Not paying for ESPN this year
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@Jhawk69 I think about 90% of the mainstream media needs fired at this point. All they do is push their own agenda mostly with lies.
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I think the best thing about this has been the hypocritical nature it has brought out in everyone.
The party of free speech and legalizing comedy is suddenly for state-forced censorship.
The party for cancel culture and has been spouting the line “freedom of speech does not meean freedom of consequences” is now mad that phrase is proving to be true.
FCC shouldn’t be censoring this. People celebrating an assasination shouldn’t be surprised to get fired from their jobs. Two things can be true. Jmo
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@kjayhawks No I didn’t care about random people being fired for spreading hate online and getting fired. I’m also not upset if that happens to people promoting violence today lose their job. Seems pretty consistent to me, why do you think I am being hypocritical? Do you have any examples where Biden’s administration was directly threatening a company to fire someone over something they said? I sincerely would like to know if you have this as I would also be against that.
In your own postings, you lament the right wing getting censored and are OK with the left media getting censored. How is that not the exact hypocrisy you claim to hate?
@Kcmatt7 Agreed, but it is important to highlight that the FCC censoring people is a significantly bigger deal than private citizens being shitty people online.
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This whole thing is a business deal wrapped in political ideology.
There’s a long-standing FCC law that prevents the accumulation of media properties that reach in excess of 39% of all US households.
Nexstar (a media group owning and operating many ABC stations) is interested in buying another company that would result in a violation of this FCC rule. The rule exists to limit concentration of media influence.
The announcement to preempt Kimmel was a tactic to ingratiate themselves with the FCC chair so that he will make an exception to the rule. Hey, it worked for CBS (see, Colbert).
If you think the media conglomerates are already too big and have too much influence, then you should be pretty concerned about what is really going down behind all of this hand-waving about comedians.
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This is classic wag the dog.
This is not really about Kimmel and Kirk. However, the focus on them is really helpful to those want to continue to concentrate power.
Regardless of how you feel about Kirk, or really any person, it’s not right for their death and memory to be exploited and manipulated in this manner (for profit).
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@MR11 said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
@Kcmatt7 Agreed, but it is important to highlight that the FCC censoring people is a significantly bigger deal than private citizens being shitty people online.
Don’t disagree there. Crazy times
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@bskeet said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
This is classic wag the dog.
This is not really about Kimmel and Kirk. However, the focus on them is really helpful to those want to continue to concentrate power.
Regardless of how you feel about Kirk, or really any person, it’s not right for their death and memory to be exploited and manipulated in this manner.
Whole thing has been disgusting. Every bit of it.
On the bright side I do own some Intel stock. Was finally in on one of the government grifts! (I’m still down like 10% on my initial investment lol).
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I appreciate hearing everyones thoughts. Much the same as mine but more eloquently put.
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oooops my bad I thought was a sports topic, I’ll show my way out
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@kjayhawks encourage you to watch the clip of Kimmel. Theres nothing there.
@bskeet business masquerading as politics doesnt feel any less sinister, but youre right.
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@approxinfinity said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
encourage you to watch the clip of Kimmel. Theres nothing there.
Not only is there nothing there, but I’ve seen different clips used as the example. Exactly what is the offensive quote? I have not seen the text specified from ABC, NextStar, etc.
Lots of speculation and fervor which seems invited and encouraged by those that need a smokescreen.
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The last two administrations have been downright awful on speech. The Biden administration went after the social media giants, threatening antitrust actions and other regulatory measures for them not having administration approved moderation policies. Then obviously the FCC has taken that attitude a step further. I’m a big supporter of the organization FIRE and their mission. I’ve written in the past about important Supreme Court cases in this area like Bantam Books, NRA vs. Vullo, and Murthy v. Missouri. The key point is government attempting to coerce private actors into suppressing speech is clearly a violation of the First Amendment and we ought to condemn them no matter which political side you’re on.
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kimmels rating sucked. It was just an excuse. No one likes the overly political late night “comedians”. This way woke Disney can blame it on the right. psy-ops and it appears to be working.
