Tejas Game Thread
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@kuballin10 just looking out for u
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I’m a little disturbed we couldn’t execute for about 6 straight possessions. But it was the 12th round.
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Yes they let both teams assault about equally.
I don’t like that kind of basketball.
Reminds me of a really shitty regional final I saw I think it was Pitt vs Memphis. That game was in the 50s. These teams deserve better.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 highlighting a 2-3 play stretch and ignoring the last 5-6 minutes is like saying
The chiefs lost to the bills initially because the offense turned it over ignoring the fact dirty dan was atrocious leading to the other teams points
Harris hit two 3’s…that was it. Was completely dominated on both ends from tip to double 00’s
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@bskeet said in Tejas Game Thread:
Yes they let both teams assault about equally.
I don’t like that kind of basketball.
Reminds me of a really shitty regional final I saw I think it was Pitt vs Memphis. That game was in the 50s. These teams deserve better.
You may not like that style of basketball, but don’t try and blame the refs when they call it the same for both teams. The refs did not cost KU this game. Maybe if Braun or Wilson had made a free throw down the stretch, KU wins.
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@FarmerJayhawk nah u being divisive but it’s okay true story though it sucked
I know I wasn’t the only one because I got two texts saying the same thing
Whenever a shot like that happens last 2-3 minutes that team wins 90% of the time
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@kuballin10 said in Tejas Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 highlighting a 2-3 play stretch and ignoring the last 5-6 minutes is like saying
The chiefs lost to the bills initially because the offense turned it over ignoring the fact dirty dan was atrocious leading to the other teams points
Harris hit two 3’s…that was it. Was completely dominated on both ends from tip to double 00’s
We get it, you hate Harris as a player and have a hard on for Yesufu, but he’s not the one who cost KU the game.
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@kuballin10 Also, Harris is not who let Texas get 15 offensive rebounds tonight or take 19 more FG attempts than KU.
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Also, this game is not an isolated event. This seems to be the way the B12 crews are calling things. The tech game that we lost was similar. The KState game we won was similar. And non KU games are being called this way too.
It is not the way the other conferences are officiated.
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@kuballin10 nah I’m good. Same thing I said to a buddy. Just don’t want you to hurt yourself!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 nah it’s Self’s blindness that is asinine
You’re a coach if you can defend 5 on 4 and then on offense tell your players “go right at 3”…what does that tell you about said player?
Flip minutes with Joe we win
He had 1 steal the same 8 pts on 3-4 shooting wish he’d shot Harris 7 times and then multiple defensive plays causing misses
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Shot 58% but missed too many freebies 15/23 especially down the stretch. Och with only 11 points
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Oh well. Goodnight guys.
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Texas plays tough D. Much tougher under this coach than their last couple. With this coach and this school’s resources, they are going to be tough for years to come.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 he sure didn’t box bishop out the way Joe did (Harris didn’t get the board as u know) in his minutes as i in game pointed out to DanR
Yes, farmer feel free to pat me on the back for that one
It’s easy to see what I don’t get is William and his staff are so committed to a nice kid who has massive limitations and changes the way good athletic teams guard us yet we continue.
I’m tired of the we were so close a few plays go our way (yeah let’s be the Alex smith chiefs everything needs to go right agains the 20th ranked team for us to win). U got a D1 athlete on the bench who’s impacting games but is being limited it’s a massive mistake
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We have to figure out how to stop athletes in the mid range.
Timmy went for 24 without taking a 3. Brooks for UK did the same.
You also have to find a secondary scorer if Och is going to get face guarded. There has to at least be a counter punch to that.
We have to find a way to stop big men with a double team that Mitch and KJ can’t guard. Williams and now Mitchell abused us.
Honestly as long as we learn from these things, this will be good in the long run.
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@approxinfinity I’m not we go through spurts but especially against teams that don’t guard our handles the ball the most pg. they dared him to shoot snd drive
It was like us against unc in elite 8 St. Louis
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People drunk posting?
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That’s on Wilson And Braun defensively not good and Allen better athlete
Dave isn’t a legit ku standard big so he’s gonna get dominated on D but that guy was a beast tonight scoring and rebounding and on 1 leg… tip of the cap
If u don’t have the horses athletically in those spots it shows gotta play them elsewhere
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@kuballin10 not ready to take this to a physical place yet sorry. Gotta at least buy me a lobster dinner for that
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@kuballin10 Keep blaming Harris for KU being -2 in rebounds, -9 in in offensive rebounds, -5 in FT’s made, and -8 in turnovers.
