Basketball Season
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@approxinfinity said in Basketball Season:
@DanR yeah our defense is shit but at least we are putting the effort in. Feel like d will get better. The story has been crappy shooting. Please oh please dont be a bunch of transfers that cant shoot.
Haven’t run any offensive sets. Just mostly random dribble penetration. Transfers have no clue, but the two freshmen look really good and seem to have good instincts to be in the right places even in the offensive chaos
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Jeez. Back to back crappy turnovers. Protect the rock!
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Arkansas just stripping dribble handoffs from kj to juan and kj to coit
Haven’t seen the hogs run 1 dribble handoff all night
May that trash is done for a reason in legit basketball circles
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Fun to see the new guys! Hope we can keep the main dudes healthy.
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Add hunter’s 25 points and it’s a W!
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Big picture, mostly mission accomplished. Nobody got hurt first and foremost. Young guys got some run. Like I said earlier, this is like an NFL preseason game. Except our 2s and 3s mostly played their 1s.
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Well that certainly wasn’t inspiring!
Please god make Arkansas by far the most athletic team in the country. If not our guys looked like cardboard cutouts.
Back to KU football season…
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Oh, and I have a gut feeling that I already hate Storr and his attitude.
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I know our offense is designed for different players (like a big guy at the 5) but this was an opportunity for guys to show they can move the ball, maybe go get a bucket when needed… and certainly hit some jumpers… We didn’t do much of that.
Also, the issues with D had little to do with missing pieces in the lineup, to this untrained eye. We got torched from the outside by a true freshmen…
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Rakease Passmore truthers rise up
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give him the Kease, Please.
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Well, that was underwhelming. Uglier than the NFL preseason.
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@BShark said in Basketball Season:
Rakease Passmore truthers rise up
Needs to play. Lots to like, effort and showed some aggressiveness which cannot be said for many that were out there last night.
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@dylans said in Basketball Season:
Well, that was underwhelming. Uglier than the NFL preseason.
Felt like a preseason game honestly.
My only real takeaways: Zach and Jamari are not P4 players, you can’t play KJ next to Flory so with Hunt back it needs to be like a line change in hockey where we have a guard at the 4 when Flory is giving Hunt a breather.
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I’m going to dissent with most here and praise Dajuan l. He was our best player. He had 26 points on 11-17 shooting. He couldnt guard Boogie, but who can? Our wings were a dumpster fire. Our defense across the board, including Dajuan, was not good, but saw an encouraging amount of effort. More concerned with the pieces around Dajuan than Dajuan himself. We can all agree he isnt going to carry us. But that isnt who he is. 11-17 for an offensive role player is pretty awesome. I want Kease at the 2. Let the other transfers fight over the rest of the minutes at 2,3,4 (behind KJ so we can play Bidunga)
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You ain’t dissenting with me. His rim finishes were improved a lot. He was smooth and Boogie pissed him off and that is when he started playing downhill. Our shooting was abysmal and our man to man got torched by the Hog’s bigger guards. I guess our offense will be get it inside, inside, inside. I think we can be a big time alley-ooping machine if Flory realizes he needs to be ready every time. Zach didn’t play very well but he was the only one who seemed offended by the over the top physical stuff and pushed back. Flory needs to drop into the rim protector position because we will see a lot of guards in the lane.
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The one thing I will add for caution with Harris is we’ve seen him look more athletic and able to finish at the rim in the beginning of seasons. As wear and tear over the course of the year happens with him because he’s playing too many minutes and because he’s just not built to handle heavy minutes physically he becomes less effective.
I didn’t see anything from either transfer guard last night that makes me think they can run the offense without Self having no choice but to play Harris. Hopefully when Moore is healthy he can be that guy but given that he missed the most important stretch of practice for the season its likely going to take a while.
It was definitely a preseason game and we were missing very important pieces in our top 8. Having said that there was a lot of concerning things I saw again. Athleticism being number 1, lack of quickness number 2. There is no #2 guy it appears after Hunt, at least from this one data point.
The first viewing of Passmore and Flory was positive. Lots to build on with both, Kease might be a steal in this class long term. Flory was lost at times but man he is a building block and his development this year is crucial.
Neither Zach or Jamari should see minutes beyond a blowout. Good practice bodies but their skill level is not at this level.
