KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread
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@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
I’m a pretty firm believer that NIL is just putting a public face on this stuff. Not sure on Oscar, he genuinely seems to love it at UK and isn’t draftable.
Also I think what it also does it change the narrative that this stuff is illegal when its not. For generations we were led to believe that kids getting paid was OMG illegal. It’s happened for so long but now its in the open and kids can finally capitalize. Of course that doesn’t come with its share of growing pains or control that should perhaps be in place.
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Not an NBA Draft decision, but former Texas Tech forward Marcus Santos-Silva signed a free agent contract with the Cleveland Browns to try and make their team as a TE.
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@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
@approxinfinity Remember when UNC returned their roster after 08?
I remember… and unless they get hit with bad luck next year (like injuries), I expect them to be a FF team again and be favored to win it because their chip factor will be off the charts!
Still doesn’t guarantee them anything. Look at the Zags.
I like Hubert Davis… but I’m still not sold on him being ready for the trophy. He did have his guys in the championship game this year. Time will tell.
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I’m not totally buying in on the ESPN concept of our starting lineup next year. But even looking at it their way… if CB decides to come back, imagine this with CB:
Projected starting lineup:
Dajuan Harris Jr., (5.4 PPG)
Gradey Dick (No. 14 in ESPN 100)
M.J. Rice (No. 30 in ESPN 100)
Jalen Wilson (11.0 PPG)
Ernest Udeh (No. 23 in ESPN 100)
Then look at the developing talent we have on the bench already. Think about KJ and Zach fighting for minutes in the post.
What if we added McCullar to this mix? He’s that utility guard Self always likes who can give minutes anywhere from the 2 to 4. He would add a great amount of toughness and physicality to our team.
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KJ reminds me of Pierre Russell when he played at KU (yes, I’m that old). I don’t see KJ at the 5, but as a strong rebounding and inside scoring 4. But Self hasn’t gone that way in the past, has he?
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@drgnslayr I have mocked this already but Zach is starting. I also see at most one of the FR wings starting. Bill would never start 3 FR.
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Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.
Dude cannot shoot. He doesn’t finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that’s saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.
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@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.
Dude cannot shoot. He doesn’t finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that’s saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.
Council over him ALL DAY. Council is IMPROVING and a better athlete.
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@BShark My thing with him is that do we really want to see him play over Dick or Rice? What is he bringing to the table that would be worth 25 mpg lost from development of two dudes who have a fantastic shot at playing in the league?
If we are going to watch a guy play over our 5* freshman, please let it be someone with similar upside.
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@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.
Dude cannot shoot. He doesn’t finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that’s saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.
I was hoping we wouldn’t have to see that name come up again. -I’m like you with a very hard NOOOOOO ! there is nothing about him that I’m interested in just does not impress me, never has - -never will
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I love Dick, but I think he needs a good year to develop into an effective D1 player. He needs muscle.
I would take McCullar all day long. Not for his offense. But he’s a defensive stopper for everything but a 5. Those guys don’t grow on trees. I remember this exact same argument said about Marcus. Exact.
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What did we win with Marcus on the roster though?
ETA: I think Marcus is a MUCH better defender/athlete too.
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I don’t think that is a fair comment. 2020 was a definite NC team. Plus, one guy doesn’t make a NC. I would gobble up another Marcus all day long. Both of these guys are great defenders, but have slightly different assets.
Who do we have now as a stopper?
My statement holds true. I remember singularly defending Marcus through much of his KU career.
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@drgnslayr said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
I don’t think that is a fair comment. 2020 was a definite NC team. Plus, one guy doesn’t make a NC. I would gobble up another Marcus all day long. Both of these guys are great defenders, but have slightly different assets.
Who do we have now as a stopper?
My statement holds true. I remember singularly defending Marcus through much of his KU career.
for one Juan not to shabby
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Juan is good against a PG… someone not too physical.
How is Juan against an athletic 3 or 4?
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I like Council, too. But I have to admit I fall in love with players easily because I always see potential.
