league
-
@kjayhawks the Raptors are rebuilding. He’ll get minutes this year.
-
@FarmerJayhawk hasn’t he already been to the G league twice so far this season and it’s not even all star break yet?
-
@kjayhawks the Raptors have traded away their best two players over the last month.
-
@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@FarmerJayhawk hasn’t he already been to the G league twice so far this season and it’s not even all star break yet?
What exactly do you think the purpose of the G-League is? Would you rather the Raptors have Dick as a DNP-Coaches Decision, or have him playing in the G-League getting meaningful minutes and coaching from the Raptors staff? Going to the G-League as a rookie doesn’t have the stigma attached to it that it once did. The Phoenix Sun’s are the only team that doesn’t have a G-League affiliate at this point.
50% of NBA players this season have spent time in the G-League at some point. Pascal Siakim, Rudy Gobert, and Jordan Poole are among those who spent time in the G-League early on. Playing in the G-League isn’t the issue you think it is because it’s grown and developed to the point that it is a true development league that by the end of this season, the majority of the players in the NBA will have come through at some point.
-
@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe you guys know more about than me but I still don’t see players developing in the NBA. I see them overseas very quickly if they don’t have that 3 year contract.
-
@kjayhawks look at the entire Thunder roster
-
@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe you guys know more about than me but I still don’t see players developing in the NBA. I see them overseas very quickly if they don’t have that 3 year contract.
Dick was a lottery pick. Toronto is going to do everything they can to develop Dick into the best player he can be. This is why he’s spending time in the G-League because NBA teams have generally figured out how to use the G-League system now to develop players. He’s down to get game minutes to work on the holes in his game against game competition which right now is moving and playing without the basketball which was an issue for him at KU as well.
-
Siakam and Anunoby leaving were the key, and that was like 4 games ago @kjayhawks
-
@approxinfinity I didn’t realize they had traded away so many players so I’ll shut up lol. I just don’t have faith in the G
-
Let’s calm down on the furphy hype… he has a decent 3pt shot and he runs the floor well in transition for lay ups. But he’s got virtually no ability to create his own shot. He’s only getting some looks bc he’s not the focal point of the other team. He is a poor defender. He’s slow footed and he’s really weak. He gets offensive rebounds (flys In well for them) but defensive rebounds he loses to his guy a lot. He doesn’t box out well. The team is 3-2 since he started. He’s a fine prospect for a 3 and D guy down the road.
-
@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@approxinfinity I didn’t realize they had traded away so many players so I’ll shut up lol. I just don’t have faith in the G
The G-League today isn’t what it was 15 years ago. 29 of the 30 NBA teams have their own G-League affiliate now. Only Phoenix doesn’t have one now. That means that NBA franchises now are controlling the development of their young players by controlling who the coaching staffs are, who the training and support staffs are which means those G-League teams are developing the skills the NBA franchises want to see developed. Like I said earlier, 50% of the players on the NBA today have spent time in the G-League. By the end of the season, that number will be over 50%. At the end of last season, the number was at 55% of players that had spent time in the G-League. Those numbers will only continue to rise as older players retire that developed before going to the G-League was common.
-
@jayhawks2010 i appreciate this. Thanks for making me temper the hype a bit
-
@jayhawks2010 devil’s advocate, he’s a 6’-9" wing who has averaged some 16/7 over the last few games at over 40% from 3 and has shown high level cutting ability. NBA loves wing players and there are prospects taken in the 1st round every year putting up less number than that.
I’m not saying he’ll go, but if he continues at his current pace there will be a team willing to draft him in the 1st round. I think there would be a decent chance he stays though because he has top 5 pick potential going in the draft next year.
-
@jayballer67 Oh Lord, don’t start the Svi comparison again. I thought several of us were going to have to duke it out. lol
-
I think we all can agree that, for a pick up late in the offseason, he was a pretty vital addition.
As much as I wonder where would we be with Morris, I also wonder where would we be without Furphy.
-
I’m much happier with rooting for Furphy then I ever would have been for Morris.
-
@BeddieKU23 Did Morris transfer to Penn State or was it the State Pen?
-
@dylans working hard or hardly working?
-
From McDonald’s All American to Prison State legend
-
Where will furphy rank in terms of great freshman?
-
Rising by the game. tbd
-
@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
Where will furphy rank in terms of great freshman?
If he closes strong and leads us to another Nattie… I’d say he will rank at the very top!
-
I did a scientific analysis on today’s game and I have determined that Johnny Furphy is very good at basketball.
-
@Jayblaze I think we’re going to need another year of him in Lawrence to know for sure for sure
-
@FarmerJayhawk at the very least.
-
Kenpom that only includes games since Furphy started.
-
@BShark and that includes TWO games where the other team shot ridiculously well from 3 which a lot of evidence points to being more luck than anything else. (And one game where KU might have done the same…) [edit: checked the box score and we only made 6 threes??? Felt like a lot more]
-
Jeff Goodman from the field of 68 reported that for a long time KU needed that one more guy - -he said now KU has found that guy , also stating though if we could even fine one more to just give us even a little , he says he thinks without a doubt that KU’s starting five is probably the best in the Nation & can play with anybody-- if we can get anything - - anything at all out of our bench
