The Furph
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@drgnslayr said in The Furph:
So now we expect Furph to do this every game and he’ll get criticized when he doesn’t make the snuff! lol
I’m hopeful we’ll see a lot more games like last night from “The Furph” this year, and feel positive that we will. OSU showed off our entire team by not showing up… but still… we typically go down to Stillwater and play poorly. Not the case last night!
Furph definitely looks like our best fifth option… the team flows best with him out there. Without question!
Oh you know he will get criticized , it’s the nature of the beast here lol. - -It will be all roses and candy when he does like he did last night BUT when he has a off night , some turnovers , gets beat on the on the defensive end, makes a couple of silly fouls , we will have a couple that I know of here that will be on him like White on Rice - -It will be Johnny get your gun lol. -I think he is gonna be good for us still reminds me of a young SVI
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@drgnslayr said in The Furph:
So now we expect Furph to do this every game and he’ll get criticized when he doesn’t make the snuff! lol
I’m hopeful we’ll see a lot more games like last night from “The Furph” this year, and feel positive that we will. OSU showed off our entire team by not showing up… but still… we typically go down to Stillwater and play poorly. Not the case last night!
Furph definitely looks like our best fifth option… the team flows best with him out there. Without question!
I’m upset he was unable to duplicate his first half performance in the second. Bench him.
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From The Athletic:
Furphy had 15 points (which ties his season-high) on 5-of-6 shooting, three made 3s, seven rebounds, two assists, two blocks, and no turnovers against the Cowboys. KenPom even gave him the game MVP designation for that performance. Two games is a small sample size, but is Furphy the fifth starter Kansas has been waiting on? It’s too early to say, but something here smells intriguing. Per CBB Analytics, the lineup Self started the last two games — despite only playing 92 minutes this season — is Kansas’ most efficient (amongst lineups that have played at least 10 minutes) by a significant margin. — Marks
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He is a freshman and missed some time, so he will have ups and downs. But, he has a good stroke, size, goes after rebounds, is better for spacing, and has a high bball IQ.
In another thread, I said if he was playing 20-25 minutes, he would be a 10 and 5 guy. I’m going to adjust that. It will be a bit match up dependent, but he should generally be getting 30 minutes a game from here on out. And, not all at the 2. He should be able to take Kev and KJ breather minutes, as well. If so, I think he can be a fairly consistent double digit scorer - similar to KJ - and 5-7 RBs per game.
EJ should be getting mostly Juan sub minutes. Just doesn’t work well to have 2 guys who don’t look to score on the floor together for any period of time. Puts more pressure on the other 3 and allows the defense to sag.
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I think, not 100% sure, he gets tired in 2nd half, conditioning issue. Once his strength and conditioning improve, he will have better performance in second half.
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Yeah I think your right. He didn’t have an off-season at KU and then was limited to begin the season with shin splints. He seems to be finding ways to overcome all the obstacles thrown his way. Future pro
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Furph is a Flying Fox, biggest bat in Oz, Aussie Batman.
Hes actually from French Lick Indiana and is a total hick. Furphy’s a made up name.
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I’m thinking you are being sarcastic here… but there is something to this.
Might he be gassed going into the second half? I’m fine with getting 20 good minutes out of the Furph per game. Also… since he’s an unknown in the B12, he is probably starting to earn some respect and emphasis in scouting.
And for those who are thinking he will run off to the NBA after this year… or even next year… here is a good read on Gradey Dick’s first year in the NBA.
Imagine had he stayed in Lawrence. Imagine the piece he would have provided for us while taking his time developing his body (part of it is to just build on his age). He would have left Lawrence a legacy player with status and could have had a much easier transition into the next level, without having to dig himself out of a tough situation.
I still stand by my comments that Dick should have stayed!
https://raptorsrapture.com/posts/concerned-raptors-gradey-continues-struggle
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@drgnslayr Gradey Dick signed a 4 year / $21,422,551 contract with the Toronto Raptors, including $21,422,551 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $5,355,638.
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Plus I have seen him in ridiculous commercials when I set my VPN to Canada. Kid is making bank.
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Yep. And now they seem concerned he could be a bust. The game is more than about money, and sometimes, like poker, you hold onto a hand and not bet the pot early.
I hope Gradey makes it, and I think, to some level, he will. I just wonder what would have happened if he didn’t race to make money.
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@drgnslayr except in poker your King cant blow out his knee and you wont accidentally expose your Ace.
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Yep… good counter point!
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Does he stand at a higher chance of injury playing in a league above his physicality over college ball, which is more at his physical level? He wasn’t even physical enough at Kansas.
It seems like an obvious answer to this, but I’m not sure. Toronto has a lot invested in young Gradey and he has access to the very best in sports medicine.
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@drgnslayr interesting thought. What if the nba draft / ncaa rules change to allowing the kid to stay at college a year after getting drafted rather than going to g league? Just retain the draft rights to them? Is this not allowed and a reason why this isnt a thing?
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I like it!