Council’s trey shooting fell off last year to around 30%. He’s very athletic but I still see McCullar as a more stable player. He takes care of the ball well and I like his passing. He has good court awareness, too. McCullar is a MUCH BETTER defender! I just think his fundamentals are better than most guys coming through the portal, including Council. I think both of these guys will shoot a higher trey % at KU because we will be able to run better offense. TT didn’t even have a PG and WSU’s offense was pure chaos with almost no structure.
Council has some great highlight plays… but I would trade the glitter for a rock solid defender any day of the week… especially for next year’s team.
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@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
What did we win with Marcus on the roster though?
ETA: I think Marcus is a MUCH better defender/athlete too.
We got to a Final Four and likely would’ve won a natty. Pretty good career
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If I’m Self right now… I’m looking for defense for next year because we are going to be lacking. McCullar would shore up a lot of defensive holes.
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@FarmerJayhawk Yeah the FF with him in his proper role of super sub utility wing man. Clearly we were robbed in 2020, so my comment is a bit unfair.
McCullar is at the bottom of my list, of everyone KU has been linked with. Bill would get the best out of Council, who is already showing signs of being a great defender.
I just can’t see adding McCullar to have both FR come off the bench.
I think this is mostly moot anyway, if we just slot Mosley into CB’s spot that’s PROBABLY a wrap. Though I think it would work out better for both sides if we added another big guard and Joe found another MVC school. This assumes we strike out on Hunter, who is my top preference after Mosley.
But then you’d be looking at…
Juan
Transfer
Mosley
Wilson
Zach
With Bob, Gradey, MJ, bench big of your choosing as the rotation. I could see Bill tinkering a lot early on as we have a lot of 5s and all offer different things.
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@Gorilla72 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
KJ reminds me of Pierre Russell when he played at KU (yes, I’m that old). I don’t see KJ at the 5, but as a strong rebounding and inside scoring 4. But Self hasn’t gone that way in the past, has he?
Darnell Jackson??
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@BShark I know it’s a pipedream, but I’m hoping to have Hunter fill the 2 spot. I know he is also a smaller guard, but he was a great defender last year and was a huge part of ISU making it as far in the tourney as they did. Bill has shown he loves having two primary ball handlers on the floor at the same time, but I’m not sure how Hunter feels about sharing PG duties with Juan. From what little I’ve heard, Tyrese wasn’t sold on the idea of playing with Juan, but I don’t really know.
If that doesn’t work out, then maybe Malachi Smith? Terrific rebounder and a go to bucket getter. I haven’t seen him announce any kind of list of interested parties, but I’d be very surprised if we haven’t reached out already. This of course would mean someone has to be shown the door unfortunately, but Mosley + Hunter/Smith would be at the top of my wishlist.
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@PharmacyHawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
@BShark I know it’s a pipedream, but I’m hoping to have Hunter fill the 2 spot. I know he is also a smaller guard, but he was a great defender last year and was a huge part of ISU making it as far in the tourney as they did. Bill has shown he loves having two primary ball handlers on the floor at the same time, but I’m not sure how Hunter feels about sharing PG duties with Juan. From what little I’ve heard, Tyrese wasn’t sold on the idea of playing with Juan, but I don’t really know.
If that doesn’t work out, then maybe Malachi Smith? Terrific rebounder and a go to bucket getter. I haven’t seen him announce any kind of list of interested parties, but I’d be very surprised if we haven’t reached out already. This of course would mean someone has to be shown the door unfortunately, but Mosley + Hunter/Smith would be at the top of my wishlist.
Agree! I haven’t seen that we have reached out to Smith, but he is a great player.
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My wishlist in order is Mosley, Hunter, Council, McCullar in terms of who we are known to have reached out to and are in solid standing with.
From what has been shared recently it really seems like we will only have one spot to fill. I won’t go into details since it’s in premium but Bossi was very clear on 247 premium about it.
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@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.
Dude cannot shoot. He doesn’t finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that’s saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.
He’s really slow and methodical. We need some quickness.
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Mercy seen in a draft off CBS that had Ochai going # 7 to the Kings. Mercy , now come on be honest who in Earth would of ever thought Ochai would EVER have a chance to be drafted that high when he 1st stepped foot on Campus?- I figured he would be solid/good but projected at # 7 ? - Jumpin Gee Hossie Fats Maynard.
