Big 12 Expansion
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
The moving isn’t close to done
How much more moving are you thinking? 20 teams? 24 teams?
24 https://twitter.com/genetics56/status/1542623835761033219?s=21&t=kS1iTgLGpPca_kJ7eJsZcA
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Hang onto your butts https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1542654210306674688?s=21&t=-aAGNmgYxa1sic2rGR5wTA
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The news just said at 6 they’ve been accepted.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
Hang onto your butts https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1542654210306674688?s=21&t=-aAGNmgYxa1sic2rGR5wTA
Out of curiosity, would you rather UNC join the SEC or the B10? And how do you feel about not being in a conference with Duke?
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Media outlets in the Northwest are already reacting to the USC & UCLA departures, mostly with alarm.
Schools like Oregon and Washington (fiscally stable up to now) have a decision, according to one headline I just read: “Leave Pac-12 Or Be Content In A Declining Conference.” Already some rumors have the two schools off to another league, possibly the Big 10.
One issue for any conference taking them in: the fate of the rival programs at Oregon State and Washington State, which don’t have near the resources of their in-state counterparts.
(It makes one wonder how many KU fans would trade the K-State rivalry for a berth in a better conference.)
A lot of the blame for the LA schools leaving can be put on the last Pac-12 commissioner, who negotiated a terrible TV contract that put a lot of kickoff times way too late for viewers in the Eastern and Central time zones. I’m sure the Big 10 won’t have them play home games at 7:30 Pacific.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
Hang onto your butts https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1542654210306674688?s=21&t=-aAGNmgYxa1sic2rGR5wTA
Out of curiosity, would you rather UNC join the SEC or the B10? And how do you feel about not being in a conference with Duke?
That’s tough. Culturally UNC is a much better fit in the SEC, but the SEC doesn’t have the Olympic sports or academics UNC really values. So I’d say Big Ten. Duke can rot in hell
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@nwhawkfan said in Big 12 Expansion:
Media outlets in the Northwest are already reacting to the USC & UCLA departures, mostly with alarm.
Schools like Oregon and Washington (fiscally stable up to now) have a decision, according to one headline I just read: “Leave Pac-12 Or Be Content In A Declining Conference.” Already some rumors have the two schools off to another league, possibly the Big 10.
One issue for any conference taking them in: the fate of the rival programs at Oregon State and Washington State, which don’t have near the resources of their in-state counterparts.
(It makes one wonder how many KU fans would trade the K-State rivalry for a berth in a better conference.)
A lot of the blame for the LA schools leaving can be put on the last Pac-12 commissioner, who negotiated a terrible TV contract that put a lot of kickoff times way too late for viewers in the Eastern and Central time zones. I’m sure the Big 10 won’t have them play home games at 7:30 Pacific.
Answering about KU leaving the K/ state rivalry - -I think they would in a heart beat, bottom line is teams/schools have to look out for themselves , rivalries or not, and really for KU/K State there hasn’t been that rialary lately in the two sports - - K/State dominating Football - - KU dominating Basketball. The other school need to win once in a while for it to really be a rivalry . The thing is and I have no clue on this totally know nothing but evey time this is brought up all I hear is how Govt here in Kansas would not allow KU to leave K/State behind I don’t know
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big 12 Expansion:
This is interesting and surprising because usually the Big 10 has been interested in schools that share a border with current Big 10 members.
With the Big 12 hiring their new commissioner, I’m hoping he’ll look at further expanding the Big 12 by raiding the PAC12 and going after Arizona, Arizona St., Colorado, and Utah if UCLA and USC do bolt for the Big 10.
