Reasons to believe in next year’s team
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@justanotherfan said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
This KU squad is a top 5 squad. They need to get into transition though, because the half court offense will be a work in progress for most of the season.
Hopefully this defense will be capable of forcing the turnovers and rebound well enough to get this team running. Can you imagine Juan, Yes, and McCullar as the perimeter D? Could definitely apply some pressure to the ball handlers.
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@BeddieKU23 , IMO player’s talents at a low to mid-major don’t often translate well to P5, especially at the elite P5 levels. Cam Martin (we’ll wait and see) seems to be an example of that. I don’t remember a plethora of them succeeding. Coach apparently feels that way about Mosley.
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I agree its difficult to jump up in competition and be as good especially at KU. It does happen every year across the nation but I think its difficult to predict which players will blossom. Mosley made a lot of sense due to his connections to the program & his offensive skill level. I could argue Self has taken two transfers in recent past (Moss/Coleman-Lands) that were similar to Mosley athletically/defensively. I do think Self prefers to get transfers from major conferences though so I do think that is a big factor in his decision making process with transfers. Take a look at the recent transfers & Yesufu/Cam Martin are the only 2 guys that have transferred in from lower levels.
2021-22- Coleman Lands- (Illinois/Depaul/Iowa St), Remy Martin (Arizona St). Yesufu (Drake) & Martin (D2) .
2019-20- Moss (Iowa)
2018-19- Dedric, KJ Lawson (Memphis), Charlie Moore (Cal)
2017-18- Cunliffe (Arizona St), Newman (Mississippi St).
2016-17- Dwight Coleby (Ole Miss).
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I beleive in next years team. I also have reason for concern about next years team at least probably for non con. The Reason ? - I have yet to see anyone convince me about scoring droughts ? - -Scorers , PROVEN SCORER’S
This team is going to b really inexperienced for awhile , I just think we are going to take some lumps. - -Were gonna look ugly , really ugly at times early. I mean who is going to take over score the ball for us ? you can’t try and defend by saying Dick or Rice - -any of the Freshmen to be that scorer. Big difference between High School and P-5. Alot of those moves you got away with in High School - -some of those shots - -they aren’t gonna work in College, as you got players just as good to defend those moves - -those shots.
I think sure Jalen - ya Jalen will score but even him how is he gonna be on a consistent basis ? - he isn’t gonna be no mean star monster scorer. Jalen has shown from the past he might score 15-16 one game and then might be 10 the next time. Is Jalen a guy that’s a Alpha? - is he gonna step up and take that key shot late in a crucial game ? - I don’t think at this point that Jalen is that type of player. - Jalen is a good player but Is Jalen a take charge player ? Jalen is a very good complimentory player. Do we even have that type of player on this team ? - -Lot of questions to be answered. Other then Jalen , who can we look to for that production ? I just don’t think we can count on the freshmen for that. In most cases unless they are a proven one an done like top 5-10 range they gonna hit that wall sometime.
Were gonna be good defensively - -I think we got a chance to be REAL GOOD defensively. I just think Offensively - -were gonna look like we going through mud some times bog down. I hope I’m wrong but I just think that Scoring is going to be a big issue for some time hope I’m wrong. Would be great to come out and be hitting on all cylinders from the gt go. - -I do not think this is a top five team at the beginning , more like possibly a 8 or 9 - just so many qustion marks
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@Jethro said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
We had to have great shooting last year because our rebounding sucked. If we missed, there’s a good chance we weren’t getting the ball back.
I think you may have just been overreacing to times we didn’t do great.
Here are the full season stats. First line is KU, and 2d line is our rank nationally.
3rd line is our opponents, and then their rank.
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@Jethro And same stats for conference play:
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@mayjay I think you’re correct. Let me fix it for you. I should’ve done my homework.
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@Jethro I think it has more to do with our emotional hopes that get dashed whenever KU does something wrong, for example, if we miss an easy rebound. It gets magnified in our reaction, and those mistakes tend to be what we remember.
Happens to everybody! Just think of how baseball fans revile Bill Buckner–one misplay created a mythos of him as hands of stone despite him having committed only 146 errors in 16,661 chances over 21 years, and even setting several fielding records. But that play is seen as the one that lost the World Series for Boston.
Except it didn’t. They lost the Series the next night. Emotion affects memory!
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@mayjay said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@Jethro I think it has more to do with our emotional hopes that get dashed whenever KU does something wrong, for example, if we miss an easy rebound. It gets magnified in our reaction, and those mistakes tend to be what we remember.
Happens to everybody! Just think of how baseball fans revile Bill Buckner–one misplay created a mythos of him as hands of stone despite him having committed only 146 errors in 16,661 chances over 21 years, and even setting several fielding records. But that play is seen as the one that lost the World Series for Boston.