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@drgnslayr wouldnt teams often salivate at the idea of leaving guys to develop with Self, given how we finishes guys skillsets?
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And in an environment where the fan base is totally supportive! We’ve embraced players like Kevin, Jalen Wilson, and Christian Braun!
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@approxinfinity said in The Furph:
@drgnslayr except in poker your King cant blow out his knee and you wont accidentally expose your Ace.
If you play with the wrong people, someone else might blow out your knee, and your ass…I mean Ace…might never be seen again.
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@approxinfinity baseball did it for a long time. The old draft and follow. But they got rid of it by pushing up the deadline to sign players. I imagine the union would want exactly zero part of it
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I just wonder how many NBA busts from guys who left early, especially those who were good college players like Grady, made a mint, but never saw the court in the league would have traded in all that money for the opportunity to stay in school and be the BMOC? Economics determines some of that I’m aware, but how many have regrets?
I know some say once a Jayhawk always a Jayhawk. I understand that but that’s not for me. You got to earn that title for me. Good luck Grady, but you gave up the chance for a ring, which they’d probably be overwhelming favorites right now had he stayed. Enjoy your future career in Europe.
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@wissox run-on sentence ahead - I love KU with all my heart, but if I was as marginal of a talent as Brady and had the option to make $21million guaranteed as opposed to 3 additional years of collegiate glory, I would not have to think too hard about it. It would take most households over 100 years to earn that. Brady didn’t have a choice in my opinion. I don’t think he’s an nba level talent and would have been exposed.
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@wissox I’m with you on not caring/forgetting about most OADs that played for KU. The ones I liked get fuzzy even. It’s just so little of them you see it’s not deeply engrained enough in the gray matter I suppose. I have more memories of TJ Whatley’s mustache than I do of say Josh Selby.
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Interesting perspective. You may be right. The entire time Grady was here the only thing I saw in his game that said NBA was his fluid shot release (and potential for accuracy). I remember watching many of Steph Curry’s college games. He was small and fairly weak… but he had a real high basketball IQ and great handles while in college. More than Grady had.
Time will tell on Grady.
Had we won a title with Grady this year and he was perhaps our top scorer… and banging down 40+% from trey… wouldn’t he have been a top 10 selection in the NBA draft?
I feel pretty much the same as you on OADs. I have enjoyed watching Wiggins and Embiid at the next level. I didn’t think either of those guys should have stayed at KU beyond one year.
I would have rather used the scholie we gave Gradey on a development player who would be mashing it now and giving us depth! Gradey didn’t even propel us in his one year here.
Still… not trying to trash Gradey. He didn’t come to KU with promises of more than a year and Self warned everyone early on that he would be gone.
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So here we are… back to the all-time classic argument; are OADs worth recruiting?
Evidently, Duke and UK think so. I’ve watched several UK games this year and they might do some serious damage in March, especially if they clear another footer into the lineup.
Next year college basketball will all be about Duke. Cooper Flagg will give Duke more free PR than they could ever get anywhere else… even if they had won a Nattie! That kid better perform and Duke better bring home a title or the joke will be on them! Far more humiliating than when they bought Zion!
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@drgnslayr said in The Furph:
Interesting perspective. You may be right. The entire time Grady was here the only thing I saw in his game that said NBA was his fluid shot release (and potential for accuracy). I remember watching many of Steph Curry’s college games. He was small and fairly weak… but he had a real high basketball IQ and great handles while in college. More than Grady had.
Time will tell on Grady.
Had we won a title with Grady this year and he was perhaps our top scorer… and banging down 40+% from trey… wouldn’t he have been a top 10 selection in the NBA draft?
I feel pretty much the same as you on OADs. I have enjoyed watching Wiggins and Embiid at the next level. I didn’t think either of those guys should have stayed at KU beyond one year.
I would have rather used the scholie we gave Gradey on a development player who would be mashing it now and giving us depth! Gradey didn’t even propel us in his one year here.
Still… not trying to trash Gradey. He didn’t come to KU with promises of more than a year and Self warned everyone early on that he would be gone.
I just can’t hold it against these guys for supposed OAD if they feel or been told/advised to enter then if they feel they got that chance, they got to follow their dreams – it’s a business for them just like it’s a job for ordinary people --can’t be a hater – hate the game. - -Thing is about JO , Jo he WANTED to come back, Coach Self pretty much told him no , you need to enter the draft, you can’t do anymore here – GO so he did
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Look, Bill told Gradey to get out of Dodge. Unlike some (some dude named Roy), Bill tells lotto picks to go and if you don’t I’ll kick your ass out. He’s like a good parent in that way, they know when to say hey it’s time to leave home and make your own way. JoJo REALLY wanted to come back but Bill told him absolutely not you’re going to the league and there’s nothing you can do about it so make the best of it. There are others like Ben and Thomas who felt the same but also they NEEDED to go to provide for their families.
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Yes he did!
When there is a guaranteed contract on the table, leaving is by far the safe bet.
One can also argue it’s the best path for future success in the league, too. When teams invest a fortune on these guys you can rest assured they are being coached up to the max.