Ya we must do something and would say I think fairly quickly. - -Like your thoughts would like possibly having Arizona & Arizona State possibly joining . - -What about trying to get some teams from ACC if not PACC 12 ? - -This whole deal with the BIG 10 accepting UCLA & USC has kind of blown geographics right out of the water. - Would be some travel problems/distance for sure but looking like now all bets are off and Dog eat Dog
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I think with this move by USC & UCLA moving to the BIG 10 - your gonna see a lot of movement now. - -I think this thing has just erupted. Hoping for the best & I think now KU stays put expand the Big 12 and see where it goes. Good teams from other conferences going to be looking to make moves and make moves soon I think
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Not sure if ANY TRUTH at all to this but got from TOS. statement from Bowlsbuy - -The Big 12 officially announcing extending offers to Arizona , Arizona State , Washington , & Oregon to joining 24-25 academic year. - -Could be some trioll.
One thing we DO KNOW this is going to be something else hold on wild ride in the future
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I don’t know guys , I mean call me blind , call me thick , call me slow , call me stupid BUT with this latest development , I just think even more now that KU will be staying put. - -One - -with USC & UCLA joining the BIg 10 I just think there is even a less chance of KU just for Basketball.- - With what has even been mentioned here Football is the money maker in College sports and even though I love my KU - - we all know KU brings NOTHING in that aspect I just don’t think even more now that our Basketball is enough to attract the offer. USC traditional good football teams - & good enough especially UCLA can hold their own in Basketball
I just feel even more strongly now and like an article I red tonight the Big 12 which found it’self in Death throes 11 months ago NOW all of a sudden find their Selves in an advantageous position as beneficiary with this movement in the Pac 12. I think the possibilities like a different article said - -we could see the Big 12 and the remainder of the Pac 12 form a merger - -OR the big 12 may just try and add Arizona - - Arizona State - - Oregon - - Utah - -* Washington I just think KU will stay put and ride it out
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I would favor something like what happened with the Big 12 1.0. The Southwest Conference and Big 8 folded and formed the Big 12.
I’ll be honest, I do not give a flying monkey’s arse about BYU, University of Florida - Orlando (Online), or “baby vomit over spaghetti” Cincinnati. I don’t like those cities for road trips and they don’t add much to the competitiveness of the league in terms of economic value.
I also don’t really care about Wazzu or Oregon State. Pullman is more or less in Idaho and Corvallis allegedly is a real city, but I haven’t confirmed that.
So, let’s take the best of the rest and build a legit power league. Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Utah, and the Arizonas are a good start out west. KU, ISU, Tech, OSU, Houston, and maybe another Texas school works. If you can get UW and Oregon that’s even better. All the sudden you have a really good league.
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Doesn’t CA have a prohibition against their state supported schools (UC system) playing schools where politics conflict? I think Kansas, Oklahoma, maybe Nebraska conflict. I dunno about other Big 10 schools.
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@Gorilla72 said in Big 12 Expansion:
Doesn’t CA have a prohibition against their state supported schools (UC system) playing schools where politics conflict? I think Kansas, Oklahoma, maybe Nebraska conflict. I dunno about other Big 10 schools.
State funds can’t be used to travel to those states. Which doesn’t really matter for athletics since they can just say it’s donor money.
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“ The travel ban, which took effect in January, originally included Kansas, Mississippi, North Carolina and Tennessee. The Attorney General … announced he had added Alabama, Kentucky, South Dakota and Texas because of recently enacted laws in those states.” Apparently it includes university staff members. I’m not certain it can be gotten around so easily due to the amount of state funding involved. I’ll be interested to see if it comes into play…
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Coaches and team personnel are almost always independent contractors. If this was a real issue UCLA would be in trouble. I believe Iowa and Ohio are on the list
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
I would favor something like what happened with the Big 12 1.0. The Southwest Conference and Big 8 folded and formed the Big 12.
I’ll be honest, I do not give a flying monkey’s arse about BYU, University of Florida - Orlando (Online), or “baby vomit over spaghetti” Cincinnati. I don’t like those cities for road trips and they don’t add much to the competitiveness of the league in terms of economic value.
I also don’t really care about Wazzu or Oregon State. Pullman is more or less in Idaho and Corvallis allegedly is a real city, but I haven’t confirmed that.