And no, I’m not convinced Yesufu was the difference in the game, but since you’re clearly the smartest guy here, of course you couldn’t possibly be wrong about anything because you’ve clearly never been wrong about anything in your life so of course KU would’ve won by 30 had Yesufu played the whole game instead of Harris.
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@tundrahok … someone else’s problem
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@FarmerJayhawk lol filet and lobster…you me and Self who can buy as i school him on how to play the best players, raise the ceiling of the team, give proper leashes from the start and leverage the talent you have versus choosing to attach your horse to guys who will never win a title playing big minutes
You set that up any time or place I’ll be there. Heck I’ll even bring a current nba player if you legit set it up…we can take a picture for proof
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@Texas-Hawk-10 nah 29 at best
He’d been 7-10 with 4 threes…6-7 assists…4 steals and 18 points had he started all year
Nah I’ve been wrong ask @benshawks08 i admitted it on our big 12 finish I had us 3-5th based on early review of play and other teams
Just this you’re right I’m not wrong on and would pay a decent amount to have an honest conversation with William on what he sees, how and why. I’d walk away convinced Harris is the guy because Bill’s smart but still want to see how he doesn’t give the same opportunity
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@kuballin10 said in Tejas Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 nah 29 at best
He’d been 7-10 with 4 threes…6-7 assists…4 steals and 18 points had he started all year
Nah I’ve been wrong ask @benshawks08 i admitted it on our big 12 finish I had us 3-5th based on early review of play and other teams
Just this you’re right I’m not wrong on and would pay a decent amount to have an honest conversation with William on what he sees, how and why. I’d walk away convinced Harris is the guy because Bill’s smart but still want to see how he doesn’t give the same opportunity
I’ll give you the answer right now. Go look at some advanced metrics because Yesufu has not been good on offense this year at all. Harris has been quite a bit better in advanced numbers than Yesufu. A PER that’s sub 5 is flat out terrible and that’s where Yesufu is at in conference play.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 that’s worthless he didn’t even play
Pull from ISU forward and feel free to share the screenshots
Also you are a coach and watch it’s not difficult to see.
Selfs one mistake and you’re out to bench players only hurts their play. He doesn’t let them early on learn through mistakes in game which is the best way to learn light years better than practice. Of course Juan looked better he’s smart had 1 year in the system knew what to expect for Joe it was all new. Coaches job is to get the most out of your talent not cripple it.
In 15 minutes Joe equaled his scoring, kept the proper spacing because they actually guarded him and we both know wouldn’t have been beaten off the dribble 8 times like Harris was tonight.
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From yours truly the phog - We don’t have a PG and we constantly turn it over yet you don’t want to admit the number of turnovers are because players have to create their own shots since our PG can’t distribute or create. In Self’s tenure he’s only better than Tharpe. That’s bad
Let me know Joe’s strengths again. Volume shooter oh you don’t think Self can’t reign that in? Check Remy’s numbers asu vs KU and get back to me…
Joe can do everything Harris can do but better and it ain’t even mother effin close
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Wow. Flying in late here as usual, but very pissed off at that totally irresponsible loss. No question that should have been a win. not an easy win, but a win. Value the ball and possession a few more times and we fly home happy. The end of the first half was an absolute joke. Unforced errors and boneheaded play. incredible.
Texas was amazing the way they guarded and minimized Och. Well played to blanket him and pretty much blanket the 3 pt line. smart D. And boy are we good at making guys All Americans for a night…eff.
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An internet reminder: The ignore button is your friend.
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All down to execution. Missed free throws, fumbling the ball without a shot, an off target lob play. All those plays are plays KU can make. They didn’t and that was the difference
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@mayjay We have an ignore button?
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@Jethro Go to the user profile, and click on the 3 dots. Actually “Block user”. Blocks the user from DM-ing you and keeps their posts from showing up. Does not stop you from seeing posts quoted by others.
Very nice stress saver. You can undo it, too, and read the blocked stuff later if you are feeling masochistic.
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@mayjay Ok…very good! Thank you very much.
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Wow, the ignore feature really cleans up the room. It’s like taking out the trash!
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Conclusion: 0 star rating, would not recommend
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Can someone explain the end of game through Self’s eyes?
Dave is on one leg, been great but the physicality and whistle swallowing on our end was evident.
Self thinks get a shot closest to the basket and that’s Dave even though he’d gotten clobbered missed and we’d all been mad why it wasn’t pick and roll with Ochai bringing it up and Braun popping.
Other option: elevator screen action All eyes were on Och all game I’d run the play for him let Wilson fake the screen and roll to the rim…layup.
