Big 12 Expansion
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I would favor something like what happened with the Big 12 1.0. The Southwest Conference and Big 8 folded and formed the Big 12.
I’ll be honest, I do not give a flying monkey’s arse about BYU, University of Florida - Orlando (Online), or “baby vomit over spaghetti” Cincinnati. I don’t like those cities for road trips and they don’t add much to the competitiveness of the league in terms of economic value.
I also don’t really care about Wazzu or Oregon State. Pullman is more or less in Idaho and Corvallis allegedly is a real city, but I haven’t confirmed that.
So, let’s take the best of the rest and build a legit power league. Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Utah, and the Arizonas are a good start out west. KU, ISU, Tech, OSU, Houston, and maybe another Texas school works. If you can get UW and Oregon that’s even better. All the sudden you have a really good league.
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Doesn’t CA have a prohibition against their state supported schools (UC system) playing schools where politics conflict? I think Kansas, Oklahoma, maybe Nebraska conflict. I dunno about other Big 10 schools.
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@Gorilla72 said in Big 12 Expansion:
Doesn’t CA have a prohibition against their state supported schools (UC system) playing schools where politics conflict? I think Kansas, Oklahoma, maybe Nebraska conflict. I dunno about other Big 10 schools.
State funds can’t be used to travel to those states. Which doesn’t really matter for athletics since they can just say it’s donor money.
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“ The travel ban, which took effect in January, originally included Kansas, Mississippi, North Carolina and Tennessee. The Attorney General … announced he had added Alabama, Kentucky, South Dakota and Texas because of recently enacted laws in those states.” Apparently it includes university staff members. I’m not certain it can be gotten around so easily due to the amount of state funding involved. I’ll be interested to see if it comes into play…
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Coaches and team personnel are almost always independent contractors. If this was a real issue UCLA would be in trouble. I believe Iowa and Ohio are on the list
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
I would favor something like what happened with the Big 12 1.0. The Southwest Conference and Big 8 folded and formed the Big 12.
I’ll be honest, I do not give a flying monkey’s arse about BYU, University of Florida - Orlando (Online), or “baby vomit over spaghetti” Cincinnati. I don’t like those cities for road trips and they don’t add much to the competitiveness of the league in terms of economic value.
I also don’t really care about Wazzu or Oregon State. Pullman is more or less in Idaho and Corvallis allegedly is a real city, but I haven’t confirmed that.
So, let’s take the best of the rest and build a legit power league. Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Utah, and the Arizonas are a good start out west. KU, ISU, Tech, OSU, Houston, and maybe another Texas school works. If you can get UW and Oregon that’s even better. All the sudden you have a really good league.
Baby v**** over spaghetti. That is the grossest restaurant on earth. When I lived in Florida, there was a Skyline right next to my office. I tried it once, and it was horrible. A year later, I got talked into it again, and it was even worse.
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I think chances are that the Big 1 and the Pac 12 merge when it’s all said and done , & I think we are going to see this put into action fairly quickly
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@Jethro said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
I would favor something like what happened with the Big 12 1.0. The Southwest Conference and Big 8 folded and formed the Big 12.
I’ll be honest, I do not give a flying monkey’s arse about BYU, University of Florida - Orlando (Online), or “baby vomit over spaghetti” Cincinnati. I don’t like those cities for road trips and they don’t add much to the competitiveness of the league in terms of economic value.
I also don’t really care about Wazzu or Oregon State. Pullman is more or less in Idaho and Corvallis allegedly is a real city, but I haven’t confirmed that.
So, let’s take the best of the rest and build a legit power league. Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Utah, and the Arizonas are a good start out west. KU, ISU, Tech, OSU, Houston, and maybe another Texas school works. If you can get UW and Oregon that’s even better. All the sudden you have a really good league.
Baby v**** over spaghetti. That is the grossest restaurant on earth. When I lived in Florida, there was a Skyline right next to my office. I tried it once, and it was horrible. A year later, I got talked into it again, and it was even worse.
Good to see this board has people with the strictly correct take regarding Skyline. Carry on then.
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@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
I think chances are that the Big 1 and the Pac 12 merge when it’s all said and done , & I think we are going to see this put into action fairly quickly
The B1G isn’t ready to move on Oregon and Washington. Waiting on Notre Dame. The Big 12 should be pulling every string to get the top of the PAC.