So, let’s take the best of the rest and build a legit power league. Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Utah, and the Arizonas are a good start out west. KU, ISU, Tech, OSU, Houston, and maybe another Texas school works. If you can get UW and Oregon that’s even better. All the sudden you have a really good league.
Baby v**** over spaghetti. That is the grossest restaurant on earth. When I lived in Florida, there was a Skyline right next to my office. I tried it once, and it was horrible. A year later, I got talked into it again, and it was even worse.
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I think chances are that the Big 1 and the Pac 12 merge when it’s all said and done , & I think we are going to see this put into action fairly quickly
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@Jethro said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
I would favor something like what happened with the Big 12 1.0. The Southwest Conference and Big 8 folded and formed the Big 12.
I’ll be honest, I do not give a flying monkey’s arse about BYU, University of Florida - Orlando (Online), or “baby vomit over spaghetti” Cincinnati. I don’t like those cities for road trips and they don’t add much to the competitiveness of the league in terms of economic value.
I also don’t really care about Wazzu or Oregon State. Pullman is more or less in Idaho and Corvallis allegedly is a real city, but I haven’t confirmed that.
So, let’s take the best of the rest and build a legit power league. Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Utah, and the Arizonas are a good start out west. KU, ISU, Tech, OSU, Houston, and maybe another Texas school works. If you can get UW and Oregon that’s even better. All the sudden you have a really good league.
Baby v**** over spaghetti. That is the grossest restaurant on earth. When I lived in Florida, there was a Skyline right next to my office. I tried it once, and it was horrible. A year later, I got talked into it again, and it was even worse.
Good to see this board has people with the strictly correct take regarding Skyline. Carry on then.
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@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
I think chances are that the Big 1 and the Pac 12 merge when it’s all said and done , & I think we are going to see this put into action fairly quickly
The B1G isn’t ready to move on Oregon and Washington. Waiting on Notre Dame. The Big 12 should be pulling every string to get the top of the PAC.
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If Oregon joined the B12, the flagship institutions for Nike and Adidas would be head to head every season. (assuming KU stays in the B12, which is as big of an assumption at this point as Oregon leaving the Pac12)
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
I think chances are that the Big 1 and the Pac 12 merge when it’s all said and done , & I think we are going to see this put into action fairly quickly
The B1G isn’t ready to move on Oregon and Washington. Waiting on Notre Dame. The Big 12 should be pulling every string to get the top of the PAC.
couldn’t agree with you more Famer - - I think they need to jump and jump now. - -The chances of us in the Big 10 are getting less and less. - - I dove into the message boards of the pac 12 schools and they all seem to think they need to join the big 12 - Arizona , Arizona State , Utah , & Colorado. - sur not the perfect scenario but we can’t sit still and do nothing
I red a statement from CBS Sports that quoted one Big 12 Member saying they had no interest at this time to add any Pac 12 members - - that would be a HUGE mistake. - -Either merge and take all remaining members or take those 4 schools. The Big 12can not afford to just sit and do nothing
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@FarmerJayhawk so no way we get invited?
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So it looks like this is going to turn into one big time cluster. - - Read where the Big 10 has told Oregon & Stanford they standing pat and not looking to expand any further at this point.
Pac 12 looking to expand ,if this happens - -does KU become one of the expansions joining the Pac 12 ? - I will repeat the people in charge need to get after this with all fours - -whether its the Pac 12 joining the Big 1 or Visa Versa - -things have got to move. -I think probably best if the two just merge
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk so no way we get invited?
There’s definitely a way. If the B1G goes to 20+, we’re a strong candidate.
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So I wonder what happens to these other Conferences ? - -The Big East - - Will the ACC survive
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https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2022/06/30/big-ten-conference-done-with-expansion-for-now/
Not sure how reliable, but sounds like Big 10 is done for now with expansion. If that is the case, the Big 12 needs act and go after Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Utah, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington and beat the Big 10 and SEC to 20 teams.