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Not taking much from the game other than Passmore and dajuan looked good and KJ looked like KJ, aka non spacing forward who’s a bad fit with the star pieces on the roster
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Well things noticed & thought about. # 1 - -w had heard and already knew that our defense sucks and we are going to have to out score people. # 2 all I got to say to Coach Self is - - - - -GOOD LUCK with Storr, he is really going o wear on Self , the kid doesn’t give two flips about trying to defend, seems like he wants to be a black hole on offense , something going to have to give before w get into the Season. I got tired of hearing we had three of our players out – -Guess what Arkansas had multiple players out too , quit making excuses. Hunter would of been the perfect fit - -would of fit right in with the rest of our horrible defense. -Sorr is going to be a Challenge.
Flory & Passmore look like when it’s all said and done are going to be very good players for us- -and then if we are going to have to depend on Juan leading us in our three point shooting-- -we are in for a long Season.
Heard on a KU podcast the other day, if you had the option which would you rather have- – Juan with more of a big breakout year - -be a bigger scoring PG , more aggressive - -OR better defensively and turning the ball over less. -I think you want him turning the ball over less, He is gonna have more Scorers around him this year and should be able to distribute the ball better and better defense. If we think it’s gonna be the same as last yr , I think your wrong.- -This was an exhibition and give Mayo & Diggy time to adjust , they are going to be fine-- Then we have Griffen who was out – I think k Mayo will settle down & adjust- - the only problem is going to be Storr and dealing with his outlook & Attitude. Like they mentioned on the Podcaast - - Storr is going to have to acept that the offens is going to revolve around Hunter plain and simple
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Ok, some Day After perspective, after many deep breaths!!
On the surface we looked like shit all around. Hard to argue otherwise to the naked eye.
But digging a bit deeper statistically, we lost this game at the free throw line. KU was 4-10. The Hogs were 23-28.
We lost the game by 16 points. They outscored us by 19 from the line.
Also, in total, KU made ONE more field goal, and ONE more 3pt shot than Arkansas. That alone should mean a win.
I guess playing piss poor, matador defense contributed mightily to the FT disparity and final score.
So we didn’t pass the eyeball test, but the game could have been less of a blowout had we played anything resembling defense?
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@BeddieKU23 I am surprised about Zack because Self had praised him immensely during offseason, not sure what was that all about.
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@AsadZ said in Basketball Season:
@BeddieKU23 I am surprised about Zack because Self had praised him immensely during offseason, not sure what was that all about.
Bill lying in the offseason, classic.
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I didn’t watch Zack closely enough, but i thought he had active hands but made a few bad decisions, and saw one jankerific baseline pull up. Feels like if he isnt P4 its between the ears. Maybe what Self sees in practice didnt translate in gametime.
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@approxinfinity Juan did what he did last year against Duke and then never showed up again with scoring like that
He also did it in the second half when the game was already out of reach
Got absolutely abused defensively the entire game and no clue how the box score didn’t have him turning it over 5 times (somehow 2).
He never starts the game and keeps us close he relies on everyone else to carry him
Bill legitimately is staring another second round loss in the face with his favorite 1 and 4 of all time. He has no concept of team building with regards to today’s game and what he values in players isn’t the most important traits in translation to winning it all
After we get bounced this year he will retire with 5/6 second round loss
His systems are outdated and the fact guys can’t shuffle in and out smoothly and he constantly neuters great players (remy and now storr….and it would have been Spencer last year had we got him - he’d somehow not defended well enough or whatever. Spencer or any player would have a better year at uconn vs ku)….causing them to play hesitant and slow
He doesn’t teach guys to attack but throws so much at them they can’t just read and react but rather “think too much” - his own words.
He owes Remy a ton otherwise he’s a 1 hit wonder
I mean people praise how great we are based on big 12 consistency. Nah that’s homer glasses. Big 12 constantly underperforms in the tourney. We finally added legit basketball competition and watch where we finish these last two years.
The big 12 consecutive titles is nice but fans starting to see it was a facade and made sense based on our ncaa accomplishments. Propt us up with 1 seeds when in reality we didn’t deserve them and got bounced.