Texas would be focusing on Ochai the defender following him all over than having to stop, pass him off and go oh crap I need to switch in which he’d freeze for a second. Works every time
In the biggest minutes guys are over aggressive on D…backdoor plays and little slips will win 90% of the time.
William calls these during the game but where coaches make their impact is those late game situations when your players can’t manufacture a play on their own.
Prioritizing though the closest to the basket yet guarded Dave shot versus top 10-20 pick having the ball in his hands is 100% why we’d deserve to lose.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Tejas Game Thread:
All down to execution. Missed free throws, fumbling the ball without a shot, an off target lob play. All those plays are plays KU can make. They didn’t and that was the difference
Those things you mentioned and then getting our ass beat on the boards like on 3-4 consecutive rips at cruical point of the ball game where we were either up 2 or tied and Texas which is a poor rebounding team got like 3hots per possession and would end up getting the score they needs - -Hanni ?- -& Gurley kept mentioning at the time and were right -grab the dm ball holy crap you can’t get a rebound.- But these points were the reasons - -Well that and then when you have a guy throw up a prayer with 1:06 left in the game and just a prayer that banks off the backboard almost breaks the back board rolls around and goes in . - -Even he knew his prayer had been answered turning around couldn’t keep from laughing.
That was the same guy that when McCormack went out they went to him like 4-5 straight times down the floor and he just schooled Light foot and Adams foulded EVERYTIME & went 8-8 from the stripe at the time - - just sad
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@jayballer67 can’t ignore Texas shooting 3-20 from deep. They can easily say from their viewpoint had we made just our average of 32-33% we win going away and beat a team who shot 58% on us but the goal of slowing down 30 and 2 worked and forcing role players to try to carry the load to beat us
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CB missing 2 free throws as a 80% shooter, hard to excuse. Dave missed front end of 1 and 1, not really close. Och’s pass and Dejaun’s fumble just highlighted a night full of issues.
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My first foray into chatting about KU sports was on a CBS sports message board where fans of all teams would go and basically talk some trash many years ago. One of the most interesting characters was a guy who was a Villanova fan. He would argue with a guy that was a Louisville fan all the time, and I began to notice other Villanova fans would jump in and attack the Louie guy together. It was weird because you’d never see these other “Nova” fans on the board unless the dude was in a rumble. So I started to watch these other fans and the Nova guy, and noticed they seemed to be the same person saying the same things. Then I noticed other fans coming onto the board coming for the BIG East conference ( 1 Creighton fan, one Seton Hall fan, and another college- don’t remember which) and all of them would have long chats about the BIG East. Long story short- this psychopath had about 10 accounts, and would literally have conversations with himself about the Big East. If he got sideways with somebody, his whole fake team would descend on them. I honestly suspected it, but didn’t know for sure until CBS Sports started having moderators in the room (a new thing at that time), and they busted him. He had accounts for several different BIG East schools, a Gonzaga account, and like 6 or 7 different Villanova accounts.
So, when you see supposed “fans” that do nothing but insult the coach and the team 24/7, maybe they aren’t really fans…maybe they’re trolls looking to get us to overreact. Thank God we have a way with the ignore button to silence them. RCJHGKU!
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@kuballin10 said in Tejas Game Thread:
Can someone explain the end of game through Self’s eyes?
Dave is on one leg, been great but the physicality and whistle swallowing on our end was evident.
Self thinks get a shot closest to the basket and that’s Dave even though he’d gotten clobbered missed and we’d all been mad why it wasn’t pick and roll with Ochai bringing it up and Braun popping.
Other option: elevator screen action All eyes were on Och all game I’d run the play for him let Wilson fake the screen and roll to the rim…layup.
Texas would be focusing on Ochai the defender following him all over than having to stop, pass him off and go oh crap I need to switch in which he’d freeze for a second. Works every time
In the biggest minutes guys are over aggressive on D…backdoor plays and little slips will win 90% of the time.
William calls these during the game but where coaches make their impact is those late game situations when your players can’t manufacture a play on their own.
Prioritizing though the closest to the basket yet guarded Dave shot versus top 10-20 pick having the ball in his hands is 100% why we’d deserve to lose.
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I agree there probably had to be something better to end the game but having Och bring the ball up is NOT it. He’s shown over and over again that is not his game.
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If the elevator screen decoy idea worked every time why would any team run anything else ever?
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The initial play call to get the ball in och’s hands worked perfectly and a tad more loft on och’s pass and dave is dunking.
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I got really confused reading you call self William because I thought you were referring to Williams (the former coach) and could not figure out what point you were trying to make there!