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No wonder people say the ACC grant of rights is ironclad. There’s no mechanism in the deal for getting out of it! https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185531/ACC-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
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@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
So it looks like this is going to turn into one big time cluster. - - Read where the Big 10 has told Oregon & Stanford they standing pat and not looking to expand any further at this point.
Pac 12 looking to expand ,if this happens - -does KU become one of the expansions joining the Pac 12 ? - I will repeat the people in charge need to get after this with all fours - -whether its the Pac 12 joining the Big 1 or Visa Versa - -things have got to move. -I think probably best if the two just merge
The Pac 12 would be a death knell for us- the black hole of college sports. I sure hope we don’t merge. If anything, I could see Pac12 losing most of their members after all this shakes out. I think the B12 will swoop in.
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@Jethro said in Big 12 Expansion:
@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
So it looks like this is going to turn into one big time cluster. - - Read where the Big 10 has told Oregon & Stanford they standing pat and not looking to expand any further at this point.
Pac 12 looking to expand ,if this happens - -does KU become one of the expansions joining the Pac 12 ? - I will repeat the people in charge need to get after this with all fours - -whether its the Pac 12 joining the Big 1 or Visa Versa - -things have got to move. -I think probably best if the two just merge
The Pac 12 would be a death knell for us- the black hole of college sports. I sure hope we don’t merge. If anything, I could see Pac12 losing most of their members after all this shakes out. I think the B12 will swoop in.
Hell if the big 12 swoops in as you say and most of members no difference then the leagues merging -big 12/pac 12 - - pac 12/big 12 either way these two will form in the ed in some way
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
No wonder people say the ACC grant of rights is ironclad. There’s no mechanism in the deal for getting out of it! https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185531/ACC-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
I don’t imagine the conference lawyers wanted to make it easy to make a “lateral” move for schools from one P5 league to another. The Big 12 probably has similar language in their deals which is why OU amd Texas haven’t been able to work on an earlier move to the SEC than when the B12 Grant of Rights expires.
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https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2022/07/01/pac-12-big-12-college-football-realignment-news/
If accurate, WTF!?!? I guess the behavior makes sense considering Bowlsby is still in charge for a few more weeks and he’s never been proactive when poaching teams when that’s been anopinion, he’s always been reactive when making moves. It’d be nice if his farewell to the Big 12 was to change it up, swing for the fences and invite Arizona, ASU, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, and Washington to the Big 12 and see who’s interested. Especially considering the Big 12 does have their next TV deal coming up a year after the B10. Going for those 8 schools is probably the only way to realistically increase the current yearly payout to schools.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big 12 Expansion:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2022/07/01/pac-12-big-12-college-football-realignment-news/
If accurate, WTF!?!? I guess the behavior makes sense considering Bowlsby is still in charge for a few more weeks and he’s never been proactive when poaching teams when that’s been anopinion, he’s always been reactive when making moves. It’d be nice if his farewell to the Big 12 was to change it up, swing for the fences and invite Arizona, ASU, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, and Washington to the Big 12 and see who’s interested. Especially considering the Big 12 does have their next TV deal coming up a year after the B10. Going for those 8 schools is probably the only way to realistically increase the current yearly payout to schools.
If the Big 12 jacks around and does nothing and wets all over themselves with this - - then the league deserves whatever they get. This bullshit of just sitting when the teams are there to expand - -now days you better get it done. - -The Big 12 can not afford to just sit around on their thumbs with this
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
No wonder people say the ACC grant of rights is ironclad. There’s no mechanism in the deal for getting out of it! https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185531/ACC-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
I don’t imagine the conference lawyers wanted to make it easy to make a “lateral” move for schools from one P5 league to another. The Big 12 probably has similar language in their deals which is why OU amd Texas haven’t been able to work on an earlier move to the SEC than when the B12 Grant of Rights expires.