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If Oregon joined the B12, the flagship institutions for Nike and Adidas would be head to head every season. (assuming KU stays in the B12, which is as big of an assumption at this point as Oregon leaving the Pac12)
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
I think chances are that the Big 1 and the Pac 12 merge when it’s all said and done , & I think we are going to see this put into action fairly quickly
The B1G isn’t ready to move on Oregon and Washington. Waiting on Notre Dame. The Big 12 should be pulling every string to get the top of the PAC.
couldn’t agree with you more Famer - - I think they need to jump and jump now. - -The chances of us in the Big 10 are getting less and less. - - I dove into the message boards of the pac 12 schools and they all seem to think they need to join the big 12 - Arizona , Arizona State , Utah , & Colorado. - sur not the perfect scenario but we can’t sit still and do nothing
I red a statement from CBS Sports that quoted one Big 12 Member saying they had no interest at this time to add any Pac 12 members - - that would be a HUGE mistake. - -Either merge and take all remaining members or take those 4 schools. The Big 12can not afford to just sit and do nothing
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@FarmerJayhawk so no way we get invited?
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So it looks like this is going to turn into one big time cluster. - - Read where the Big 10 has told Oregon & Stanford they standing pat and not looking to expand any further at this point.
Pac 12 looking to expand ,if this happens - -does KU become one of the expansions joining the Pac 12 ? - I will repeat the people in charge need to get after this with all fours - -whether its the Pac 12 joining the Big 1 or Visa Versa - -things have got to move. -I think probably best if the two just merge
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk so no way we get invited?
There’s definitely a way. If the B1G goes to 20+, we’re a strong candidate.
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So I wonder what happens to these other Conferences ? - -The Big East - - Will the ACC survive
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https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2022/06/30/big-ten-conference-done-with-expansion-for-now/
Not sure how reliable, but sounds like Big 10 is done for now with expansion. If that is the case, the Big 12 needs act and go after Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Utah, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington and beat the Big 10 and SEC to 20 teams.
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No wonder people say the ACC grant of rights is ironclad. There’s no mechanism in the deal for getting out of it! https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185531/ACC-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
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@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
So it looks like this is going to turn into one big time cluster. - - Read where the Big 10 has told Oregon & Stanford they standing pat and not looking to expand any further at this point.
Pac 12 looking to expand ,if this happens - -does KU become one of the expansions joining the Pac 12 ? - I will repeat the people in charge need to get after this with all fours - -whether its the Pac 12 joining the Big 1 or Visa Versa - -things have got to move. -I think probably best if the two just merge
The Pac 12 would be a death knell for us- the black hole of college sports. I sure hope we don’t merge. If anything, I could see Pac12 losing most of their members after all this shakes out. I think the B12 will swoop in.
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@Jethro said in Big 12 Expansion:
@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
So it looks like this is going to turn into one big time cluster. - - Read where the Big 10 has told Oregon & Stanford they standing pat and not looking to expand any further at this point.
Pac 12 looking to expand ,if this happens - -does KU become one of the expansions joining the Pac 12 ? - I will repeat the people in charge need to get after this with all fours - -whether its the Pac 12 joining the Big 1 or Visa Versa - -things have got to move. -I think probably best if the two just merge
The Pac 12 would be a death knell for us- the black hole of college sports. I sure hope we don’t merge. If anything, I could see Pac12 losing most of their members after all this shakes out. I think the B12 will swoop in.
Hell if the big 12 swoops in as you say and most of members no difference then the leagues merging -big 12/pac 12 - - pac 12/big 12 either way these two will form in the ed in some way
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
No wonder people say the ACC grant of rights is ironclad. There’s no mechanism in the deal for getting out of it! https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185531/ACC-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
I don’t imagine the conference lawyers wanted to make it easy to make a “lateral” move for schools from one P5 league to another. The Big 12 probably has similar language in their deals which is why OU amd Texas haven’t been able to work on an earlier move to the SEC than when the B12 Grant of Rights expires.