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In one thread you are criticizing Self’s play calling to end the game because “where coaches make their impact is those late game situations” while in another you say, “Plays dont score the players do Guards win in March.” Curious…
I’m actually glad we lost another close one coming down the stretch because it can refocus the team on the importance of execution. We’d had a nice little stretch of playing well to end the game and some of that can come down to luck if everyone is honest. The luck of that bank 3. The luck of that Harris pass being tipped in. A rebound bouncing over a guy who had the better position. Missed calls this way, a charge/block that way. Etc.
I’m also glad we lost this one rather than the baylor game on saturday (though winning them both would obviously be ideal).
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Check the iSU game thread plenty complimentary of Missouri St recruit Harris there
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@benshawks08 said in Tejas Game Thread:
@kuballin10 said in Tejas Game Thread:
Can someone explain the end of game through Self’s eyes?
Dave is on one leg, been great but the physicality and whistle swallowing on our end was evident.
Self thinks get a shot closest to the basket and that’s Dave even though he’d gotten clobbered missed and we’d all been mad why it wasn’t pick and roll with Ochai bringing it up and Braun popping.
Other option: elevator screen action All eyes were on Och all game I’d run the play for him let Wilson fake the screen and roll to the rim…layup.
Texas would be focusing on Ochai the defender following him all over than having to stop, pass him off and go oh crap I need to switch in which he’d freeze for a second. Works every time
In the biggest minutes guys are over aggressive on D…backdoor plays and little slips will win 90% of the time.
William calls these during the game but where coaches make their impact is those late game situations when your players can’t manufacture a play on their own.
Prioritizing though the closest to the basket yet guarded Dave shot versus top 10-20 pick having the ball in his hands is 100% why we’d deserve to lose.
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I agree there probably had to be something better to end the game but having Och bring the ball up is NOT it. He’s shown over and over again that is not his game.
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If the elevator screen decoy idea worked every time why would any team run anything else ever?
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The initial play call to get the ball in och’s hands worked perfectly and a tad more loft on och’s pass and dave is dunking.
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I got really confused reading you call self William because I thought you were referring to Williams (the former coach) and could not figure out what point you were trying to make there!
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In one thread you are criticizing Self’s play calling to end the game because “where coaches make their impact is those late game situations” while in another you say, “Plays dont score the players do Guards win in March.” Curious…
I’m actually glad we lost another close one coming down the stretch because it can refocus the team on the importance of execution. We’d had a nice little stretch of playing well to end the game and some of that can come down to luck if everyone is honest. The luck of that bank 3. The luck of that Harris pass being tipped in. A rebound bouncing over a guy who had the better position. Missed calls this way, a charge/block that way. Etc.
I’m also glad we lost this one rather than the baylor game on saturday (though winning them both would obviously be ideal).
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och scored 3 times driving hard right beating his guy off the dribble and the help coming
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och isn’t a good lob thrower but William knew he is the only guy who could beat his man off the dribble
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William must draw up a winning play when his players can’t make one. Players must execute said play. That’s what William banks on. It’s why mid major Harris plays over Joe because he’d claim he doesn’t know the entire offense.
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the oh $h$t tight end blocks then leaks out backside works every time at the goal line. Same for any double screen and have one guy fake and roll. Cant run it every time but you save it for certain situations. When it’s ran it works but if you run it every play down then no off course it’s not gonna work. You hardly ever run it or run it once/twice a game element of surprise wins.
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Goal is a title, little 10 is a nice stepping stone but this team will lose the way it did last night against a good athletic team in sweet 16. We constantly turned it over except when Joe was in the game. Because our pg doesn’t attack (what I praised him for at isu) and it puts the ball in playmakers hands in poor positions. Combine that with the other team literally not guarding you and then draw up the playbook so they run ball screen action, post ups and drives right at you…yeah it’s a problem.
What’s truly frustrating and my entire gripe on this is William is going to start him from now until he graduates which is insane. It’s a long term stunting of this teams growth. He’s worse than Tharpe, Tharpe’s last year here statistically. And due to stubbornness and being “liked” (I mean our coach literally has a teachers pet it’s comical) he will always start.
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@Jethro said in Tejas Game Thread:
My first foray into chatting about KU sports was on a CBS sports message board where fans of all teams would go and basically talk some trash many years ago. One of the most interesting characters was a guy who was a Villanova fan. He would argue with a guy that was a Louisville fan all the time, and I began to notice other Villanova fans would jump in and attack the Louie guy together. It was weird because you’d never see these other “Nova” fans on the board unless the dude was in a rumble. So I started to watch these other fans and the Nova guy, and noticed they seemed to be the same person saying the same things. Then I noticed other fans coming onto the board coming for the BIG East conference ( 1 Creighton fan, one Seton Hall fan, and another college- don’t remember which) and all of them would have long chats about the BIG East. Long story short- this psychopath had about 10 accounts, and would literally have conversations with himself about the Big East. If he got sideways with somebody, his whole fake team would descend on them. I honestly suspected it, but didn’t know for sure until CBS Sports started having moderators in the room (a new thing at that time), and they busted him. He had accounts for several different BIG East schools, a Gonzaga account, and like 6 or 7 different Villanova accounts.
