Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU



  • @BeddieKU23 said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:

    @BShark

    Matt deleted his own thread about whatever it was that was possibly going to happen. Something is going on

    Seems like someone deleted every post/thread he ever made LOL.

    Also fwiw, a Memphis person put in a pick for Chandler to KU.



  • @drgnslayr Other people talking about how Josh’s Mom really emphasizing the education, really wants to get his degree. - -AGAIN one more time , I mean we ALL know he is gone, but YET with every passing day and no announcement. - -some were talking about MAYBE THAT is Matt’s some big maybe happening again but not 100% yet? Some others have said could be he just didn’t want to rain on Franks parade steal his lime light.

    AGAIN he has till the 23rd of this month main while it’s just tick - - -tick - - -tick - - . THAT would for sure be THE SHOT HEARD AROUND THE WORLD. I mean come on really? - -BUT have you ever heard of the phrase " NEVER SAY NEVER " OMG just thinking about it BAM. - -but no - -no way. I still say he might announce tonight at the banquet. – I’m really surprised they haven’t said more about the banquet. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • Checked other sites, a couple of things. - - -First Matt’s post is back, Another poster had asked what had happened to his thread - someone said probably something technical , Matt commented - -said ya something messed up, said probably Flarety I know that’s not the correct spell sorry, but anyways the thread is back - -55 responses at this point.

    The Second thing was reading a question and answer interview with Trevon, Breaking down ALL the schools: - -Arizona , ,Seton Hall , Duke , Baylor , & KU:

    As far as KU: - -Question , about what he liked – He said the Atmosphere, saying at the game their ( KU ) was an 11 . - - Duke was he said was a 10 . - - KU was great , Unbelievable , especially for a big game I went to the KU/Baylor game - -it was big time.

    Question: - -Does it mater about Devonte being there? - -Answer: - -No , Cause Frank did it. – Question:- -What about Malik being there does that help?- - Answer- - I don’t really care who is there.- - -I can play with anyone , I’ve played with everyone , As long as everyone plays the game the right way , I’m not worried about playing with anyone.

    Question have you set an announcement date? - - -Answer No. - - - -Hopefully sometime this month. - - -



  • @jayballer54 the banquet is tonight. Hopefull Svi will announce his return to have some good news after Jackson announces his intentions.

    Ben McLemore had a blast and wanted to come back, but money was an issue.

    Wiggins loved playing for KU - top 3 picks have to get that money.

    Jackson is an alpha beast and has also claimed to have a desire to return. Once again a top 3 pick-he’s got to go. Man, I hope I’m wrong!



  • Wooten is available again…



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  • @BeddieKU23 What happened? -refresh my memory position? - He de-commit? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • @BeddieKU23

    It’s about Jeremiah Tilmon.



  • @BShark OK, what am I missing? lol what is it that’s about Tilmon? – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • @jayballer54

    Thanks for keeping me in “dream land!”

    I think the outside chance of him staying could have to do with his competitive level. He knows if he stayed one more year he would completely dominate college basketball.

    It is tough to create that kind of talent separation in the NBA. Even if he becomes dominant, he is just one of several dominant players on that stage.

    I know Josh felt bad after that loss. He carried his share of the responsibility for that loss. Maybe he doesn’t want to leave college basketball on such a sour note?

    It is such a pity if we can’t realize a bit more of his potential while in college.



  • @jayballer54 said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:

    @BShark OK, what am I missing? lol what is it that’s about Tilmon?

    ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • @dylans

    McLemore has impressed more than any other player for what he has done off the court after leaving. He has done a lot of community work and I understand he is taking classes on line and hoping to get a degree eventually. He has also been back to Lawrence often and has been a great ambassador for the program.



  • “Obviously experience,” said KU coach Bill Self in an interview with the Journal-World when asked what area Graham’s decision impacted the most. “But not having a primary ball-handler would’ve been the biggest thing we would’ve had to tighten up. And we’re still gonna try to sign another guard. But to have two players who we feel are legitimate, all-conference type guards in there already, in Devonte’ and Malik (Newman), is pretty comforting.”

    So who’s the guard going to be. Allen doesn’t seem like a day one guy. Is KU in on another top guard not named Duval?



  • @BShark

    Wow, that would certainly solidify the back up center spot



  • @jayballer54

    yes Wooten de-committed from Arizona St.