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maybe I’m a lone wolf , maybe im stressing to much but I’ve been reding Arizona , Arizona State , Utah boards and seems consensoul that these teams need to be added to the Big 12. WHY is the higher ups of the Big 12 being so blind. They need to move, the Big 12 sits silent then they WILL BE silent at the wrong time. - -They have to get these teams added to stay relevant in the sporting world. To sit and be silent makes no sense what so ever The Big 12 needs to move and move now.
Either we merge with the pac 12 or we take these teams to form our own solid conference - not just sit and be a complete idiot
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There’s a meeting Tuesday between the Big 12 and the Arizonas, Utah, and Colorado. This could get done quickly
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
There’s a meeting Tuesday between the Big 12 and the Arizonas, Utah, and Colorado. This could get done quickly
Dang Farmer thats good news hopefully. Thanks for the insight. The Big 12 just can’t afford to sit still and do nothing, I’m hoping this is some SERIOUS TALKS. - -I think if we could get together with the Arizona Schools and add the other two it would at least put us on more stable ground. No wouldn’t be some mega conference but we would at least put us on more stable ground…
Your a breath of fresh air on this Sunday Evening Farmer, may not be the ideal situation but we have to DO SOMETHING. - -Like I posted earlier, off the Arizona boards most their fans figure it’s pretty much a given they come to the Big 12. If indeed this got done would move us to a 16 team conference
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@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
There’s a meeting Tuesday between the Big 12 and the Arizonas, Utah, and Colorado. This could get done quickly
Dang Farmer thats good news hopefully. Thanks for the insight. The Big 12 just can’t afford to sit still and do nothing, I’m hoping this is some SERIOUS TALKS. - -I think if we could get together with the Arizona Schools and add the other two it would at least put us on more stable ground. No wouldn’t be some mega conference but we would at least put us on more stable ground…
Your a breath of fresh air on this Sunday Evening Farmer, may not be the ideal situation but we have to DO SOMETHING. - -Like I posted earlier, off the Arizona boards most their fans figure it’s pretty much a given they come to the Big 12. If indeed this got done would move us to a 16 team conference
Hoping it’s a kind of quasi-merger and we don’t even entertain bringing Oregon St and Wazzu unless it means getting their big brothers.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
@jayballer67 said in Big 12 Expansion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Expansion:
There’s a meeting Tuesday between the Big 12 and the Arizonas, Utah, and Colorado. This could get done quickly
Dang Farmer thats good news hopefully. Thanks for the insight. The Big 12 just can’t afford to sit still and do nothing, I’m hoping this is some SERIOUS TALKS. - -I think if we could get together with the Arizona Schools and add the other two it would at least put us on more stable ground. No wouldn’t be some mega conference but we would at least put us on more stable ground…
Your a breath of fresh air on this Sunday Evening Farmer, may not be the ideal situation but we have to DO SOMETHING. - -Like I posted earlier, off the Arizona boards most their fans figure it’s pretty much a given they come to the Big 12. If indeed this got done would move us to a 16 team conference
Hoping it’s a kind of quasi-merger and we don’t even entertain bringing Oregon St and Wazzu unless it means getting their big brothers.
Ya, I hear ya. I really think chances are we just work a deal with these 4 , I think the chances of Oregon and Washinton being available is going to be pretty slim down the line, as from what I’ve been reading although the BIG says they are good for now - -when it’s al said and done sounds like Oregon and Washington is next on the list for them…
I think we stand pat with the 16 team conference about as good as it’s gonna get for us. The others from the Pac 12 just bring not much - -the only thing would be would be a complete merger , but with the meeting talking to these 4 I think this is it.
Mercy the ACC is going to play out really interesting wiith teams if they even thought about leaving they would have to forefit all home revenue for games up until 2036? - -is that right ? - If that’s true that league is in a world of hurt with the way these things are playing out. - Looks like we gonna get like been saying maybe 4 mega Conferences? - -Not sure if we would have to add yet more but not sure where we would get any quality teams from. - If we still have to add cause there is talk of even 20 team conferences now thats insane. Yet I think we are good if we can get these four - - -at least for now.