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It has nothing to do with ratings. It has little to do with Kirk except that it’s a useful (opportunistic) narrative.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
Murthy v. Missouri
The decision on this was 24 hours before the announcement. Possibly emboldened the key players (FCC chair, NextStar, etc.)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Alitio wrote the dissenting opinion.
This group is counting on the public to focus on the trees and not the forest.
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@bskeet Murthy was decided over a year ago.
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@FarmerJayhawk Thx-- got mixed up with something else
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@dylans said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
kimmels rating sucked. It was just an excuse. No one likes the overly political late night “comedians”. This way woke Disney can blame it on the right. psy-ops and it appears to be working.That’s the other part to the equation, who knows if there is merit to it.
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@dylans well that and the company that owns a bunch of ABC affiliates has a major acquisition in front of the administration for approval and this administration is clear that if you want to do business you have to kiss the ass of Trump
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@approxinfinity my issue isn’t necessarily that he said it. It’s the fact that it is completely false and I think that is dangerous when you have people assassinating people on false pretenses that everyone that sees the world differently is a Nazi or evil. The funny thing is about Kimmel is he was plenty racist and sexist when he got his start on TV with the man show, even did black face.
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Also just going to drop this in here. Coase was right 65 years ago, we don’t need a FCC. https://web.stanford.edu/~dntse/papers/coase.pdf
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Brian Kilmeade says lets execute homeless people and is still spewing insanity on the insanity network.
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@kjayhawks said:
my issue isn’t necessarily that he said it. It’s the fact that it is completely false
My dude. We are talking about Kimmel getting canceled and why… right?
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@approxinfinity yes spreading false information on national Television should get you fired. A 100% of the time imo.
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@kjayhawks Unless you are president?
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@mayjay oh, SNAP!
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@mayjay I’d be fine with that as well, ain’t been a president that hasn’t lied to the people in my life time.
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@dylans said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
kimmels rating sucked. It was just an excuse. No one likes the overly political late night “comedians”. This way woke Disney can blame it on the right. psy-ops and it appears to be working.FCC chair is on podcasts and national TV threatening to revoke ABC’s license cause of Kimmel.
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You guys find an honest politician let me know, sounds more like a unicorn… not real
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@kjayhawks said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
@approxinfinity my issue isn’t necessarily that he said it. It’s the fact that it is completely false and I think that is dangerous when you have people assassinating people on false pretenses that everyone that sees the world differently is a Nazi or evil. The funny thing is about Kimmel is he was plenty racist and sexist when he got his start on TV with the man show, even did black face.
“The MAGA Gang (is) desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” Kimmel said. “In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving.”
You keep saying Kimmel said something false, but what about this is untrue? He doesn’t claim the killer is MAGA just that trump is desperate to believe he is not. You could say he is inferring that the kid is MAGA, but that is a far cry from him making a completely false statement. We also don’t know enough about the killer to say for sure what his reasonings for the murder was. You say you are pretty sure he wasn’t MAGA, but you aren’t certain because you are inferring from circumstantial evidence. Your post here has more false information than the Kimmel segment.
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@kjayhawks said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
You guys find an honest politician let me know, sounds more like a unicorn… not real.I can emphasis with this feeling age get why you say it, but these kind of statements aren’t helpful. There are definitely some politicians out there who want to help people, but to do so they have to make deals that go against their campaign promises in order to make actual progress. Then there are people who lie constantly and are just looking to line their own pocketbook. Both have lied, but there is an ocean of difference between them.
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And then they came for the comedians…
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@wissox Bucketeers are next
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@MR11 the guy told police he hated Trump so acting like he was a part of the MAGA crowd is false. I’ve spoke my opinion on the matter, it doesn’t have to line up with yours.
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@MR11 this is basically true. The problem is voters are like toddlers. Just like toddlers want to believe you can eat ice cream for every meal and never have to go to daycare, voters want to hear (and many believe) you can fix all our country’s issues by cutting waste, fraud, abuse, and foreign aid. And that Social Security would be totally fine if them darn politicians didn’t rob it!! Which of course is nonsense but that’s what they believe.