Except it didn’t. They lost the Series the next night. Emotion affects memory!
I think I fell for a combination of us getting beat on the boards against UNC and the Big Dave caterwauling to think we weren’t good on the boards. You should’ve seen my face when I pulled up NCAA stats…lol. Any who, the original point was to say all is not lost if we aren’t as good from 3 point land as we were last year… when we won the national championship. I really think we have a deep, solid team that might not be as good as last year, but still will be a damn good team.
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@Jethro You certainly made a good point about good shooting being necessary since we may not be able to rely on a banger underneath. Z will likely get the agility and finesse boards, but I think he is a couple years away from being bulky enough to get a putback basket like Dave’s against UNC!
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Gosh… the news this past week… Wilson and McCullar here… We should be competitive on the boards this year! Now… if we get good boards from the 5? Could be huge!
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@drgnslayr said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Gosh… the news this past week… Wilson and McCullar here… We should be competitive on the boards this year! Now… if we get good boards from the 5? Could be huge!
If Udeh is what they say about his aggression on the Boards - -we gonna be fine. -Him & Wilson and others. One thing I will say My God Udeh is big -I mean Big hope he can develop some offensive progress to go with the rest of his game. - Actually I’ve her Zuby is as good maybe better offensively at this point although neither have super offensive games at this pint BUT still glad we have this pair to go with Zach on our team
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@drgnslayr said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Gosh… the news this past week… Wilson and McCullar here… We should be competitive on the boards this year! Now… if we get good boards from the 5? Could be huge!
Rebounding won’t be an issue unless Self decided to play KJ Adams the majority of the minutes at the 5. He’s the only big that’s going to play that’s a bad rebounder. Clemence is already a good rebounder and should be even better with a year of lifting and bulking up. Udeh has the frame to be a monster on the glass, and Wilson is a good rebounder for a stretch 4.
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1 and done.
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The kid is so smooth!
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Besides Juan, Wilson and Gradey I haven’t seen enough of anyone else to make an educated guess. I think the freshmen will really help! I know KJ plays pretty good D consistently when he goes in. Am anxious to see what we have. Vets better be working hard!
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I think Gradey is rather overrated. Would love to be wrong…
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@BShark you will be doing a lotta loving!
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@Crimsonorblue22 There will be a big adjustment period imo. Can he defend the way Self wants at this stage? Very doubtful.
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@BShark he can jump hi, run fast and get a shot off quick with hi release. No reason he can’t move his ft, get those long arms in the passing lanes. He gets a lot of offensive dunk put backs. I’m ready to say I told ya so all yr! I hope anyway.
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Juan will be throwing a lot of lobs to him. Excited!
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@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
I think Gradey is rather overrated. Would love to be wrong…
I’m guessing one area he’s not overrated is his shooting form. That looks pretty solid. It’s always tough for scrubs like me to judge an incoming player, having only seen him play a few times. He never stood out in those few games though.
But, somebody has to shoot and score next year. His light is gonna be Green to launch 3s.
He for sure doesn’t have a college ready body. That will hold him back on anything physical.
I’ll call my shot in the other thread…
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I think he will have some highs and lows his freshman year. He’s going to get pushed around, and that will completely push him into becoming best friends with the strength coach next summer.
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https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1534243326236532737
Look at how happy he is @Crimsonorblue22
Some issues behind the scenes at Tech!
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@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1534243326236532737
Look at how happy he is @Crimsonorblue22
Some issues behind the scenes at Tech!
All I know there are some really un happy fans in Texas lol
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@BShark I’m excited! Really!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@BShark I’m excited! Really!
Same. Bill had his pick of some pretty good players and chose McCullar. Would have seen more guys end up here if we had guys transfer out. But no one wants to leave the champs.
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My 2 gkids in Lawrence are at Washburn bb camp. Brett’s a great friend, my son played a lot of ball with him. Anyway the kids took pics with Juan and each a pic getting Gradey’s autograph. I haven’t been able to post pics for a long time.
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@Crimsonorblue22 That’s awesome
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Zach said yesterday he’s up to 225.
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@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1534243326236532737
Look at how happy he is @Crimsonorblue22
Some issues behind the scenes at Tech!
Shannon and McCullar both transfer out. Awkward…
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@Jethro said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1534243326236532737
Look at how happy he is @Crimsonorblue22
Some issues behind the scenes at Tech!
Shannon and McCullar both transfer out. Awkward…
Two of their best players… You don’t see that at KU, Kentuckah, Puke, UNC etc
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@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@Jethro said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1534243326236532737
Look at how happy he is @Crimsonorblue22
Some issues behind the scenes at Tech!