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I openly admit to having little knowledge in these conference shakeouts. But my gut says to NOT PANIC and get into death deals. I feel like being part of a super conference is an absolute disaster. No more solid conference home/away round robins stinks. And the answer to split up conference by region is not the answer. I know viewing numbers add up to cash dollars… but in the long run I like the strength of identity. And though the Big 12 has changed flavors it still has some bones left that connects history and region.
Just look at our rivalry with Mizzou. It was building into one of the top college basketball rivalries before it dissolved. And now that it has been realized how important it was… they are trying to rebuild it. Not such an easy task… though we see the attempt.
The big $$$ in our conference ALWAYS related to rivalries. Am I the only one who remembered when the Big 8 largely controlled college football with NU/OU games? Had we “kept it real” and stuck together through all of this conference shift garbage we would own college sports today, regardless of the viewing numbers because those big games were MONSTER games that attract the entire USA!
I miss those days… and I hate the idea that we become some kind of begging orphan sister to another conference we have ZERO identity with.
Hey… screw it… let’s go independent. Use our football program strictly as a revenue source finding opponents who fill stadiums and wanting an easy win. Stop dreaming like Kansas football is coming back to something real.
Our basketball program can start looking more like the Harlem Globetrotters… traveling the nation playing ranked teams only. Talk about gaining a recruiting edge… we become the “elite of the elite” by only playing Top 20-25 teams. The money will be outrageous. Our entire schedule will be on ESPN. Our SOS will guarantee us a 1-seed every March… and we won’t get stuck playing in stupid conference tournaments before March Madness. We take time to heal and rest before we go into the big tournament to DOMINATE!
If we are going to leave our history/identity behind, then lets really leave it and go for a real cash in! These super conferences are absolutely stupid!
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@drgnslayr said in Big 12 Expansion:
I openly admit to having little knowledge in these conference shakeouts. But my gut says to NOT PANIC and get into death deals. I feel like being part of a super conference is an absolute disaster. No more solid conference home/away round robins stinks. And the answer to split up conference by region is not the answer. I know viewing numbers add up to cash dollars… but in the long run I like the strength of identity. And though the Big 12 has changed flavors it still has some bones left that connects history and region.
Just look at our rivalry with Mizzou. It was building into one of the top college basketball rivalries before it dissolved. And now that it has been realized how important it was… they are trying to rebuild it. Not such an easy task… though we see the attempt.
The big $$$ in our conference ALWAYS related to rivalries. Am I the only one who remembered when the Big 8 largely controlled college football with NU/OU games? Had we “kept it real” and stuck together through all of this conference shift garbage we would own college sports today, regardless of the viewing numbers because those big games were MONSTER games that attract the entire USA!
I miss those days… and I hate the idea that we become some kind of begging orphan sister to another conference we have ZERO identity with.
Hey… screw it… let’s go independent. Use our football program strictly as a revenue source finding opponents who fill stadiums and wanting an easy win. Stop dreaming like Kansas football is coming back to something real.
Our basketball program can start looking more like the Harlem Globetrotters… traveling the nation playing ranked teams only. Talk about gaining a recruiting edge… we become the “elite of the elite” by only playing Top 20-25 teams. The money will be outrageous. Our entire schedule will be on ESPN. Our SOS will guarantee us a 1-seed every March… and we won’t get stuck playing in stupid conference tournaments before March Madness. We take time to heal and rest before we go into the big tournament to DOMINATE!
If we are going to leave our history/identity behind, then lets really leave it and go for a real cash in! These super conferences are absolutely stupid!
Well my friend , I’m afraid your on a sinking ship. Cause this with the Pac 12 is going to happen. The Big 12 is talking with these Schools tomorrow and look for it to move fast… The Big 12 had to do something , there is no way they could just sit still and do nothing. College athletics as a whole is taking on a new face - -this or these super conferences are the future landscape , If the Big 12 didn’t act then in the near future there would be no Big 12. It would crumble , and every team including KU would be left without a home and scurring to try an find some place - - any place to continue. I hope your not one that thinks we are a certain to be accepted to the Big 10 , Cause KU just like an article I read today - KU is in kind of the same boat as Oregon & Washington with the Big 10 - they are considered a tweener The Big 10 considers those Schools Oregon & Stanford s a School that does not quite bring enough value to the Market. - That’s another reason the Big 10 has said they are done for now.