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@kjayhawks it didn’t stop the MAGA crowd from blaming “the left” before Kirk’s blood was dry and we had literally no idea who did it, let alone why.
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Shot. https://x.com/rcpvideo/status/1969118654353617138?s=46
Chaser. https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/
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@FarmerJayhawk there is prob some truth o that but they didn’t go on national TV as a host and say it.
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I’m not maga by any stretch of imagination I think Trump is a dipshit 90% of time I just call out hypocrisy and false accusations when I see them. Y’all can put on my head stone “He believe the facts and truth mattered over propaganda”. Any of y’all remember Twitter getting sued and losing for silencing and having incorrect fact checking against conservative posts? About Gina Carano fired from Disney for saying she didn’t support BLM? About Hank Williams Jrs song removed from Monday night football for negative remarks towards Obama? I could prob look up another 25 instances but I think you got my point their wasn’t any posts or complaints when that happened. Are you gonna cheer on the arsonist in the neighborhood til he gets to your house?
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No, I oppose cancel culture and wrote at the time how the Biden administration jawboning social media companies was dangerous.
This is also very different from those instances because the FCC has threatened ABC’s license. At least for me, violating the First Amendment is much worse than a private company doing something dumb.
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I think @kjayhawks the main thread of this conversation seems to be about how troubling it is that the federal government is perhaps overstepping its authority and using the threat of government action on what should qualify as free speech.
We can all have our opinions on what Kimmel said, fine. It’s not about him or other people getting fired for their words. That’s not really the point here.
But, when the Trump administration punishes broadcasters just because he feels their comedic bits don’t match with his opinion … well, that’s censorship. A serious violation of our civil liberties.
What or who is next??? scary
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@kjayhawks The difference between the situations you’ve mentioned and what happened with Kimmel, and Stephen Colbert for that matter is that their cancelations came as a direct result of FCC meddling and interference. The chair of the FCC has already said they’re going after the View next.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 @FarmerJayhawk maybe I’m off base and little off topic. I just don’t think it’s right that anyone with remotely right wing train of thought for the last decade and half had been silenced outside of the garbage known as Fox News. Could you imagine the back lash if De Niro said F Obama or Biden when he accepted an award. You can’t say blacklisted fast enough. I will move on from the thread. I have spoken my opinion on the matter. I zero issue with the government stepping in to prevent fake news and unjust propaganda.
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If you have (as I do) at least a faint trepidation that this thread could be mined in the future to be used against you, and choosing words very carefully, then you should be able to appreciate the chilling effect of these actions by the FCC and current administration.
It’s a bit hard to get my head around why the President of the United States is engaging even one brain cell on late night TV. Let alone targeting American comedians (he tweeted that Fallon should be cancelled next). His tweet low-key sounded like the Emperor in Star Wars: “Do it NBC!!!”
Why he is targeting Jimmy Fallon like he’s Saddam Hussein?
Fallon is an anodyne comedian but the President is acting like there’s a stash of WMD at 30 Rock… maybe hidden behind his desk??
Insane.
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@kjayhawks “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press…”
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@FarmerJayhawk lol
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@kjayhawks You bring up some good points and this is nothing new. For many years both sides of the political spectrum have been censoring the other and then turning around and complaining when the other side censors. It would be nice if more people called out both parties but unfortunately people will just continue to criticize the other party’s censorship while ignoring that of their own.
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@kjayhawks said in Not paying for ESPN this year:
@Texas-Hawk-10 @FarmerJayhawk maybe I’m off base and little off topic. I just don’t think it’s right that anyone with remotely right wing train of thought for the last decade and half had been silenced outside of the garbage known as Fox News. Could you imagine the back lash if De Niro said F Obama or Biden when he accepted an award. You can’t say blacklisted fast enough. I will move on from the thread. I have spoken my opinion on the matter. I zero issue with the government stepping in to prevent fake news and unjust propaganda.
Thanks for confirming that you support government censorship and are anti-1st amendment.
