2021 Transfer Talk/List
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@BShark Do you have any guards in mind other than TyTy?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Well we aren’t getting TyTy.
David Collins, Bryce Hamilton and Daejon Davis are potentially real options. We will know a lot more on Collins by the end of the week.
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I am going to say it everyone, so go ahead and crucify me. I - and I respect him as a player - don’t want Marcus to return. Don’t think it would be beneficial for him or the team.
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@Marco Double upvote. Maybe triple.
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@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@KirkIsMyHinrich Well we aren’t getting TyTy.
David Collins, Bryce Hamilton and Daejon Davis are potentially real options. We will know a lot more on Collins by the end of the week.
Cool. I think I’d want Davis the most out of that group. I like the defense and efficiency.
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
People are worried and all I can think is we are returning the 3 best players from a top 15 team (Och, Jalen and Dave) and adding Yesufu, Pettiford and post depth.
And that is at a minimum.
I think we will be much improved.
All we talked about all year was needing a guy who can get to the basket. Check.
Post depth. Addressed.
About the only thing missing is adding shooters, but something tells me our 3pt woes can improve pretty drastically in house once you add a real PG to the rotation for 40 minutes and subtract Garrett (God please).
People think our shooting was bad - but it wasn’t REALLY the starters. A good chunk of our woes were from a complete lack of offensive fire power off the bench.
- Enaruna - .245
- Bryce - .222
- TFG - .130
Dajaun only took one three per 40 minutes on the floor so he wasn’t exactly coming in to be the spark on offense.
Our shitty shooting really was the starters. Enaruna, Bryce, and TGF only took 81 out of 663 3 point attempts. Don’t try and blame three guys who only took 12% of KU’s outside attempts for KU being a bad shooting team.
Christian Braun and Jalen Wilson are the two biggest reasons KU’s shooting was shit last year. Braun was 34% on 153 attempts and Wilson was 33.3% on 120 attempts. Those two combined to take about 41% of KU’s outside attempts and only made 33.7% of their attempts combined. That’s where the trouble with shooting last was, Braun and Wilson.
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@Marco said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
I am going to say it everyone, so go ahead and crucify me. I - and I respect him as a player - don’t want Marcus to return. Don’t think it would be beneficial for him or the team.
Why? I get it that he wasn’t very prolific this year but I think its a bit unfair to use this year as the measuring stick. It was just overall a bad team that didn’t gel well and had very little top end talent. Marcus was great the year before when DD was running point. We were #1 in the country and odds on favorite to win it all. I would absolutely take that guard setup again if we can get a Dotson-esk PG back in the fold and a more experienced Marcus back in the role as the 2. What am i missing?
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@BShark Please no on Collins, he’s gotten worse every season shooting. 50% as a freshman down to down to 42% last year. He was 71% from the FT line as a freshman and was down to 55% last season. Hard pass on Collins. KU doesn’t need another guard who can’t shoot.
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Garrett was absolutely miscast this year. If we are losing Ochai I would love to have Garrett back playing on the wing over the transfer options. I also know he is a trap for Bill so it’s kind of a double edged sword.
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@RockkChalkk Garrett is a crutch for Bill. The type of player on the roster that let’s Bill be “comfortable.”
He doesn’t have to manufacture points or make the offense better if he can just play Garrett 35 mpg and have a rock fight. He’s good at rock fights.
But Bill Self rock fight teams have historically performed poorly in the tournament.
Garrett was a great hawk and an exceptional defender, but honestly I think we are better off playing 5 on 5 on the offensive side of the ball. You know Bill will make the defense work even if he played 5 walk-ons.
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
You know Bill will make the defense work even if he played 5 walk-ons.
12th ranked ADJD with the group this year… Bill could have a bag of rocks and land in the top 25.
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I hear you. But to be fair, playing Garrett isn’t the reason we didn’t have scoring. There wasn’t another option on the roster. This year’s team was missing a lot of pieces. Its just hard to keep up when you see the rest of the team getting knocked for their (lack of) defense - i.e. Wilson, but are also presumably happy to see a defensive player of the year caliber starter move on.
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I’d take Garrett the wing back in a heartbeat. If he can replicate what he did off the ball in 19-20 while maintaining his improvement from the line he’s definitely one of the best players in the league.
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@RockkChalkk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
I hear you. But to be fair, playing Garrett isn’t the reason we didn’t have scoring. There wasn’t another option on the roster. This year’s team was missing a lot of pieces. Its just hard to keep up when you see the rest of the team getting knocked for their (lack of) defense - i.e. Wilson, but are also presumably happy to see a defensive player of the year caliber starter move on.
I like to call last year’s roster “oops all wings”.
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@RockkChalkk I have had my same thoughts for the entire 3 years of Garrett starting… So maybe I simply have a bias.
I just think scoring a basketball is more important trait than stopping someone else from scoring. When you don’t need Garrett to score because he’s playing next to two NBA players, then having him play D is great.
If you don’t have that, you need Garrett to be a threat. And he just isn’t.
Would I be pissed if Garrett came back? No. But knowing what we have in Garrett vs. what is behind door #2 I’ll take my chances with door #2 is all I’m saying.
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Harris and Yesufu are good enough to man the PG spot next year with Garrett playing off the ball. Harris and Garrett were a very solid combo last year with Harris as the lead guard and Garrett playing off the ball.
Garrett playing off the ball allows him to play his defense and be the NDPOY caliber defender that we didn’t always see last season.