If Ku wouldn’t of made some kind of move then we would be in the cold -playing in some mid major conference or like the Mountain West - - The AAC . Now this deal with these 4 Schools from the Pac 12 that the Big 12 is scheduled to talk to tomorrow is not a done deal - - - it’s a done deal. Pretty much word is everyone who is anyone feels like this is what needs to be done. - -Sorry buddy but I’d much rather be this way and on or solid footing then the other option
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Why don’t we go independent? Our basketball is going to SUFFER making a move like this. We need to hire-in marketing gurus in the AD and go after big independent bucks… we then share with no one.
We tie in with Pac12 we will take a monster hit. It’s such a bad kneejerk reaction. The big money deal is a dream. No one east of Colorado wants to stay awake late at night to watch KU play Washington (beyond KU diehard).
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In all of this, it’s worthwhile to keep in mind that there are two discussions: “What’s best for the Big12” and “What’s best for KU”. Ideally, we should not conflate these two things because they are not always aligned and may lead to separate outcomes.
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@drgnslayr said in Big 12 Expansion:
Why don’t we go independent? Our basketball is going to SUFFER making a move like this. We need to hire-in marketing gurus in the AD and go after big independent bucks… we then share with no one.
We tie in with Pac12 we will take a monster hit. It’s such a bad kneejerk reaction. The big money deal is a dream. No one east of Colorado wants to stay awake late at night to watch KU play Washington (beyond KU diehard).
Can’t really answer that , as far s our Basketball teams taking a hit - -not really that sure. - With the Schools that have been added or considering being added - -I’d say were fine. - We are gaining Arizona & Houston BOTH better then Oklahoma and Texas in quality of play. It might be idealistice to be independent and play a schedule like you talk about but not realistic – KU would be committing suicide to try and play that kind of a schedule if your looking at it from a KU stand point and not a League standpoint - - No matter who KU plays you would be surprised at the National media they pull no matter who they play. - -Ku is BLUEBLOOD AAS BLUEBLLOOD can be in Basketball. - -People want to see really good basketball , your true College fan loves seeing Blue Blood basketball. So to say Ku would be or suffer don’t think is necessarily true. - We will have quality teams in this league more then offset losing Tex and OU to the SEC
Again Arizona - - Houston - - & Even Cincinnati are good quality with Houston and Arizona being better then Tex & Houston in Basketball – don’t really think KU Basketball will suffr as much as you beleive
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@drgnslayr This is starting to look like the formation of two super conferences and the rest being minor players unable to attract enough eyeballs. I don’t like it but there’s a real chance that KU ends up being one of those minor players. It would seem that the best case scenario for KU long term would be to get picked up by one of those super conferences, preferably the B1G. UCLA and USC going to the B1G is not simply a shot across the bow, but more like general war with the B1G and the SEC brushing aside the collateral damage they’re responsible for. And if things keep going in the direction they seem to be going, being an independent isn’t that crazy of an idea.
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@rocketdog The point about eyeballs is a critical one. While the both the SEC and B10 have the big media deals, its actually the B10 which now has a much larger media market footprint, including the top 3 (NY, LA and Chicago). The SEC is actually behind others in shear eyeball reach. And, those two and the ACC overlap in markets to a significant extent. I would argue that combining the right B12 and Pac12 schools could result in pretty strong media market footprint, with 5 of the top 12 and 11 of the top 36, many of them that would not have cross-competition. That would mean adding Arizona/Phoenix, Colorado/Denver, either Stanford or Cal/Bay Area, Oregon/Portland and Washington/Seattle to pair with Houston, Dallas-Ft. Worth, Orlando, KC, SLC, and Cincinatti (the latter 3 are top 36), plus some of Sacramento and San Antonio. It won’t be close to the B10, but its not nothing. It would dominate the center of the country to the west (ex LA).