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@kuballin10 https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/11dlk1v/most_wins_against_ap_top_25_opponents_in_the_last/
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@kuballin10 said in Basketball Season:
@approxinfinity Juan did what he did last year against Duke and then never showed up again with scoring like that
He also did it in the second half when the game was already out of reach
Got absolutely abused defensively the entire game and no clue how the box score didn’t have him turning it over 5 times (somehow 2).
He never starts the game and keeps us close he relies on everyone else to carry him
Bill legitimately is staring another second round loss in the face with his favorite 1 and 4 of all time. He has no concept of team building with regards to today’s game and what he values in players isn’t the most important traits in translation to winning it all
After we get bounced this year he will retire with 5/6 second round loss
His systems are outdated and the fact guys can’t shuffle in and out smoothly and he constantly neuters great players (remy and now storr….and it would have been Spencer last year had we got him - he’d somehow not defended well enough or whatever. Spencer or any player would have a better year at uconn vs ku)….causing them to play hesitant and slow
He doesn’t teach guys to attack but throws so much at them they can’t just read and react but rather “think too much” - his own words.
He owes Remy a ton otherwise he’s a 1 hit wonder
I mean people praise how great we are based on big 12 consistency. Nah that’s homer glasses. Big 12 constantly underperforms in the tourney. We finally added legit basketball competition and watch where we finish these last two years.
The big 12 consecutive titles is nice but fans starting to see it was a facade and made sense based on our ncaa accomplishments. Propt us up with 1 seeds when in reality we didn’t deserve them and got bounced.
Self isn’t screwing Storr up - - Storr is screwing up himself- -Storr not only doesn’t he DEFEND well enough he doesn’t defend at all. Coach knew that right off Self has nothing to do with that and until he learns then he isn’t going to be a big part, what he is is as huge black hole Until he becomes more of a team player instead of a black hole- - -me , me , me it’s gonna be ugly for him.= - - You must have one huge hard on for Juan yet it’s kinda old - -you need to find something /anything to wine about, dam dude anything if your so un happy with Self and Juan you might need to find you a new hobby OR A NEW TEAM TO SNIFFLE ABOUT - -maybe you could PICK UP KNITTING S A new hobby& a fresh glass of milk
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@jayballer67 Honest question: did you watch the game or just check the box score?
If you watched the game what did you think of their guards vs ours especially Wagner/bland versus our 6th year senior?
Bill loves a guard who can control the entire game. He somehow thinks Harris is some tyus jones clone and it’s comical how off he is on this.
The 6-7th best pg just in the big 12 let alone the entire country struggles to lead us against athletic guard heavy teams
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@kuballin10 said in Basketball Season:
@jayballer67 Honest question: did you watch the game or just check the box score?
If you watched the game what did you think of their guards vs ours especially Wagner/bland versus our 6th year senior?
Bill loves a guard who can control the entire game. He somehow thinks Harris is some tyus jones clone and it’s comical how off he is on this.
The 6-7th best pg just in the big 12 let alone the entire country struggles to lead us against athletic guard heavy teams
@kuballin10 said in Basketball Season:
@jayballer67 Honest question: did you watch the game or just check the box score?
If you watched the game what did you think of their guards vs ours especially Wagner/bland versus our 6th year senior?
Bill loves a guard who can control the entire game. He somehow thinks Harris is some tyus jones clone and it’s comical how off he is on this.
The 6-7th best pg just in the big 12 let alone the entire country struggles to lead us against athletic guard heavy teams
Dude I’ve probably watched more Ku games then you have had wet dreams. No Einstein I didn’t watch a second lmao. Hell ya I watched, does Juan has flaws ? - -Hell yes Juan has flaws, name me a single player on this team that doesn’t If Juan is as bad of a Guard as you make him out to be then tell me this riddler Why the hell then do SO MANY past College coach’s - -Current College Coch’s , former players that now analyze teams and players Plus others that follow and work around teams all talk about how solid Juan is and when before the Season starts out why is it that people who get paid for this all talk about Juan being a vital returning player for the Season ? I have a tendency to listen to them someone who actually knows what the hell they are talking about then some broken down guy that sits in a recliner and talks shit about players and never thinks he would lose a game IF he Coached the team.