Shannon and McCullar both transfer out. Awkward…
Two of their best players… You don’t see that at KU, Kentuckah, Puke, UNC etc
Makes me think the atmosphere down there isn’t very pleasant. Those guys were the heart and soul of their team.
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@Jethro said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@Jethro said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1534243326236532737
Look at how happy he is @Crimsonorblue22
Some issues behind the scenes at Tech!
Shannon and McCullar both transfer out. Awkward…
Two of their best players… You don’t see that at KU, Kentuckah, Puke, UNC etc
Makes me think the atmosphere down there isn’t very pleasant. Those guys were the heart and soul of their team.
It’s Lubbock. How pleasant can it be?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
It’s Lubbock. How pleasant can it be?
It’s a football school. I will never understand why anyone would want to go to a football school if they have an option at a basketball school.
We treat our players like Gods… lol
But it goes way beyond their playing days. Any guy who is on the team, including scrubs, will be treated well long beyond their playing days.
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I think by the time conference play rolls around he’s going to be adjusted.
You just can’t teach his size, athleticism and coordination combination. He probably needs to put some weight on for the pros, but I don’t think he really will need it in college ball.
And the odds are he is going to put on 10-15lbs between now and the start of the season. I expect him to be good
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Summer hype szn is upon us with the camp scrimmages.
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I heard Rice looked pretty good today
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That he did. Yes put up a 30 burger lol
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Adams had 16
Udeh with 16
Rice had 18
Zach with 19
Gradey with 10
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
That he did. Yes put up a 30 burger lol
ELITE scrimmage player. The anti-Garrett, if you will.
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Such a relief that MJ made it on campus. That’s the first box checked for next years team.
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@BShark said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
That he did. Yes put up a 30 burger lol
ELITE scrimmage player. The anti-Garrett, if you will.
Not to be outdone by Mr. Late Night, Justin Wesley
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
That he did. Yes put up a 30 burger lol
He’s the new Remy.
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Tait’s take on MJ today:
“MJ Rice, who arrived in Lawrence around 4 a.m. today, has looked far and away like one of the best players out here today. Physical on the drive, smooth on the pull-up, range to the 3-point line. All of it looks easy, too. #KUbball”
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@Jethro said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
That he did. Yes put up a 30 burger lol
He’s the new Remy.
Remy, but less good. Not a great recipe for heavy minutes imo.
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@Jethro said in Reasons to believe in next year’s team:
Tait’s take on MJ today:
“MJ Rice, who arrived in Lawrence around 4 a.m. today, has looked far and away like one of the best players out here today. Physical on the drive, smooth on the pull-up, range to the 3-point line. All of it looks easy, too. #KUbball”
Also from Tait: “ Tough drives through contact at players big and small, pull-up jumpers, run-outs in transition and shots from behind the 3-point line all were a part of Rice’s outing on Wednesday. His red team fell in the bragging-rights game, 81-79, to a blue squad that received 30 points from Joe Yesufu and 16 more from Adams, including the game winning dunk with just under four seconds to play.”
Yesufu and Adams putting guys on notice…
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@Jethro Keion Brooks left Kensucky for Washington.
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See I’m some what confused , surprising I know lol. See when we were recruiting Rice I heard and read a lot about people not even knowing if Rice would even play in a college game , saying probably just go play some form of pro instead of College. After he committed to KU, again had people worried and saying they would believe it when they see it about him actually showing up.
Then I hear all about Grady wand I have seen how good Grady is , the I see people’s what they believe would be their starting 5 this coming year , and I read some talking about Mj and limited minutes .Now I’m not complaining or bitching but I’m just thinking , why is it so hard for people to project Rice not having a bigger impact and struggling to get meaningful minutes . I guess that just solidifies our team when we have this quality of a player if he is going to be hard pressed to play quality minutes.
I mysel am saying it’s going to be hard - - very hard - -if almost not impossible to keep MJ off the floor even in his freshman yr if he is what he has been projected as and I’m just confused and taking nothing away from Grady - -just confused some who is better Grady or MJ - -both rated high it’s just MJ looks to me seems to bring it all. Complete all around game. Shoots the three - -has good medium game - - attacks the rim or can offensively - -rebounds the ball just solid - -real solid. Nice position to be in with this group of freshmen I actually think MJ gonna surprise some , why it would be a surprise but just sit back and watch and apprciate when the time comes.
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Rice the more College ready body physically, he’s a grown man. Both are going to play a lot. They both bring some different skills to the table & its a luxury to have them both
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@jayballer67 They’ll both likely play in the 25-30 minute range because they can both play the 2-4 spots for Self. The reason why people tend to be higher on Dick than Rice right now is because Dick’s recruiting stock increased over the past season quite a bit whereas Rice’s stock went down to the point where 24/7 even lowered him to a 4 star recruit.