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https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2022/07/01/pac-12-big-12-college-football-realignment-news/
If accurate, WTF!?!? I guess the behavior makes sense considering Bowlsby is still in charge for a few more weeks and he’s never been proactive when poaching teams when that’s been anopinion, he’s always been reactive when making moves. It’d be nice if his farewell to the Big 12 was to change it up, swing for the fences and invite Arizona, ASU, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, and Washington to the Big 12 and see who’s interested. Especially considering the Big 12 does have their next TV deal coming up a year after the B10. Going for those 8 schools is probably the only way to realistically increase the current yearly payout to schools.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big 12 Expansion:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2022/07/01/pac-12-big-12-college-football-realignment-news/
If accurate, WTF!?!? I guess the behavior makes sense considering Bowlsby is still in charge for a few more weeks and he’s never been proactive when poaching teams when that’s been anopinion, he’s always been reactive when making moves. It’d be nice if his farewell to the Big 12 was to change it up, swing for the fences and invite Arizona, ASU, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, and Washington to the Big 12 and see who’s interested. Especially considering the Big 12 does have their next TV deal coming up a year after the B10. Going for those 8 schools is probably the only way to realistically increase the current yearly payout to schools.
If the Big 12 jacks around and does nothing and wets all over themselves with this - - then the league deserves whatever they get. This bullshit of just sitting when the teams are there to expand - -now days you better get it done. - -The Big 12 can not afford to just sit around on their thumbs with this
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
No wonder people say the ACC grant of rights is ironclad. There’s no mechanism in the deal for getting out of it! https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185531/ACC-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
I don’t imagine the conference lawyers wanted to make it easy to make a “lateral” move for schools from one P5 league to another. The Big 12 probably has similar language in their deals which is why OU amd Texas haven’t been able to work on an earlier move to the SEC than when the B12 Grant of Rights expires.
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maybe I’m a lone wolf , maybe im stressing to much but I’ve been reding Arizona , Arizona State , Utah boards and seems consensoul that these teams need to be added to the Big 12. WHY is the higher ups of the Big 12 being so blind. They need to move, the Big 12 sits silent then they WILL BE silent at the wrong time. - -They have to get these teams added to stay relevant in the sporting world. To sit and be silent makes no sense what so ever The Big 12 needs to move and move now.
Either we merge with the pac 12 or we take these teams to form our own solid conference - not just sit and be a complete idiot
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There’s a meeting Tuesday between the Big 12 and the Arizonas, Utah, and Colorado. This could get done quickly
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
There’s a meeting Tuesday between the Big 12 and the Arizonas, Utah, and Colorado. This could get done quickly
Dang Farmer thats good news hopefully. Thanks for the insight. The Big 12 just can’t afford to sit still and do nothing, I’m hoping this is some SERIOUS TALKS. - -I think if we could get together with the Arizona Schools and add the other two it would at least put us on more stable ground. No wouldn’t be some mega conference but we would at least put us on more stable ground…
Your a breath of fresh air on this Sunday Evening Farmer, may not be the ideal situation but we have to DO SOMETHING. - -Like I posted earlier, off the Arizona boards most their fans figure it’s pretty much a given they come to the Big 12. If indeed this got done would move us to a 16 team conference
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@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
There’s a meeting Tuesday between the Big 12 and the Arizonas, Utah, and Colorado. This could get done quickly
Dang Farmer thats good news hopefully. Thanks for the insight. The Big 12 just can’t afford to sit still and do nothing, I’m hoping this is some SERIOUS TALKS. - -I think if we could get together with the Arizona Schools and add the other two it would at least put us on more stable ground. No wouldn’t be some mega conference but we would at least put us on more stable ground…
Your a breath of fresh air on this Sunday Evening Farmer, may not be the ideal situation but we have to DO SOMETHING. - -Like I posted earlier, off the Arizona boards most their fans figure it’s pretty much a given they come to the Big 12. If indeed this got done would move us to a 16 team conference
Hoping it’s a kind of quasi-merger and we don’t even entertain bringing Oregon St and Wazzu unless it means getting their big brothers.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
There’s a meeting Tuesday between the Big 12 and the Arizonas, Utah, and Colorado. This could get done quickly
Dang Farmer thats good news hopefully. Thanks for the insight. The Big 12 just can’t afford to sit still and do nothing, I’m hoping this is some SERIOUS TALKS. - -I think if we could get together with the Arizona Schools and add the other two it would at least put us on more stable ground. No wouldn’t be some mega conference but we would at least put us on more stable ground…
Your a breath of fresh air on this Sunday Evening Farmer, may not be the ideal situation but we have to DO SOMETHING. - -Like I posted earlier, off the Arizona boards most their fans figure it’s pretty much a given they come to the Big 12. If indeed this got done would move us to a 16 team conference
Hoping it’s a kind of quasi-merger and we don’t even entertain bringing Oregon St and Wazzu unless it means getting their big brothers.