Also saw they had Christan as the # 25th pick going to the Spurs - - Awesome
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@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.
Dude cannot shoot. He doesn’t finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that’s saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.
He’s really slow and methodical. We need some quickness.
Mosley isn’t exactly quick but whewwwww he is a bucket.
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@BShark the pic of him without his shirt, doesn’t exactly look like he’s been lifting
️. Looks pretty soft. Needs to leave his shirt on. 
he was my choice til I saw that. I think I’ll let coach pick.
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@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.
Dude cannot shoot. He doesn’t finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that’s saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.
He’s really slow and methodical. We need some quickness.
Mosley isn’t exactly quick but whewwwww he is a bucket.
Mosley isn’t quick, but he is just so good offensively… I think we have to have him.
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@jayballer67 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Mercy seen in a draft off CBS that had Ochai going # 7 to the Kings. Mercy , now come on be honest who in Earth would of ever thought Ochai would EVER have a chance to be drafted that high when he 1st stepped foot on Campus?- I figured he would be solid/good but projected at # 7 ? - Jumpin Gee Hossie Fats Maynard.
Also saw they had Christan as the # 25th pick going to the Spurs - - Awesome
That’s awesome! Hopefully that holds. It really speaks to Och’s work ethic and how much he improved during his time here. Also, what a cool story for a Kansas kid out of Burlington who lead his HS team to 3 straight state titles, a natty, and now he gets a chance at the league. So jealous (I’ll just blame my bad jump shot on being 5’8" 165, right?..right…?)!
Definitely gonna miss both of these guys. Especially Christian’s fire. I loved seeing that from a Kansas kid!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
I think I’ll let coach pick.
He likes him.
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We can talk more in about a week @Crimsonorblue22
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@jayballer67 - Ochai to the KINGS? That’s NBA hell!
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@PharmacyHawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
@jayballer67 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Mercy seen in a draft off CBS that had Ochai going # 7 to the Kings. Mercy , now come on be honest who in Earth would of ever thought Ochai would EVER have a chance to be drafted that high when he 1st stepped foot on Campus?- I figured he would be solid/good but projected at # 7 ? - Jumpin Gee Hossie Fats Maynard.
Also saw they had Christan as the # 25th pick going to the Spurs - - Awesome
That’s awesome! Hopefully that holds. It really speaks to Och’s work ethic and how much he improved during his time here. Also, what a cool story for a Kansas kid out of Burlington who lead his HS team to 3 straight state titles, a natty, and now he gets a chance at the league. So jealous (I’ll just blame my bad jump shot on being 5’8" 165, right?..right…?)!
Definitely gonna miss both of these guys. Especially Christian’s fire. I loved seeing that from a Kansas kid!
Boy your right for sure. Och did develop , took his game up another notch again I mean afte watching him knew he was gonna be a good player but in total honesty It is beyond my wildest dreams that he would eve be a 1st round pick in the draft.
Now Christan - - Christan the kid is a whole different story lol. I’m lie you I think anyways at least in some aaspect. - I’ve made mention of this before here and have no problem saying again I like you love Christan’s fire as you say. See I love seeing a kid that shows some emotion, some fire , Cockiness ? -Maybe he does/is Cocky - - so what ? I LOVE a kid that has that edge. There were times when Christan would flush maybe even on someone and he would have no problem letting them know- so what ? - -thats the kids fire as you say his competitiveness coming out in him - - -His well shown where he flash’s the THREE and thumps his chest looks over and says " BITCH " , the kids juices are flowing his fire for the game - - his fire for winning - -his fire for making that big play - I love that. Is that agorrance? Maybe , but thing is if you can throw shade -and you got game to back it up - - - -GOOD FOR YOU - -get some Big boy.