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@drgnslayr said in Big 12 Expansion:
I openly admit to having little knowledge in these conference shakeouts. But my gut says to NOT PANIC and get into death deals. I feel like being part of a super conference is an absolute disaster. No more solid conference home/away round robins stinks. And the answer to split up conference by region is not the answer. I know viewing numbers add up to cash dollars… but in the long run I like the strength of identity. And though the Big 12 has changed flavors it still has some bones left that connects history and region.
Just look at our rivalry with Mizzou. It was building into one of the top college basketball rivalries before it dissolved. And now that it has been realized how important it was… they are trying to rebuild it. Not such an easy task… though we see the attempt.
The big $$$ in our conference ALWAYS related to rivalries. Am I the only one who remembered when the Big 8 largely controlled college football with NU/OU games? Had we “kept it real” and stuck together through all of this conference shift garbage we would own college sports today, regardless of the viewing numbers because those big games were MONSTER games that attract the entire USA!
I miss those days… and I hate the idea that we become some kind of begging orphan sister to another conference we have ZERO identity with.
Hey… screw it… let’s go independent. Use our football program strictly as a revenue source finding opponents who fill stadiums and wanting an easy win. Stop dreaming like Kansas football is coming back to something real.
Our basketball program can start looking more like the Harlem Globetrotters… traveling the nation playing ranked teams only. Talk about gaining a recruiting edge… we become the “elite of the elite” by only playing Top 20-25 teams. The money will be outrageous. Our entire schedule will be on ESPN. Our SOS will guarantee us a 1-seed every March… and we won’t get stuck playing in stupid conference tournaments before March Madness. We take time to heal and rest before we go into the big tournament to DOMINATE!
If we are going to leave our history/identity behind, then lets really leave it and go for a real cash in! These super conferences are absolutely stupid!
Nobody will pay jack for an independent basketball program, and we won’t be able to get games from January on. Conferences and the networks won’t bend over backwards to schedule breaks so KU can come play in their sandbox. It would be the death of KU sports as nationally relevant.
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So we were third in revenue. Way higher then other big 12 teams. AAU membership and we have a lot of the KC market, which sure isn’t huge but still a decent market that the big ten doesn’t have…. I guess I don’t get how Bball doesn’t play into this. So all of these TV deals that are driving this are only football related. Literally one of the most televised things in the winter is college Bball. College football doesn’t carry the whole winter. So the UK vs KU Bball matchups have no value over a mediocre Iowa football team vs ucla football? Like I get getting the best football you can, but duke ku etc have such a Bball following. How would that not drive the needle a bit for the TV contracts, to include KU vs ucla, KU MsU etc
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@jayhawks2010 said in Big 12 Expansion:
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So we were third in revenue. Way higher then other big 12 teams. AAU membership and we have a lot of the KC market, which sure isn’t huge but still a decent market that the big ten doesn’t have…. I guess I don’t get how Bball doesn’t play into this. So all of these TV deals that are driving this are only football related. Literally one of the most televised things in the winter is college Bball. College football doesn’t carry the whole winter. So the UK vs KU Bball matchups have no value over a mediocre Iowa football team vs ucla football? Like I get getting the best football you can, but duke ku etc have such a Bball following. How would that not drive the needle a bit for the TV contracts, to include KU vs ucla, KU MsU etc
It’s not that college basketball has no value, but it’s much less than college football. Duke and Kentucky are the only genuine needle movers in college basketball. There were only 8 regular college basketball games that topped 2 million viewers and Duke and Kentucky played in 6 of those games and the other two were lead ins to NFL Playoff games. College football had 100 more games top 2 million viewers for regular season games. There is a lot more money in college football than college basketball.
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What about the ACC and Big East teams?