Your a typical troll who comes on sites and talks shit about someone because you don’t have a team - -or your own fans have blocked you on their sites your truly a joke you know half about what YOU THINK YOU KNOW but still hope you have a great day - - Hell every one of our players got blown by when playing defense - - well we actually didn’t play any defense so that doesn’t apply. What did w say ? - -This is going to be one of our worst defensive teams, and other posters talking about combinations of players on the floor and how we couldn’t put them on the floor-- this team right now hsa no defense - -it’s not only Juan their BUB
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@jayballer67 during the scrimmage against Arky the announcers called Harris the best point guard in college ball. I’m not sure I 100% agree with that, but he’s definitely solid. We’ll miss him next season, but someone will figure it out and off the team goes again.
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That scrimmage restored my PTSD from last year… we start off totally over-ranked at #1, we have no perimeter shooting, we don’t have enough athleticism (at least, not against Cal), but even worse this year is we have no McCullar on defense. We are going to have to average 80+ points to have a good record this year.
I know it’s even before being early… I said what I said because of my PTSD.
I’m just putting my trust in Self to turn these guys into a competitive team. Isn’t it the fact that we have Self the reason why we get over-ranked early in the year?
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JUAN RECALL:
Here is my take on Juan. At times, he looked horrible in this scrimmage and was played by a freshman, who ate his lunch. Yes… we saw what we saw. So here it comes… all the Juan naysayers.
Juan is not an NBA prospect. Never will be. But he is typically a solid defender and solid point guard. His first job is to be the mechanism for bringing Self’s game out on the floor. We all know, if Self isn’t happy, it is going to show because he’s screaming at someone, making faces and turning bright red himself, and benching someone. He usually doesn’t lose his cool with Juan because Juan is accomplishing his #1 priority.
Here is the Juan everyone wanted… he put up 26 points, and no two other players together matched his total. He is Juan thinking about getting his own points. How do we like that? In this case, he had to score because we had NOWHERE else to go for points! #1 team in the country, no alpha scorers.
Juan is a PG built perfect for a team with 4 other players with offensive skills. When he’s on that team, he will only average around 6 PPG but everyone else will score big. When we have a team like the team we had in the scrimmage, Juan is also lost in space because no one is teaming with him to score.
Actually, I feel a little better about Juan after this scrimmage. Clearly, he has add a bit more physicality to his frame. And it showed up on his own personal offense. I think we will see Juan scoring more this year, I just hope it isn’t because he has to (but I fear this).
The guy I’m more concerned with is KJ. I appreciate his natural athleticism. I had hoped he would develop into a real offensive savant but I’m not seeing it in this game. Some guys develop where they just explode in a year, and I thought we would get that out of KJ but I don’t think so now. A big part of his production should be rebounding. I’ve said this on here every since KJ came to Kansas. Someone needs to sit him in a chair and have him watch Charles Barkley rebound until he gets it. He should be the next Barkley. He should have a personal trainer who knows how to teach this skill because he still doesn’t get it. And from the 10+ rebounds he should easily snatch every game, he should be adding at least 6+ points off his rebounds.
I know I’m in a PTSD moment here… I see we have more depth… will it even be enough to replace McCullar? Who is going to start playing defense? Defense requires hustle, but it also requires skills. Anyone on our staff capable of teaching defense? I’m not just talking about team defense. I’m talking about (what I always talk about) teaching players how to hedge, etc.
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@drgnslayr yeah we don’t have McCullar on defense, but he really didn’t play healthy outside of the first half of the season (and we looked pretty good when he did).
My PTSD from last season is watching games at the end of the season when he didn’t play. It would be nice for the newcomers to get near McCullar’s level of defense, but we really just need them to be better than Timberlake/Furphy.
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@dylans said in Basketball Season:
@jayballer67 during the scrimmage against Arky the announcers called Harris the best point guard in college ball. I’m not sure I 100% agree with that, but he’s definitely solid. We’ll miss him next season, but someone will figure it out and off the team goes again.
I agree with you on that totally bud, Juan IS NOT the best by a stretch, but like said very solid -we be all right, agree
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@drgnslayr I agree with everything you said here. This team isnt going anywhere if Storr and Rylan dont figure it out. But thats on them.