I’m just a bit nostalgic and trying to squint my eyes and still see the possibility that college basketball isn’t 100% business… all the time.
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What do we know about the Furphy family? If Furphy is predicted as a second rounder or G league, will he choose to leave to help his family?
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@stoptheflop they just spent two weeks seeing America so I think they’re fine
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I now think Furphy will start the rest of the way. I don’t see him getting supplanted unless there’s an injury.
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Furphy has looked like a lottery pick since starting. I dont think he stays regardless of his parents financial state if he keeps this up.
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@approxinfinity said in The Furph:
Furphy has looked like a lottery pick since starting. I dont think he stays regardless of his parents financial state if he keeps this up.
ya just thinking -not so sure Johnny is bck next year pretty solid - -15 again today and 6 rebounds-- been pretty consistent last 5 games now
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I wouldn’t blame him if he is a lottery pick but like I always said about the NBA. They draft off of potential but do not give anyone time to develop that potential. Prime example is Gradey Dick I’ll bet anyone, any amount of money he never plays meaningful minutes after his 3 year rookie deal is up.
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@kjayhawks he just had one of his best games as a pro like a week ago
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@FarmerJayhawk he did and he has a high ceiling but one bad game and he’s back to the G league
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@kjayhawks the Raptors are rebuilding. He’ll get minutes this year.
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@FarmerJayhawk hasn’t he already been to the G league twice so far this season and it’s not even all star break yet?
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@kjayhawks the Raptors have traded away their best two players over the last month.
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@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@FarmerJayhawk hasn’t he already been to the G league twice so far this season and it’s not even all star break yet?
What exactly do you think the purpose of the G-League is? Would you rather the Raptors have Dick as a DNP-Coaches Decision, or have him playing in the G-League getting meaningful minutes and coaching from the Raptors staff? Going to the G-League as a rookie doesn’t have the stigma attached to it that it once did. The Phoenix Sun’s are the only team that doesn’t have a G-League affiliate at this point.
50% of NBA players this season have spent time in the G-League at some point. Pascal Siakim, Rudy Gobert, and Jordan Poole are among those who spent time in the G-League early on. Playing in the G-League isn’t the issue you think it is because it’s grown and developed to the point that it is a true development league that by the end of this season, the majority of the players in the NBA will have come through at some point.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe you guys know more about than me but I still don’t see players developing in the NBA. I see them overseas very quickly if they don’t have that 3 year contract.
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@kjayhawks look at the entire Thunder roster
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@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe you guys know more about than me but I still don’t see players developing in the NBA. I see them overseas very quickly if they don’t have that 3 year contract.
Dick was a lottery pick. Toronto is going to do everything they can to develop Dick into the best player he can be. This is why he’s spending time in the G-League because NBA teams have generally figured out how to use the G-League system now to develop players. He’s down to get game minutes to work on the holes in his game against game competition which right now is moving and playing without the basketball which was an issue for him at KU as well.
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Siakam and Anunoby leaving were the key, and that was like 4 games ago @kjayhawks
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@approxinfinity I didn’t realize they had traded away so many players so I’ll shut up lol. I just don’t have faith in the G
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Let’s calm down on the furphy hype… he has a decent 3pt shot and he runs the floor well in transition for lay ups. But he’s got virtually no ability to create his own shot. He’s only getting some looks bc he’s not the focal point of the other team. He is a poor defender. He’s slow footed and he’s really weak. He gets offensive rebounds (flys In well for them) but defensive rebounds he loses to his guy a lot. He doesn’t box out well. The team is 3-2 since he started. He’s a fine prospect for a 3 and D guy down the road.
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@kjayhawks said in The Furph:
@approxinfinity I didn’t realize they had traded away so many players so I’ll shut up lol. I just don’t have faith in the G
The G-League today isn’t what it was 15 years ago. 29 of the 30 NBA teams have their own G-League affiliate now. Only Phoenix doesn’t have one now. That means that NBA franchises now are controlling the development of their young players by controlling who the coaching staffs are, who the training and support staffs are which means those G-League teams are developing the skills the NBA franchises want to see developed. Like I said earlier, 50% of the players on the NBA today have spent time in the G-League. By the end of the season, that number will be over 50%. At the end of last season, the number was at 55% of players that had spent time in the G-League. Those numbers will only continue to rise as older players retire that developed before going to the G-League was common.
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@jayhawks2010 i appreciate this. Thanks for making me temper the hype a bit
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@jayhawks2010 devil’s advocate, he’s a 6’-9" wing who has averaged some 16/7 over the last few games at over 40% from 3 and has shown high level cutting ability. NBA loves wing players and there are prospects taken in the 1st round every year putting up less number than that.
I’m not saying he’ll go, but if he continues at his current pace there will be a team willing to draft him in the 1st round. I think there would be a decent chance he stays though because he has top 5 pick potential going in the draft next year.
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@jayballer67 Oh Lord, don’t start the Svi comparison again. I thought several of us were going to have to duke it out. lol