Ya, I hear ya. I really think chances are we just work a deal with these 4 , I think the chances of Oregon and Washinton being available is going to be pretty slim down the line, as from what I’ve been reading although the BIG says they are good for now - -when it’s al said and done sounds like Oregon and Washington is next on the list for them…
I think we stand pat with the 16 team conference about as good as it’s gonna get for us. The others from the Pac 12 just bring not much - -the only thing would be would be a complete merger , but with the meeting talking to these 4 I think this is it.
Mercy the ACC is going to play out really interesting wiith teams if they even thought about leaving they would have to forefit all home revenue for games up until 2036? - -is that right ? - If that’s true that league is in a world of hurt with the way these things are playing out. - Looks like we gonna get like been saying maybe 4 mega Conferences? - -Not sure if we would have to add yet more but not sure where we would get any quality teams from. - If we still have to add cause there is talk of even 20 team conferences now thats insane. Yet I think we are good if we can get these four - - -at least for now.
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I openly admit to having little knowledge in these conference shakeouts. But my gut says to NOT PANIC and get into death deals. I feel like being part of a super conference is an absolute disaster. No more solid conference home/away round robins stinks. And the answer to split up conference by region is not the answer. I know viewing numbers add up to cash dollars… but in the long run I like the strength of identity. And though the Big 12 has changed flavors it still has some bones left that connects history and region.
Just look at our rivalry with Mizzou. It was building into one of the top college basketball rivalries before it dissolved. And now that it has been realized how important it was… they are trying to rebuild it. Not such an easy task… though we see the attempt.
The big $$$ in our conference ALWAYS related to rivalries. Am I the only one who remembered when the Big 8 largely controlled college football with NU/OU games? Had we “kept it real” and stuck together through all of this conference shift garbage we would own college sports today, regardless of the viewing numbers because those big games were MONSTER games that attract the entire USA!
I miss those days… and I hate the idea that we become some kind of begging orphan sister to another conference we have ZERO identity with.
Hey… screw it… let’s go independent. Use our football program strictly as a revenue source finding opponents who fill stadiums and wanting an easy win. Stop dreaming like Kansas football is coming back to something real.
Our basketball program can start looking more like the Harlem Globetrotters… traveling the nation playing ranked teams only. Talk about gaining a recruiting edge… we become the “elite of the elite” by only playing Top 20-25 teams. The money will be outrageous. Our entire schedule will be on ESPN. Our SOS will guarantee us a 1-seed every March… and we won’t get stuck playing in stupid conference tournaments before March Madness. We take time to heal and rest before we go into the big tournament to DOMINATE!
If we are going to leave our history/identity behind, then lets really leave it and go for a real cash in! These super conferences are absolutely stupid!
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@drgnslayr said in Big 12 Expansion:
I openly admit to having little knowledge in these conference shakeouts. But my gut says to NOT PANIC and get into death deals. I feel like being part of a super conference is an absolute disaster. No more solid conference home/away round robins stinks. And the answer to split up conference by region is not the answer. I know viewing numbers add up to cash dollars… but in the long run I like the strength of identity. And though the Big 12 has changed flavors it still has some bones left that connects history and region.
Just look at our rivalry with Mizzou. It was building into one of the top college basketball rivalries before it dissolved. And now that it has been realized how important it was… they are trying to rebuild it. Not such an easy task… though we see the attempt.
The big $$$ in our conference ALWAYS related to rivalries. Am I the only one who remembered when the Big 8 largely controlled college football with NU/OU games? Had we “kept it real” and stuck together through all of this conference shift garbage we would own college sports today, regardless of the viewing numbers because those big games were MONSTER games that attract the entire USA!
I miss those days… and I hate the idea that we become some kind of begging orphan sister to another conference we have ZERO identity with.
Hey… screw it… let’s go independent. Use our football program strictly as a revenue source finding opponents who fill stadiums and wanting an easy win. Stop dreaming like Kansas football is coming back to something real.
Our basketball program can start looking more like the Harlem Globetrotters… traveling the nation playing ranked teams only. Talk about gaining a recruiting edge… we become the “elite of the elite” by only playing Top 20-25 teams. The money will be outrageous. Our entire schedule will be on ESPN. Our SOS will guarantee us a 1-seed every March… and we won’t get stuck playing in stupid conference tournaments before March Madness. We take time to heal and rest before we go into the big tournament to DOMINATE!
