@BeddieKU23 the roster is going to go 13-15 deep with players who are all legit or better P5 players. a whole bunch of them are not going to play. a whole bunch of them are going to be disappointed when they figure that out. Self isnt messing around and trying to keep players happy. there will be a number of unhappy players because Self is not doing it Roy’s way. Roy would get 7-8 legit dudes then surround with role players. Self has a dozen guys who could start at most schools. so half of them are going to find out they aren’t starters at kansas. Bryce may not play much this year either. self is bringing in guards who are expecting to play. they can’t all play a lot. honestly i can see bryce transferring if he doesn’t beat the transfers out for playing time

@bskeet ochai is what he is. he hasn’t improved that much in 3 years. another few months is not going to change him. he will be in the same position next year as he is this year. if he wants another year of college fine, but he’s not going to improve his status much. He hasn’t the last 3 years. the word is if he would have left after year 1 he would have been picked higher than he ever will after hanging around for so long. it looks like it was probably a mistake by draft measures to not leave after year 1

@AsadZ jalen isnt going anywhere. this is routine procedure for most of Selfs players

@drgnslayr said in Ochai:

Och is doing the right thing… testing the waters. He will learn where his game needs to improve. He is nowhere near ready for the NBA. I think this move will help him and KU next year because he will focus on improving his weak areas.

He’s going to have to be a lot more aggressive in his play and put up bigger numbers… especially in crunch games.

no he’s not. he’s been focusing on improving his weak areas for 3 years. his numbers were just fine this year and probably wont improve much. Self plays a team offense that will spread the scoring around and still focus on Mccormick. I believe Och will always be a very solid player but always be a secondary scorer on any team. i think his draft status next year will look very similar to his status this year. He probably should have left after his freshman season when he was in most mock drafts based on his future projections

a little surprised on bryce but not shocked. the injuries held him back and i dont think he’s in line for a lot more time next year. he needs to go somewhere he can start and develop and he might be a stud in a couple years. Self isnt going to waste time waiting for someone to develop

@drgnslayr this is simply a marketing and recruiting tool. Kansas intentionally labeled it a lifetime contract to send a message to recruits. it is no more a lifetime contract than many other similar contracts given to coaches. kansas needs to send a message to recruits so they opted to call it a lifetime contract. that doesn’t mean its any different than other contracts out in the market that no one ever bothered to call a lifetime contract. if bill self wants to leave he will leave. if ku wants to get rid of him in 5 years they can.

@Fightsongwriter what’s the percentage of players who dont hire an agent who come back to school? i dont know but it seems like its fairly high. If the player has doubts you can be sure the NBA has doubts. He isnt going to hear what he wants to hear next year either.

@bskeet umm no its not. as other posters have said. His minutes and point production might actually go DOWN next year because of all the new bodies being brought into the program. more competition is great for the coaches but sucks for the players.

@BShark Self can’t sign everyone. he already has too many players to keep happy. he is going to have a lot of transfers already.

@FarmerJayhawk if garrett comes back there are going to be a lot of disappointed players on the team. Self is putting together the equivalent of 2 rosters but will most likely only play half of it. The other half of the roster is going to be in shock when they figure it out

@Kcmatt7 its going to be hard to keep 13 good players on the roster. its just impossible to offer opportunity to that many players unless half of them are seniors. There is really not a big need to fill up 13 scholarships because a few of them will end up leaving anyway. it always amazes me how many recruits will continue to sign on with programs that dont really offer much opportunity and its crystal clear. The kid’s hearts are bigger than their brains.

a little surprised on bryce but not shocked. the injuries held him back and i dont think he’s in line for a lot more time next year. he needs to go somewhere he can start and develop and he might be a stud in a couple years. Self isnt going to waste time waiting for someone to develop

@bskeet umm no its not. as other posters have said. His minutes and point production might actually go DOWN next year because of all the new bodies being brought into the program. more competition is great for the coaches but sucks for the players.

@drgnslayr said in Ochai:

Och is doing the right thing… testing the waters. He will learn where his game needs to improve. He is nowhere near ready for the NBA. I think this move will help him and KU next year because he will focus on improving his weak areas.

He’s going to have to be a lot more aggressive in his play and put up bigger numbers… especially in crunch games.

no he’s not. he’s been focusing on improving his weak areas for 3 years. his numbers were just fine this year and probably wont improve much. Self plays a team offense that will spread the scoring around and still focus on Mccormick. I believe Och will always be a very solid player but always be a secondary scorer on any team. i think his draft status next year will look very similar to his status this year. He probably should have left after his freshman season when he was in most mock drafts based on his future projections

@Bosthawk nah me neither. i think this is simply a case once again of players wanting some spotlight and attention that comes with the announcement. then they find out they would be the 65th pick and they come back. this is now almost an annual announcement for almost any P5 starter. it doesn’t even mean he doesn’t already know he’s coming back

@tis4tim well obviously its better for Self to have starting talent sitting on the bench. but none of them except maybe Lightfoot considers themself a bench player. and thats what will result in some transfers once some of these recruits figure out they miscalculated their odds of getting significant playing time.

@BeddieKU23 the roster is going to go 13-15 deep with players who are all legit or better P5 players. a whole bunch of them are not going to play. a whole bunch of them are going to be disappointed when they figure that out. Self isnt messing around and trying to keep players happy. there will be a number of unhappy players because Self is not doing it Roy’s way. Roy would get 7-8 legit dudes then surround with role players. Self has a dozen guys who could start at most schools. so half of them are going to find out they aren’t starters at kansas. Bryce may not play much this year either. self is bringing in guards who are expecting to play. they can’t all play a lot. honestly i can see bryce transferring if he doesn’t beat the transfers out for playing time

@AsadZ jalen isnt going anywhere. this is routine procedure for most of Selfs players