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https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1382121507250270209
New top want. Total stud, long line etc
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oh hai
Not a great shooter but certainly can improve when he’s not the #1 option.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
oh hai
Not a great shooter but certainly can improve when he’s not the #1 option.
Seeing that he was an Adidas kid as well. Hmm hmm hmm.
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@BShark This is the one Bill needs to land.
I’m good with Collins too off the bench. But Williams fits a need and seems like the type of player to fit with Self. Very active on D.
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And he was only a freshman this season. I’m sure everyone wants him though.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Just gonna mention the timing is interesting here. Shortly after the Bryce news, and the transfer caught the Wyoming coaches off guard.
And of course as mentioned, Adidas kid which is not to be undersold here as Yesufu and Bobby are Adidas all the way as well.
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It would certainly be a nice player to get, because we would probably have him for multiple years. Him being Adidas makes me think KU has a shot.
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Veciene’s take over at The Athletic, “He’s a terrific athlete who can create a shot from all three levels. More of an adept shooter than a truly good one, that will be the biggest growth area for him as he continues his development. If he can lock down that skill, he should turn into a legitimate high-major all-conference player. NBA scouts reached out early in the season with some interest, too, after averaging nearly 20 points and six assists in his first five collegiate games. With four years left in his eligibility, he’s one of the more valuable players available now. He’ll have interest across the country.”
WANT
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How on earth did he end up at Wyoming? But yeah that’s being rectified I am sure he ends up at a P5 school.
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@FarmerJayhawk He is my new top want and I don’t think it’s close.
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Kyler Edwards to Houston.
Aundre Hyatt a very active 3/4 man in the portal from LSU. he would be intriguing
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Yes please 1,000 times. How did this kid end up at Wyoming? wow
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@FarmerJayhawk if garrett comes back there are going to be a lot of disappointed players on the team. Self is putting together the equivalent of 2 rosters but will most likely only play half of it. The other half of the roster is going to be in shock when they figure it out
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David Collins will have a zoom call with Kansas today
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Jalen’s friend Devion Harmon in the portal.
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@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
Jalen’s friend Devion Harmon in the portal.
Self should definitely look into that.
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@BeddieKU23 The rumors are hot and heavy right now. Harmon still going through the NBA draft testing process.
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OU people thought he was coming back as of like 5 days ago so something changed. I hope we tampered tbh.
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@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@BeddieKU23 The rumors are hot and heavy right now. Harmon still going through the NBA draft testing process.
No brainer in my mind to get him
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@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@FarmerJayhawk He is my new top want and I don’t think it’s close.
I just think we have ANYMORE Scholi’s to offer do we? - -With Cuffe re-classifying , pretty well take any thought of Marcus coming back - -I think we are full aren’t we ?
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@jayballer67 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@FarmerJayhawk He is my new top want and I don’t think it’s close.
I just think we have ANYMORE Scholi’s to offer do we? - -With Cuffe re-classifying , pretty well take any thought of Marcus coming back - -I think we are full aren’t we ?
We still have 1 open. If Wilson and or OA do not come back we could have 2-3.
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@Woodrow said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@jayballer67 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@FarmerJayhawk He is my new top want and I don’t think it’s close.
I just think we have ANYMORE Scholi’s to offer do we? - -With Cuffe re-classifying , pretty well take any thought of Marcus coming back - -I think we are full aren’t we ?
We still have 1 open. If Wilson and or OA do not come back we could have 2-3.
We still have 1 even with Cuffe ? - - ok cool thanks. We have been having so much movement can’t keep up - -I am beginning to thinking with ALL this better chance of Ochai - - NOT coming back
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We have two because Ochai is gooooone.
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@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
We have two because Ochai is gooooone.
you sound really Confident that he is
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Has then anymore about the possibility of Bishop ?
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@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
We have two because Ochai is gooooone.
I get that guys go pro for different reasons, but there is not one reputable draft expert that has Ochai even getting drafted. Chad Ford just released his top 65 prospects and he nor Wilson were listed. It just seems insane to me that he is going to go to the combine ( if he gets invited) and be told he will not be drafted and keep his name in.
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@Woodrow Yeah I know and I’d rather have him back but I’ve been told to expect that Ochai will leave and Jalen will be back. Will be interesting to see how things shake out.
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@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@RockkChalkk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
I hear you. But to be fair, playing Garrett isn’t the reason we didn’t have scoring. There wasn’t another option on the roster. This year’s team was missing a lot of pieces. Its just hard to keep up when you see the rest of the team getting knocked for their (lack of) defense - i.e. Wilson, but are also presumably happy to see a defensive player of the year caliber starter move on.
I like to call last year’s roster “oops all wings”.
Nice. I’d like to call them “not-so-spicy-wings” or “I’ve had better wings.”
Or maybe “All wings, no flight”.
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KU has reached out to Marcus Williams
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It’s Shay so TIFWIW
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@BShark I don’t want someone who progressively got worse every season. Collins is an offensive black hole at the mid major level and would be a waste of a scholarship at KU.
Collins is a high volume shooter who can’t shoot and KU can doicj better than David Collins.
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@Woodrow said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:
We have two because Ochai is gooooone.
I get that guys go pro for different reasons, but there is not one reputable draft expert that has Ochai even getting drafted. Chad Ford just released his top 65 prospects and he nor Wilson were listed. It just seems insane to me that he is going to go to the combine ( if he gets invited) and be told he will not be drafted and keep his name in.
If Ochai gets the feedback that he likely wouldn’t improve his draft stock coming back, like what happened with Selden after his junior year, then Ochai leaving is the right decision.