    Tilmon got out of his LOI today from Illinois



  • Not KU but with Jarrett Allen staying in the draft for Texas look for Bamba to end up with smart. SMH all around at that one. Really doesn’t matter anyway, Bamba is only in College for 1 anyway



  • @dylans

    No. It will very likely end up being Allen.

    @BeddieKU23 said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:

    @BShark

    Wow, that would certainly solidify the back up center spot

    Missouri people are getting nervous. This could be fun…



  • Tremont Waters said that KU has reached out to him as well as UCONN, Creighton and Georgetown



  • @BeddieKU23

    Interesting, very interesting. Last time MS posted he was saying KU still wasn’t involved. I’m not sure Waters would get as many minutes as he would hope for next year at KU.



  • @BShark

    Preston has been twittering him as well

    The school he’d get the most minutes at of the one’s he listed is the school he asked out of his LOI from.



  • @BeddieKU23

    If he is willing to tough it out, fight for minutes and stick around then long term he would be the best guard KU could realistically add at this point.

    If he picks KU or UConn then it’s to be the PG of the future. Not sure I like that as much as getting Dotson/Grimes in 18, but a bird in the hand and all that.



  • @BShark

    Good point. We’ll see what happens. At least this info came from Tremont. He’d definitely have a role here as a freshman it just wouldn’t be one he might be seeking. So much going on for this 1 spot, or 2, or more if the Lawson’s don’t take up a scholarship for the season… Getting hard to keep track of everything



  • @BeddieKU23

    I feel fairly confident that Graham and Newman are likely getting about 33mpg. Vick and Cunliffe are going to be around 22-25 minute players. That’s a lot of back court minutes taken up. Of course early on Cunliffe’s minutes will need to go elsewhere. Definitely need a 6th guard (5th before Cunliffe can play and yes I would have Waters behind Garrett) but is he willing to do that. That’s a lot easier I would think for Allen that hasn’t been as highly touted to accept.



  • And yeah the scholarship situation suddenly got a lot more crowded.



  • Rivals update for the 2017 class. 15 top 150 kids headed to the Big-12 with the possibility of 3-4 more by the look of things.

    Preston at #10

    Garrett up to #38 (he just keep sneaking higher and higher)

    Duval #4

    Waters # 37

    Tilmon #42

    Allen # 99

    Other teams

    Wigginton #23 (Iowa St)- kid is a stud

    Young #15 (OU)- PG

    Coleman #43 (Texas)- PG

    Sims #56 (Texas)- PF

    Ferbes #66 (Texas)- can shoot the ball

    Culver #85 (WVU)- PF

    Nembhard #88 (TCU)- SG



  • “Kansas Assistant Coach Jerrance Howard will be in East Saint Louis, IL on Friday to see 2017 C Jeremiah Tilmon. Tilmon, the #29 ranked player in the 247Sports 2017 composite rankings, was released from his Letter of Intent by Illinois on Tuesday. Tilmon is expected to consider Missouri, Illinois and Kansas among others now that he’s been released from his LOI.”



  • @BeddieKU23

    I would be surprised if Tilmon does not end up at Missouri.



  • @drgnslayr said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:

    @jayballer54

    Thanks for keeping me in “dream land!”

    I think the outside chance of him staying could have to do with his competitive level. He knows if he stayed one more year he would completely dominate college basketball.

    It is tough to create that kind of talent separation in the NBA. Even if he becomes dominant, he is just one of several dominant players on that stage.

    I know Josh felt bad after that loss. He carried his share of the responsibility for that loss. Maybe he doesn’t want to leave college basketball on such a sour note?

    It is such a pity if we can’t realize a bit more of his potential while in college.

    Very nice dream! But I would think the only reason for JJ not to declare yet is to give him time to select an agent he will name when he announces. That would keep the pack of wolves from descending on him if he announced without one.



  • @BeddieKU23

    Yeah Wigginton will be a good one for ISU. Surprised to see Allen crack the top 100.

    @JayHawkFanToo said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:

    @BeddieKU23

    I would be surprised if Tilmon does not end up at Missouri.

    We will see, KU def in it.



  • @mayjay

    That is exactly what I said initially, too…

    But @jayballer54 and I are “livin’ the dream” right now! My dream has extended to preparing space for new 2018 NC memorabilia at my Jayhawk shrine…



  • @BeddieKU23

    Does Rivals still think Mizzou is in the Big 12?

    Tilmon could end up at Mizzou or back to Illini.

    Or… it would be great if he came to Kansas!



  • @drgnslayr

    This looks like a KU/Fizzou fight for Tilmon. We’ll see what happens. Howard visits him friday



  • @BeddieKU23 Has he been on campus yet?



  • @Kcmatt7

    Don’t think so. His recruitment accelerated early while KU was still involved with better post prospects.



  • @JayHawkFanToo said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:

    @BeddieKU23

    I would be surprised if Tilmon does not end up at Missouri.

    So would I. It would come down to the choice that players often have when considering KU…come and compete for playing time while playing for a championship team…or go to a place where, because of need, you are almost guaranteed playing time. He likely picked the latter when he picked the Illini. Likely to do the same again. But who knows.



  • @Kcmatt7

    Nope, the staff has visited him plenty over the recruiting cycles though. We’ll see if friday’s visit gets us a visit



  • @Hawk8086

    Illinois was more about the assistant coach they had on Groce’s staff that he was close with. Once he was let go with the coaching change it made sense Tilmon would look around if he didn’t like Underwood’s pitch. KU was on his short list first time around so we have to believe he’s at least entertaining us again



  • @Hawk8086

    Maybe after a not so great SR year he realized he needs some development before being thrown into the fire.



  • @BShark

    What, a level headed decision?? No way jose



  • @BeddieKU23

    He committed super early too, when everyone in the world thought Ayton was coming to KU. In that situation he would have never seen the floor at all his first year. Now, he can definitely be the back-up center for this team.

    And yeah for anyone wondering about the bad SR year comment it’s no joke. He is likely to fall in the final rankings of each of the services. Not sure where he was in Rivals before but 43 seems like a drop.



  • @BShark

    He did drop in Rivals. Part of it has been injury related. That shoulder injury he had took a long time to heal and usually kids drop anytime there is a injury involved (unless your Harry Giles with Nike of course).

    I think the kid hasn’t gotten back into the groove but even before he was hurt I didn’t think he was as good as his ranking. He has great value defensively right now and needs a good system to develop his offense. KU can offer him a lot, maybe not the 30 minutes a night but maybe a better trajectory for development



  • Saw that he was a 5* on ESPN and Rivals and was moved down to a 4* to both.



  • @BeddieKU23

    Yep. If he ends up coming to KU and being similar to say, WCS for us, I’d be fine with that.



  • Gheez…

    Imagine the potential for KU to go BIG next year with Tilmon onboard?

    Doke as center, Tilmon as power forward, and Preston as our swing forward.

    Yikes!

    Time for Bill to dream up new schemes!

    But seriously… with Preston’s handles, he should get some minutes at the 3. That will be his NBA position.

    We should have enough minutes available to make a serious run for TIlmon’s services.



  • @drgnslayr

    Maybe in an exhibition. Maybe.



  • @BShark

    Tilmon reminded me of Deyonta Davis who went pro after 1 year at Michigan St. If Tilmon gets back to what got him so highly ranked then he’s got a high ceiling. I know there are some that say his offense is limited but the kid has some nice post moves but wasn’t always consistent with them. He runs the floor well, he plays above the rim and has good instincts on defense. Pairing him with Doke and Coleby is not fair for opponents. We can all dream…



  • @drgnslayr

    That’s a nice dream you typed up. Billy guarding the SF spot would be a nightmare. I think he’s going to be the new age 4 at the next level, if he matures enough to make it and last.

    Tilmon is more of a 5, not sure how he’d work alongside Doke but that’s why the coaches get paid the big bucks.



  • @BeddieKU23 I think if we can get him on campus its a done deal. If only we could have like Ben McLemore there during his visit to show him around.

    Cuonzo has that connection with Tilmon because Cuonzo is from East St. Louis too… We need something to really put him over the top and make that connection. Ben had to spend two years here and I’m sure he could be a major influence on JT.



  • @Kcmatt7

    Yeah it seems that way.



  • http://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Top-Kansas-target-makes-interesting-comments-about-Jayhawks-52270321

    If anything, this article at least reaffirms where the best home-court advantage is.

    Anyways, I personally think Duval is just hoping that Grayson declares for the draft hoping he doesn’t have to play with him. I mean I wouldn’t want to practice with that guy. NBA dreams could end with one “accident.”


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