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@approxinfinity said in Basketball Season:
@drgnslayr I agree with everything you said here. This team isnt going anywhere if Storr and Rylan dont figure it out. But thats on them.
Just think Sorr is going to be an issue , gonna be a war between him & Hunter who is or thinks suppose to lead this team. Heard from previous fans that Storr is a Black hle - -15-17 shots per he wants to get his shots - -forced or un forced- -shooting at best time - or not the best - -dunno.
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The takeaways here should be simple:
-Mayo, Coit, and Storr are bad
-The freshmen look like good pieces for the future
That’s it.
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Those comments on Storr aren’t the end of the world, everyone knew that him taking bad shots and playing bad defense wasn’t going to improve the team. This confirms that Self is trying to improve his decision making and holding him accountable. Now its a toss up whether that will work or not, but is better to try and fully actualize his talent.
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Not convinced that any of the transfers are bad. Definitely a work in progress. None of them are complete.
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I wouldn’t be entirely critical of Storr just yet.
He didn’t get a ton of minutes. Maybe that was Self jabbing at him a bit, trying to get him to play in his style.
But, he did seem a bit more motivated toward the end of the game. He showed some flashes. More of that!
I think we all will be frustrated with the defense this year. It will not be great from what we’ve read and watched. Maybe one of those Roy Williams years where it’s a free for all. Except Hunter can’t run!
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I just want the offense to look better than it did. Dajuan was the only guy scoring! Thats crazy.
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@approxinfinity said in Basketball Season:
I just want the offense to look better than it did. Dajuan was the only guy scoring! Thats crazy.
Yep. Total weirdness with Juan scoring.
I’m just gonna assume we had no offensive game plan installed, so he couldn’t set anybody up to score.
Tuesday will tell us a tiny bit more.
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Thankfully it’s still October. Hopefully we look a lot better in March.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Basketball Season:
@approxinfinity said in Basketball Season:
I just want the offense to look better than it did. Dajuan was the only guy scoring! Thats crazy.
Yep. Total weirdness with Juan scoring.
I’m just gonna assume we had no offensive game plan installed, so he couldn’t set anybody up to score.
Tuesday will tell us a tiny bit more.
That and missing 3 rotation players (including our best player).
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We usually don’t start the season playing ranked teams on the road in an exhibition but that’s what’s happened the last two years. In both occasions we did not look good and hopefully that’s not a trend to follow. I can imagine some teams during the conference championship streak looked similar to the other day. I hope so, at least. Tommorow is another day to get better
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Matt Tait tweets
Self said he’s got AJ Storr “messed up at the moment” because the newcomer doesn’t quite know yet what be aggressive means for Self and with #KUbball
Self added that he thinks Storr is still thinking a lot instead of reacting…
Self on Zeke Mayo: I think we have to get more production out of him than we had the other night & he has to put himself in position to be more aggressive.
“I think the other day he kind of played cautious.”
——- Anyone notice a 20 year trend? Guys come here and play tentatively. Self needs someone to have the cojones to ask him the tough questions on why this is. We aren’t talking some 1-2 year trend this is years of this……
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@kuballin10 good thing Malik and Remy magically threw off the shackles of Bills voodoo curse when it counted in the tourney huh? Frank and Graham were able to develop from marginal D-1 prospects to first team All Americans in spite of Self. Its a miracle!
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@approxinfinity Mason not being given the keys killed me for that Wiggins team….
Literally barely played frankamp which hammers his confidence only to play him against Stanford a ton
Bill has always struggled with lineups and effectively building everyone up not just “his guys”
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Frankamp was also just really bad at playing basketball
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I’d guess I watched more of Storr than anyone here last year. Everything you guys are saying is true. He’s an enigma, but I’m not going to let one exhibition game where we were missing guys say he’s a bust. He starred in a game knocking off Purdue last year, you know 2nd best team in the country. He can play with the big boys. I also remember it took him a few games to get into the swing with the Badgers. I don’t really watch defense individually. I can’t tell you about defensive lapses except that people complained about it. I never liked his carelessness with the ball and at times became turnover prone.
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@FarmerJayhawk And yet after playing tharpe all year instead of developing a freshman - Bill was resorted to conner because tharpe was that bad
Complete coaching blunder and not utilizing the season to develop guys in game