If we are going to leave our history/identity behind, then lets really leave it and go for a real cash in! These super conferences are absolutely stupid!
Well my friend , I’m afraid your on a sinking ship. Cause this with the Pac 12 is going to happen. The Big 12 is talking with these Schools tomorrow and look for it to move fast… The Big 12 had to do something , there is no way they could just sit still and do nothing. College athletics as a whole is taking on a new face - -this or these super conferences are the future landscape , If the Big 12 didn’t act then in the near future there would be no Big 12. It would crumble , and every team including KU would be left without a home and scurring to try an find some place - - any place to continue. I hope your not one that thinks we are a certain to be accepted to the Big 10 , Cause KU just like an article I read today - KU is in kind of the same boat as Oregon & Washington with the Big 10 - they are considered a tweener The Big 10 considers those Schools Oregon & Stanford s a School that does not quite bring enough value to the Market. - That’s another reason the Big 10 has said they are done for now.
If Ku wouldn’t of made some kind of move then we would be in the cold -playing in some mid major conference or like the Mountain West - - The AAC . Now this deal with these 4 Schools from the Pac 12 that the Big 12 is scheduled to talk to tomorrow is not a done deal - - - it’s a done deal. Pretty much word is everyone who is anyone feels like this is what needs to be done. - -Sorry buddy but I’d much rather be this way and on or solid footing then the other option
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Why don’t we go independent? Our basketball is going to SUFFER making a move like this. We need to hire-in marketing gurus in the AD and go after big independent bucks… we then share with no one.
We tie in with Pac12 we will take a monster hit. It’s such a bad kneejerk reaction. The big money deal is a dream. No one east of Colorado wants to stay awake late at night to watch KU play Washington (beyond KU diehard).
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In all of this, it’s worthwhile to keep in mind that there are two discussions: “What’s best for the Big12” and “What’s best for KU”. Ideally, we should not conflate these two things because they are not always aligned and may lead to separate outcomes.
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@drgnslayr said in Big 12 Expansion:
Why don’t we go independent? Our basketball is going to SUFFER making a move like this. We need to hire-in marketing gurus in the AD and go after big independent bucks… we then share with no one.
We tie in with Pac12 we will take a monster hit. It’s such a bad kneejerk reaction. The big money deal is a dream. No one east of Colorado wants to stay awake late at night to watch KU play Washington (beyond KU diehard).
Can’t really answer that , as far s our Basketball teams taking a hit - -not really that sure. - With the Schools that have been added or considering being added - -I’d say were fine. - We are gaining Arizona & Houston BOTH better then Oklahoma and Texas in quality of play. It might be idealistice to be independent and play a schedule like you talk about but not realistic – KU would be committing suicide to try and play that kind of a schedule if your looking at it from a KU stand point and not a League standpoint - - No matter who KU plays you would be surprised at the National media they pull no matter who they play. - -Ku is BLUEBLOOD AAS BLUEBLLOOD can be in Basketball. - -People want to see really good basketball , your true College fan loves seeing Blue Blood basketball. So to say Ku would be or suffer don’t think is necessarily true. - We will have quality teams in this league more then offset losing Tex and OU to the SEC
Again Arizona - - Houston - - & Even Cincinnati are good quality with Houston and Arizona being better then Tex & Houston in Basketball – don’t really think KU Basketball will suffr as much as you beleive
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@drgnslayr This is starting to look like the formation of two super conferences and the rest being minor players unable to attract enough eyeballs. I don’t like it but there’s a real chance that KU ends up being one of those minor players. It would seem that the best case scenario for KU long term would be to get picked up by one of those super conferences, preferably the B1G. UCLA and USC going to the B1G is not simply a shot across the bow, but more like general war with the B1G and the SEC brushing aside the collateral damage they’re responsible for. And if things keep going in the direction they seem to be going, being an independent isn’t that crazy of an idea.