So, when you see supposed “fans” that do nothing but insult the coach and the team 24/7, maybe they aren’t really fans…maybe they’re trolls looking to get us to overreact. Thank God we have a way with the ignore button to silence them. RCJHGKU!
wish I could find that button and exercise it
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@jayballer67 Click on the person’s name you want to block. Their profile page comes up. On the upper right, there will be 3 small dots…click on them. It will say “block user”. Click on that.
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Got this from another site I belong to and a fan brought this up and think he makes a very valid point. - - WE shoot 58/56 % from the field- -Texas shoots 41 % - - Texas goes 3-20 from the three.
Why in the hell Didn’t Coach go to a Zone isn’t a goal to expose the other teams weakness , things that will help you win. - -Like he said we know Coach wants the team to show toughness , and hates playing a zone - -but sometimes a new look especially when you see that the other team is really struggling from that area - -take it - -use it to your advantage, also keeps them from rebounding even further - -Dam come on now, sometimes you got to do what you need to do.
There is no excuse when you shoot that much better from the field to get beat. - - Texas is not that much of an offensive team, they average 68.2 per game, goes to show also how bad our defense is - -they score right at 80 on us. - -how long had it been since they had done that. - -two glaring mistakes --Rebounds and defense
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@Jethro said in Tejas Game Thread:
@jayballer67 Click on the person’s name you want to block. Their profile page comes up. On the upper right, there will be 3 small dots…click on them. It will say “block user”. Click on that.
Awesome , thanks buddy
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@jayballer67 said in Tejas Game Thread:
Got this from another site I belong to and a fan brought this up and think he makes a very valid point. - - WE shoot 58/56 % from the field- -Texas shoots 41 % - - Texas goes 3-20 from the three.
Why in the hell Didn’t Coach go to a Zone isn’t a goal to expose the other teams weakness , things that will help you win. - -Like he said we know Coach wants the team to show toughness , and hates playing a zone - -but sometimes a new look especially when you see that the other team is really struggling from that area - -take it - -use it to your advantage, also keeps them from rebounding even further - -Dam come on now, sometimes you got to do what you need to do.
There is no excuse when you shoot that much better from the field to get beat. - - Texas is not that much of an offensive team, they average 68.2 per game, goes to show also how bad our defense is - -they score right at 80 on us. - -how long had it been since they had done that. - -two glaring mistakes --Rebounds and defense
I think because in theory it’s even harder to defensive rebound in a zone because in man2man it’s each individual’s responsibility to but a body on your man. In zone, you have to look first to see who is in your area. The first shot d was not a problem. The scout must have said let that one big shoot all the threes he wants and it worked. Problem was as you stated, we got beat to the long rebounds when they mattered most. Don’t think zone would have stopped that.
I’d add to the “glaring mistakes” unforced turnovers. Texas wasn’t really filling the passing lanes or stripping guys clean. It was mostly us fumbling drives, passing to people who aren’t looking, forcing passes into guarded areas. Texas did a good job clogging things up but Ku didn’t have to chuck it in the mud with them.
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@kuballin10 “We constantly turned it over except when Joe was in the game.”
This is a joke, right? Joe was in for all of 2 minutes without Harris and I’m fairly confident that was a 2 minute span where we got absolutely destroyed in the first half because of turnovers.
I’m in agreement with you that Yes is a weapon and needs to be utilized, but he still isn’t ready to run the team. It’s great that he can give Braun and Och a breather without the house falling down, but the house collapsed when he was taking over for Harris.
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So looking at the bigger picture with less angry eyes today … There were really no major complaints about last night. texas played excellent defense. Rarely can i recall saying this about a KU team, but it was a zillion individual things that did us in last night. Just about each and everybody had their own “oh shit!” moment. a turnover, dumbly dribbling into a crowd with no way out (a trend for Wilson), a bad lob pass, dribbling it of your knee and out of bounds (JCL. who didn’t see that coming a mile away?), a great rebound (dave) followed by a WTF how did that happen tie up, Wilson chucking it into Harris’ back, and the list goes on and on. That’s it. sums it up. Not poorly played otherwise IMO. Ok, we could have done better to get Och open, but i digress.