There is people here that don’t like that - -don’t think KU kids should do that - -they say it’s lack of class - -you know what I say that’s BS - it’s a kid that wears his love of the game on his sleeve, I’ll take Christan’s approach , his cockiness , his edge , his competitiveness ANY DAY ALL DAY LONG over so many of these players that make a big shot at a crucial time or a big defensive stand and simply show NO emtion and go the other way like a zombie - I’m like you I think to some part anyways -I LOVE CHRISTANS FIRE and am gonna miss it for sure.
I’m sorry I’ve been here awhile but this is the 1st I’ve seen you - -but really glad your here good to see ya. Always love hearing others views whether you agree or disagree. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Gorilla72 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
@jayballer67 - Ochai to the KINGS? That’s NBA hell!
Boy your right there, seems like we have had other players go there and vanish with them ,BUT the good thing my friend is - -that is just one NBA draft projection hopefully he goes elsewhere
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@jayballer67 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Mercy seen in a draft off CBS that had Ochai going # 7 to the Kings. Mercy , now come on be honest who in Earth would of ever thought Ochai would EVER have a chance to be drafted that high when he 1st stepped foot on Campus?- I figured he would be solid/good but projected at # 7 ? - Jumpin Gee Hossie Fats Maynard. Also saw they had Christan as the # 25th pick going to the Spurs - - Awesome
FFS! NO KINGS!
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Yeah, Kings were not a great franchise for our previous first team All America (BIFM)
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@bskeet was ok for Scot pollard?
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@Crimsonorblue22 That was a long time ago (no offense to Scot! - I’m older than he is… but the franchise today is not what it was.)
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@bskeet I agree!
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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Hmmm https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/1526264300461260800?s=21&t=X_Gd3mqOaXvaI_VTfX3IAQ
https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1526271812560101377?s=20&t=YAPhiahdUmUtvaW5gf5e_A
Highlights from his performance
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@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Hmmm https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/1526264300461260800?s=21&t=X_Gd3mqOaXvaI_VTfX3IAQ
https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1526271812560101377?s=20&t=YAPhiahdUmUtvaW5gf5e_A
Highlights from his performance
Silky smooth
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Dang! Where was that shot?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:
Dang! Where was that shot?
He came on fine late, just started abysmally. I’d like him back but if he blows up he gone.
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Would be pretty devastating to see him go too. But I’d get it.
Really the shame in it would be that they could have landed Schierman but figured JW would be back
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Wilson is an interesting case at the next level. He’s good, and there are guys that he could model his game after, but his limited athleticism mean he has a very narrow and very specific path to NBA success.
His best bet is as Kyle Anderson. The guy is nicknamed “Slo Mo” and comes off the bench for Memphis. He is a good player at the NBA level, but limited athletically to the point where he can’t really be a star, though he will probably have a nice long career.
Wilson is a better athlete than Anderson, but probably not quite as good a shooter, though he certainly could develop into as effective as that in the NBA over time. Anderson developed quickly as a shooter, starting at 21% as a freshman at UCLA, but has been serviceable in the NBA (career 33%). Wilson fits best with a winning team or good organization (think Heat, Spurs, Bucks, Celtics, Suns, Mavs) as opposed to a rebuild (no on Kings, Rockets, Pistons, Knicks, etc.).
The question is whether he’s better off starting that journey now since he’s already 21, or waiting until next year. If he shows good outside touch, its worth being a second rounder because his draft stock won’t improve much because of his age and limited upside, unlike a guy like Agbaji whose athleticism makes it possible that he becomes a high level starter in the NBA (why it made sense for Ochai to return last year but may make sense for Wilson to leave this year).
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@BShark never saw those 3’s, not that many!
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You can see his confidence! With play like that, he may well stay in the draft. I’ll be curious to see what feedback he receives.
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Wilson’s stat-line was 6/10 from the field (4/6 from 3), 18 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 0 turnovers. And also 5 fouls. That’s pretty good. The 3-point shot is obviously a big key to him having success in the NBA. The other key for him I guess would be not being a total liability on defense in the NBA, which… ya. I didn’t watch any of the game, just looked at the box score. The 5 personal fouls may be an indication that he was trying to play defense.
McCormack was 3/6 from the field, 9 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 turnover
McCullar was 1/7 from the field, 4 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals