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@rocketdog The point about eyeballs is a critical one. While the both the SEC and B10 have the big media deals, its actually the B10 which now has a much larger media market footprint, including the top 3 (NY, LA and Chicago). The SEC is actually behind others in shear eyeball reach. And, those two and the ACC overlap in markets to a significant extent. I would argue that combining the right B12 and Pac12 schools could result in pretty strong media market footprint, with 5 of the top 12 and 11 of the top 36, many of them that would not have cross-competition. That would mean adding Arizona/Phoenix, Colorado/Denver, either Stanford or Cal/Bay Area, Oregon/Portland and Washington/Seattle to pair with Houston, Dallas-Ft. Worth, Orlando, KC, SLC, and Cincinatti (the latter 3 are top 36), plus some of Sacramento and San Antonio. It won’t be close to the B10, but its not nothing. It would dominate the center of the country to the west (ex LA).
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@drgnslayr said in Big 12 Expansion:
I openly admit to having little knowledge in these conference shakeouts. But my gut says to NOT PANIC and get into death deals. I feel like being part of a super conference is an absolute disaster. No more solid conference home/away round robins stinks. And the answer to split up conference by region is not the answer. I know viewing numbers add up to cash dollars… but in the long run I like the strength of identity. And though the Big 12 has changed flavors it still has some bones left that connects history and region.
Just look at our rivalry with Mizzou. It was building into one of the top college basketball rivalries before it dissolved. And now that it has been realized how important it was… they are trying to rebuild it. Not such an easy task… though we see the attempt.
The big $$$ in our conference ALWAYS related to rivalries. Am I the only one who remembered when the Big 8 largely controlled college football with NU/OU games? Had we “kept it real” and stuck together through all of this conference shift garbage we would own college sports today, regardless of the viewing numbers because those big games were MONSTER games that attract the entire USA!
I miss those days… and I hate the idea that we become some kind of begging orphan sister to another conference we have ZERO identity with.
Hey… screw it… let’s go independent. Use our football program strictly as a revenue source finding opponents who fill stadiums and wanting an easy win. Stop dreaming like Kansas football is coming back to something real.
Our basketball program can start looking more like the Harlem Globetrotters… traveling the nation playing ranked teams only. Talk about gaining a recruiting edge… we become the “elite of the elite” by only playing Top 20-25 teams. The money will be outrageous. Our entire schedule will be on ESPN. Our SOS will guarantee us a 1-seed every March… and we won’t get stuck playing in stupid conference tournaments before March Madness. We take time to heal and rest before we go into the big tournament to DOMINATE!
If we are going to leave our history/identity behind, then lets really leave it and go for a real cash in! These super conferences are absolutely stupid!
Nobody will pay jack for an independent basketball program, and we won’t be able to get games from January on. Conferences and the networks won’t bend over backwards to schedule breaks so KU can come play in their sandbox. It would be the death of KU sports as nationally relevant.
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So we were third in revenue. Way higher then other big 12 teams. AAU membership and we have a lot of the KC market, which sure isn’t huge but still a decent market that the big ten doesn’t have…. I guess I don’t get how Bball doesn’t play into this. So all of these TV deals that are driving this are only football related. Literally one of the most televised things in the winter is college Bball. College football doesn’t carry the whole winter. So the UK vs KU Bball matchups have no value over a mediocre Iowa football team vs ucla football? Like I get getting the best football you can, but duke ku etc have such a Bball following. How would that not drive the needle a bit for the TV contracts, to include KU vs ucla, KU MsU etc
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@jayhawks2010 said in Big 12 Expansion:
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So we were third in revenue. Way higher then other big 12 teams. AAU membership and we have a lot of the KC market, which sure isn’t huge but still a decent market that the big ten doesn’t have…. I guess I don’t get how Bball doesn’t play into this. So all of these TV deals that are driving this are only football related. Literally one of the most televised things in the winter is college Bball. College football doesn’t carry the whole winter. So the UK vs KU Bball matchups have no value over a mediocre Iowa football team vs ucla football? Like I get getting the best football you can, but duke ku etc have such a Bball following. How would that not drive the needle a bit for the TV contracts, to include KU vs ucla, KU MsU etc
It’s not that college basketball has no value, but it’s much less than college football. Duke and Kentucky are the only genuine needle movers in college basketball. There were only 8 regular college basketball games that topped 2 million viewers and Duke and Kentucky played in 6 of those games and the other two were lead ins to NFL Playoff games. College football had 100 more games top 2 million viewers for regular season games. There is a lot more money in college football than college basketball.
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What about the ACC and Big East teams?
