Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU
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Interesting, very interesting. Last time MS posted he was saying KU still wasn’t involved. I’m not sure Waters would get as many minutes as he would hope for next year at KU.
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Preston has been twittering him as well
The school he’d get the most minutes at of the one’s he listed is the school he asked out of his LOI from.
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If he is willing to tough it out, fight for minutes and stick around then long term he would be the best guard KU could realistically add at this point.
If he picks KU or UConn then it’s to be the PG of the future. Not sure I like that as much as getting Dotson/Grimes in 18, but a bird in the hand and all that.
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Good point. We’ll see what happens. At least this info came from Tremont. He’d definitely have a role here as a freshman it just wouldn’t be one he might be seeking. So much going on for this 1 spot, or 2, or more if the Lawson’s don’t take up a scholarship for the season… Getting hard to keep track of everything
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I feel fairly confident that Graham and Newman are likely getting about 33mpg. Vick and Cunliffe are going to be around 22-25 minute players. That’s a lot of back court minutes taken up. Of course early on Cunliffe’s minutes will need to go elsewhere. Definitely need a 6th guard (5th before Cunliffe can play and yes I would have Waters behind Garrett) but is he willing to do that. That’s a lot easier I would think for Allen that hasn’t been as highly touted to accept.
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And yeah the scholarship situation suddenly got a lot more crowded.
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Rivals update for the 2017 class. 15 top 150 kids headed to the Big-12 with the possibility of 3-4 more by the look of things.
Preston at #10
Garrett up to #38 (he just keep sneaking higher and higher)
Duval #4
Waters # 37
Tilmon #42
Allen # 99
Other teams
Wigginton #23 (Iowa St)- kid is a stud
Young #15 (OU)- PG
Coleman #43 (Texas)- PG
Sims #56 (Texas)- PF
Ferbes #66 (Texas)- can shoot the ball
Culver #85 (WVU)- PF
Nembhard #88 (TCU)- SG
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“Kansas Assistant Coach Jerrance Howard will be in East Saint Louis, IL on Friday to see 2017 C Jeremiah Tilmon. Tilmon, the #29 ranked player in the 247Sports 2017 composite rankings, was released from his Letter of Intent by Illinois on Tuesday. Tilmon is expected to consider Missouri, Illinois and Kansas among others now that he’s been released from his LOI.”
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I would be surprised if Tilmon does not end up at Missouri.
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@drgnslayr said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:
Thanks for keeping me in “dream land!”
I think the outside chance of him staying could have to do with his competitive level. He knows if he stayed one more year he would completely dominate college basketball.
It is tough to create that kind of talent separation in the NBA. Even if he becomes dominant, he is just one of several dominant players on that stage.
I know Josh felt bad after that loss. He carried his share of the responsibility for that loss. Maybe he doesn’t want to leave college basketball on such a sour note?
It is such a pity if we can’t realize a bit more of his potential while in college.
Very nice dream! But I would think the only reason for JJ not to declare yet is to give him time to select an agent he will name when he announces. That would keep the pack of wolves from descending on him if he announced without one.
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Yeah Wigginton will be a good one for ISU. Surprised to see Allen crack the top 100.
@JayHawkFanToo said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:
I would be surprised if Tilmon does not end up at Missouri.
We will see, KU def in it.
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That is exactly what I said initially, too…
But @jayballer54 and I are “livin’ the dream” right now! My dream has extended to preparing space for new 2018 NC memorabilia at my Jayhawk shrine…
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Does Rivals still think Mizzou is in the Big 12?
Tilmon could end up at Mizzou or back to Illini.
Or… it would be great if he came to Kansas!
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This looks like a KU/Fizzou fight for Tilmon. We’ll see what happens. Howard visits him friday
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@BeddieKU23 Has he been on campus yet?
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Don’t think so. His recruitment accelerated early while KU was still involved with better post prospects.
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@JayHawkFanToo said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:
I would be surprised if Tilmon does not end up at Missouri.
So would I. It would come down to the choice that players often have when considering KU…come and compete for playing time while playing for a championship team…or go to a place where, because of need, you are almost guaranteed playing time. He likely picked the latter when he picked the Illini. Likely to do the same again. But who knows.
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Nope, the staff has visited him plenty over the recruiting cycles though. We’ll see if friday’s visit gets us a visit
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Illinois was more about the assistant coach they had on Groce’s staff that he was close with. Once he was let go with the coaching change it made sense Tilmon would look around if he didn’t like Underwood’s pitch. KU was on his short list first time around so we have to believe he’s at least entertaining us again
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Maybe after a not so great SR year he realized he needs some development before being thrown into the fire.
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What, a level headed decision?? No way jose
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He committed super early too, when everyone in the world thought Ayton was coming to KU. In that situation he would have never seen the floor at all his first year. Now, he can definitely be the back-up center for this team.
And yeah for anyone wondering about the bad SR year comment it’s no joke. He is likely to fall in the final rankings of each of the services. Not sure where he was in Rivals before but 43 seems like a drop.
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He did drop in Rivals. Part of it has been injury related. That shoulder injury he had took a long time to heal and usually kids drop anytime there is a injury involved (unless your Harry Giles with Nike of course).
I think the kid hasn’t gotten back into the groove but even before he was hurt I didn’t think he was as good as his ranking. He has great value defensively right now and needs a good system to develop his offense. KU can offer him a lot, maybe not the 30 minutes a night but maybe a better trajectory for development
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Saw that he was a 5* on ESPN and Rivals and was moved down to a 4* to both.
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Yep. If he ends up coming to KU and being similar to say, WCS for us, I’d be fine with that.
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Gheez…
Imagine the potential for KU to go BIG next year with Tilmon onboard?
Doke as center, Tilmon as power forward, and Preston as our swing forward.
Yikes!
Time for Bill to dream up new schemes!
But seriously… with Preston’s handles, he should get some minutes at the 3. That will be his NBA position.
We should have enough minutes available to make a serious run for TIlmon’s services.
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Maybe in an exhibition. Maybe.
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Tilmon reminded me of Deyonta Davis who went pro after 1 year at Michigan St. If Tilmon gets back to what got him so highly ranked then he’s got a high ceiling. I know there are some that say his offense is limited but the kid has some nice post moves but wasn’t always consistent with them. He runs the floor well, he plays above the rim and has good instincts on defense. Pairing him with Doke and Coleby is not fair for opponents. We can all dream…
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That’s a nice dream you typed up. Billy guarding the SF spot would be a nightmare. I think he’s going to be the new age 4 at the next level, if he matures enough to make it and last.
Tilmon is more of a 5, not sure how he’d work alongside Doke but that’s why the coaches get paid the big bucks.
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@BeddieKU23 I think if we can get him on campus its a done deal. If only we could have like Ben McLemore there during his visit to show him around.
Cuonzo has that connection with Tilmon because Cuonzo is from East St. Louis too… We need something to really put him over the top and make that connection. Ben had to spend two years here and I’m sure he could be a major influence on JT.
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Yeah it seems that way.
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If anything, this article at least reaffirms where the best home-court advantage is.
Anyways, I personally think Duval is just hoping that Grayson declares for the draft hoping he doesn’t have to play with him. I mean I wouldn’t want to practice with that guy. NBA dreams could end with one “accident.”
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@Kcmatt7 I’m not sure what I think about his quote below.
“I don’t really care who’s there,” Duval said. “I can play with anyone. I’ve played with everyone. As long as everyone plays the game the right way, I’m not worried about playing with anyone.”
Is that arrogance or confidence? I know there is a fine line but it seems a bit odd to me.
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The entire recruiting scene seems to have ADOS. Attention Deficit…Ooh Shiny.
Every time a new recruit signs or even is mentioned Garret gets lost in the news. At least for me, and I’m really looking forward to a long ball handler.
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What if Duval signs, Svi comes back and Jackson tweeks his knee/back and wants to come back? Who gets das boot?
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@joeloveshawks I think it is a perfect quote for someone in his position. Had he said “I don’t care who is already there. I can beat anybody out” then I would worry.
He said “play with anyone”. Great for team cohesiveness.
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@mayjay Good. I’m glad that is how you read it. I think that is the best way to read it. Just needed some reassurance. He would obviously be a great get. It would allow a potential stud to come off the bench.
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@drgnslayr That’s you & I’s new theme " Livin the Dream " lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Hahahaheeeee… thank you… for adding to my dream!
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I think Bill sees the reality. He knows he is one big-time player away from making next year’s team a real threat at a FF.
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@joeloveshawks Na it’s not odd. - -The kid just have confidence in himself -ya he has a little bit of an edge, kind of a little cockiness - -but that’s ok just like Josh now not saying he is any Josh - -different position BUT Josh had that little edge to him - - swagger BUT he could back it up - -Trevon can BACK IT UP - - there is a difference between someone who talks smack and then wet’s all over himself & then a player as we hear not only talks the talk - -BUT walks the walk.
A article that stuck with me with Josh he was playing I believe Peyton’s son I think maybe and Peyton was in the stands and Josh and him was exchanging smack with one another BUT Peyton said he liked that. – WHY? Cause Josh could back his talk up. - - Trevon is the same way - - Lots of people said he NBA ready right now. - -Lot of recruiting analysts have said he is THE ONE PG that could go now if it was possible.
I don’t think in anyway trying to be negative or anything else. He is just oozing confidence - - nothing wrong with that. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@dylans Lawson brother somehow becomes a “self pay.” Not encouraging an alumni to do it. But Idk, if 3 years from now their dad gets his tuition refunded, let’s just say it wouldn’t surprise me.
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Well , I think that just maybe found why Josh hasn’t announced yet. - - -Reason? - -He has been pretty busy. - -Today just came out an hour ago from the LJW - -Josh was in court today as he has been formally charged with Criminal Damage.
He is applying for a diversion , pleaded not guilty through his attorney , Was surpose to surrender himself to the jail by April 14th, where he will have his photographed and finger prints. - - His bond will be set at 500.00 dollars
In the main time while his diversion is being processed he has another Court app , Friday for his charge of Inattentive driving. - -So could be why he hasn’t announced - - He has been to busy with legal. - -Just be glad for josh when he get’s this behind him - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Holy crap, i’ve been staring at your thread title for a week and I just looked up what Crootin meant on urban dictionary. lol. I whiffed on that one!
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I believe the are are many legal way to provide financial assistance other than using a scholarship.
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@approxinfinity said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:
@BShark Holy crap, i’ve been staring at your thread title for a week and I just looked up what Crootin meant on urban dictionary. lol. I whiffed on that one!
Laughing pretty good.
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KU has reached out to MSU decommit Garrison Brooks. Common thought is he will end up at UNC.
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It’s been pretty cool just having guys like Bill Self coming out to my school to meet with me,” Allen said. “All of the coaches are letting me know how much they need me next season and of course that feels good. I’m planning to take a visit to Kansas; I’m not sure when, but that’s the only visit I have planned for now. It’s just part of the game. I was committed, but now I have to figure it out again. I’m not complaining.”
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Another award for juiston
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@BShark - - -I read on the Iowa State board , they were saying he is going to be there this weekend for a visit. - - Where as on your post , he was saying we were the only visit he had planned for now. - -So I’m guessing he must of made that statement before he set his visit with Iowa state right? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