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Probably so. But basketball does have more games and more nights throughout the week. Like football has pretty much one day, so a one day game might have more, but what about the cumulative effect of a whole week of games. I get that it doesn’t matter compared to Football but I feel like it still has television value when it’s like literally the only thing on outside of the nfl Jan-March. Anyway hopefully it all works out
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@jayhawks2010 said in Big 12 Expansion:
Probably so. But basketball does have more games and more nights throughout the week. Like football has pretty much one day, so a one day game might have more, but what about the cumulative effect of a whole week of games. I get that it doesn’t matter compared to Football but I feel like it still has television value when it’s like literally the only thing on outside of the nfl Jan-March. Anyway hopefully it all works out
It’s not literally the only thing on after football from Jan.-March. The NBA and NHL are also both going strong at that point and each averaged quite a bit higher numbers than college basketball for their nationally broadcast games which were on basically every night.
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@jayhawks2010 said in Big 12 Expansion:
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So we were third in revenue. Way higher then other big 12 teams. AAU membership and we have a lot of the KC market, which sure isn’t huge but still a decent market that the big ten doesn’t have…. I guess I don’t get how Bball doesn’t play into this. So all of these TV deals that are driving this are only football related. Literally one of the most televised things in the winter is college Bball. College football doesn’t carry the whole winter. So the UK vs KU Bball matchups have no value over a mediocre Iowa football team vs ucla football? Like I get getting the best football you can, but duke ku etc have such a Bball following. How would that not drive the needle a bit for the TV contracts, to include KU vs ucla, KU MsU etc
An additional point, the conferences own all the college football revenue pie. The NCAA owns the most valuable property: the NCAA Tournament. Once the conferences get ahold of that you’ll see KU’s value skyrocket.
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Sure other things are on, nba and nhl. nba does have their time slot on espn etc. but espn, fox, cbs devote a ton of main tv nights showing college basketball. If it had very little coverage/following they would show way more nba games but they don’t. College Bball would be only on espn 2 or plus. Pretty much all Monday-Wednesday on espn, espn 2, espn + etc is college Bball. Almost all Saturday is college basketball. Big portion of Sunday for the big ten is on cbs. Most of the nba is on tnt.
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@jayhawks2010 Your analysis is correct, but that saturation of college games is precisely why KU would not command a massive audience in the regular season. Too many other choices.
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I think the bottom line is , that we as fans can try and twist things around , wish , hope , , talking about why being independent would work- - the fact is these super conferences are now a reality - -this is the future for football & College sports it’s just the fact of life now.
We can complain & wish all we want about KU not merging , KU becoming an independent KU going to the BIG - -thing is IT’S NOT HAPENING Or as far as the BIG goes not happening for some time to come. - We just don’t bring enough Market value for them to invite. - You can argue all you want. - -If they are not adding Stanford & Washington calling them tweeners where they don’t bring enough value- -then they sure the hell aren’t inviting KU for some time
The Big 12 & KU by talking with these Pac 12 4 Schools is doing what they need to do at this time. We CAN NOT just sit still and do nothing If they did then the Big 12 would be screwed and would be a thing of the past. Then we would have to hang onto our butts and hope to GOD for the best. - This at the present time anyways is about the best scenario - either add these 4 Schools OR just merge total with the PAC 12 we become that 3rd Conference
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So I read where the law makers is Washington & Oregon that said there was a movement to emphasize to put tax pyers and public not wanting to split PAC 12 public Schools. - If they are successful that would force Oregon State? Oregon & Washington State & Washington together - you take one - -you take them both or not at all.
I’m sur the Big 10 would neve accept that as it waters down the amount for evey school because WSU & OSU for sur do not bring enough market value.
This in turn may add more credence to the Big 12 ? Pac 12 joinging together/merging as a mega conference - merging together and having all of these schools come together
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Read Dennis Dodds latest from like a half hour ago. - -Saying the Big 12 was in DEEP discussions with the Pac 12 of adding at least 4 teams to the Big 12 , could be more- - -maybe 6 with Washinton & Oregon. -Talking about how the big 12 has a small lean in their favor with the two leagues
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Seems like we might hear about Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, & Utah first. Oregon and Washington later on, perhaps waiting to see what Notre Dame does. If everything moves forward as rumored I’m really liking how things are shaping up for the Big12.
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Also, Utah fans are something else. Had no idea. If they join this will take some getting used to.
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@RockkChalkk said in Big 12 Expansion:
Also, Utah fans are something else. Had no idea. If they join this will take some getting used to.
Sounds like Arizona State fans are a piece of cake also
